Rorate Caeli
The Lord is the point of reference.
He is the rising sun of history.


J. Ratzinger
The Spirit of the Liturgy

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

Here is the turning point. We just needed a little implicit encouragement (by means of the Holy Father's own actions)...now we have concrete, easily demonstrable precedent for changing things at the parish level.

caesar said...

Yes, the bases must now act!: "People's Church"

bjr said...

As I looked at the altar arrangement and the 7th candle over the crucifix I saw the shape of a jewish menorah!

Another sign of our religious heritage. This increased my love and respect for Israel and all she has given the world.

God's word in this respect is even more vivid to me now. He said that Israel shall bless the whole world....and she has.

bjr

humboldt said...

Beautiful Mass. All masses should be like this. The only thing left to do is to get rid of communion in the hands.

Anonymous said...

Where can we find more pictures of this mass?

Anonymous said...

Since one contributor mentioned which should be discarded of the Vatican II reforms since the historic day today when Pope Benedict celebrated Mass "ad orientam" again, I have a list of what can be discarded from the Vatican II debacle:
1). Eucharistic ministers (laypeople)
2). Altar Girls (a big priority to supress).
3). Offertory Procession (of Gifts)
4). Communion in the Hand
5). Communion from the "Common Cup/Chalice". An ancient custom of the Church but since it was re-introduced by Protestant Lutherans in the 16th century after over 300 years of disuse, it's inappropriate in a Catholic Church.
Unsanitary beyond belief.
6). Standing for Communion
7). "versus populum" altar (facing the people)
8). the inserted "for the Kingdom, the power and the Glory...." at the end of the Lord's Prayer. It's entirely of the Protestant tradition.
9). All Eucharistic prayers except for the Roman Canon (i.e. the Eucharistic Prayer/Canon used before Vatican II).

Today was a historic day for the Church. By celebrating Mass "ad orientam", the Pope gave a message to the whole Church that it is totally permissable to do so!
Also, by failing to set up the platform and the horrible "Protestant" style portable altar in the Sistine on the grounds that it detracts from the beauty of the setting, it thus can be convicingly argued that all the horrible little Protestant style portable Vatican II altars set up in front of the magnificent great high altars in European cathedrals likewise distract from the beauty of the Church and should be removed (trashed).
If a movement starts to remove them it would be wonderful.

ken88 said...

I've got a bunch of pictures up:
http://hallowedground.wordpress.com

Gazeta da Restauração said...

Pope's daily private Mass video, "versus Deum":

http://gazetadarestauracao.blogspot.com/2008/01/missa-privada-do-papa.html

bedwere said...

It's "ad orientEm", not orientAm

Pablo said...

Dear Anonymous,

5). Communion from the "Common Cup/Chalice". An ancient custom of the Church but since it was re-introduced by Protestant Lutherans in the 16th century after over 300 years of disuse, it's inappropriate in a Catholic Church.
Unsanitary beyond belief.

Are you Catholic at all? diseases and illness come from Original Sin; there can come nothing unsanitary from God.Where is your head thinking Communicants would defile that which the Alter Christus has made Holy. It is this kind of holy roller thinking during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that brings curses upon us. Yes I said curses. You are cursing your Parish with that wicked thinking. Who and what else have you been cursing during the Mass? Are you always scandalized, too? I thought so. Straighten up.
The pope can only do so much; we have to step up to the plate and have some Charity.

Anonymous said...

"it thus can be convicingly argued that all the horrible little Protestant style portable Vatican II altars set up in front of the magnificent great high altars in European cathedrals likewise distract from the beauty of the Church and should be removed (trashed)."

Unfortunately, the same "fittingness" argument will be used to avoid the use of ad orientem (AO) in churches built presuming versus populum. For those of us without easy access to older cathedrals, this rationale will likely make it more difficult to obtain ad orientem NO masses from priests who would be looking for any excuse to avoid it. E.g. "see, Rome says the orientation of the priest should fit the space; our space wasn't designed for AO so , really, AO would be a violence to the liturgical space you see ... "

In my view, the only real hope would be a legislative mandate from Rome stipulating ad orientem within the NO of the Latin Rite (necessary physical changes to be carried out within some reasonable time).

Berolinensis said...

The homily is also - as always - very worth listening to:

"Unfortunately, man is capable of extinguishing this new life [of grace] with his sin, reducing himself to a situation which Sacred Scripture calls "second death". While with the other creatures, which are not called to eternity [!], death simply signifies the end of existence on earth, with us sin creates an abyss which threatens to devour us for ever, if the Father who is in the heavens doesn't extend his hand to us."

"That is why Christian parents, like you today, bring as soon as possible [!] their children to the baptismal font, knowing that life, which they have communicated to them, calls for a fullness, s salvation which only God can give. And in this way the parents become collaborators of God in transmitting to their children not only physical, but also spiritual life."

Anonymous said...

Pablo: Please review the meaning of transsubstantiation. Of course, one can catch disease from the shared cup. The wine turned into the body & blood of Christ still retains the accidents of wine so it can still carry disease as can any liquid. This is why mustum is allowed for alcoholic priests. http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFMUSTM.HTM

Anonymous said...

Since one contributor mentioned which should be discarded of the Vatican II reforms since the historic day today when Pope Benedict celebrated Mass "ad orientam" again, I have a list of what can be discarded from the Vatican II debacle:
1). Eucharistic ministers (laypeople)
2). Altar Girls (a big priority to supress).
3). Offertory Procession (of Gifts)
4). Communion in the Hand
5). Communion from the "Common Cup/Chalice". An ancient custom of the Church but since it was re-introduced by Protestant Lutherans in the 16th century after over 300 years of disuse, it's inappropriate in a Catholic Church.
Unsanitary beyond belief.
6). Standing for Communion
7). "versus populum" altar (facing the people)
8). the inserted "for the Kingdom, the power and the Glory...." at the end of the Lord's Prayer. It's entirely of the Protestant tradition.
9). All Eucharistic prayers except for the Roman Canon (i.e. the Eucharistic Prayer/Canon used before Vatican II).

Today was a historic day for the Church. By celebrating Mass "ad orientam", the Pope gave a message to the whole Church that it is totally permissable to do so!
Also, by failing to set up the platform and the horrible "Protestant" style portable altar in the Sistine on the grounds that it detracts from the beauty of the setting, it thus can be convicingly argued that all the horrible little Protestant style portable Vatican II altars set up in front of the magnificent great high altars in European cathedrals likewise distract from the beauty of the Church and should be removed (trashed).
If a movement starts to remove them it would be wonderful.

Hmmmm...
Must say I found no.2 and 3 a bit puzzling since the Offeratory Procession exists in both the pre-reformed and reformed Ambrosian Rite of Mass, also "for thine is the kingdom the power and the glory" is not a protestant invention-it has existed in the Eastern Liturgy since time immemorial and is recited by the priest in answer to the peoples recital of the Pater Noster. It strikes me that alot of people on this site abhor history.

Ad Orientem said...

Re Anonymous #3

You wrote...
"8). the inserted "for the Kingdom, the power and the Glory...." at the end of the Lord's Prayer. It's entirely of the Protestant tradition."

We Orthodox have always used that and I have heard it used in Byzantine Rite parishes as well.

ICXC
John

BigDon said...

What a touchy bunch you all are!

Anonymous said...

your 9 points are wonderful and the 10th one to restore the calendar- with the real seasons -ordinary time- there is no such thing. only in the mind of elite who think they are the smart ones in the room and to talk down to us common folk.

Anonymous said...

JMJ

As a student of liturgical history and theology, I take offense at some of the suggestions here. Giving the chalice to the laity, bay co-mingling of the Species or otherwise, is the universal practice in all of the Eastern and Oriental Churches. To say it is unsanitary reminds me of something I heard a United Methodist once say. A student of the reform of the prayers and rubrics in the Pauline Sacramentary will find the liturgical influences not from Protestantism, but rather from Oriental Catholicism. For example in the Malankara Church they do the peace similar to the use in the ordinary form of the Latin Church. There are many things in the Pauline forms that were not adequately explained to the faithful at their implementation. Standing during the Canon and not kneeling on Sunday is a part of the Rudder or ancient canons for Sunday's outside of the season of Great and Holy Lent. Some of the more radical forms of lay participation, like lay distribution of the Holy Gifts, is not appropriate. But there are many things that the reforms exposed us to that are of good use. Giving both kinds in a extraordinary use liturgy would enrich it, also lay readers should be retained for the epistle as in the Eastern Churches to show a fuller sign of unity. There are many things that the usus antiquor should accept from the Pauline use which are beneficial as well. Both liturgical expressions are LIVING part of the Life of the Holy Spirit, which is Tradition.

In Christ,


Robby

Joe of St. Thérèse said...

Things that need to go.
1. EOMHC's
2. Communion under both kinds with the Chalice. (While this is true that the East does both kinds, they administer it with the spoon with the bread and wine intermingled together, they do not seperate them, if we are going to do Both Kinds, then we should do it like our Eastern brothers and sisters, not the protestant way)
3. Versus Populum. (It's not Ad Entertaner)
4. Liturgical Abuses

Joe B said...

See how hard it is going to be to legislate back to a Catholic, reverent mass? It will never happen.

This is why modernism is so insidious. Everybody thinks they have a good idea, but none of them are better than what we had before.

Don't try to tell me the Novus Ordo and the TLM are the same rite. The Novus Ordo is the product of the smoke of Satan. Why can't we just get rid of the Novus Ordo - the poster child of modernism?

gedsmk said...

Doesn't the candle perched on top of the crucifix look a bit, well, silly? Would not Marini's normal method of one side of the crucifix have been more reverent? It appears to turn the crucifix into a sort of candle holder.

Anonymous said...

The Pope as Supreme Legislator decreed the Johannine and Pauline usages are the same Rite for the Latin Church--that settles it.

The Smoke of Satan is the false renewal by maverick priests and theologians not the authentic renewal of Vatican II. Pope Paul VI was not referring to the New Rites in his statement--it was rather the belief among people at that time who asserted that Vatican II started a New Church--that was the Smoke of Satan, the false Spirit.

Giving the chalice to lay people in the usus antiquor can be done in the Anglican Use manner with a reverent disposition as long as it is done by a priest or deacon and not lay people. However, I believe B16 wants to preserve the integrity of each usage, which would mean no communion in both Species. However, what would be ideal is to eliminate low masses and make the Missae Solemnis the norm in all parishes thereby elimnating the "low church" mentality of American traditionalists. American Catholism even before the Council was "low church." The genuine restoration of Vatican II is the sung High Mass with choir and people participating using Gregorian Chant along with daily use of the Divine Office by laity and clergy in the context of a liturgical service. To have a High Mass daily is also the ideal--this would mean we would need dedicated and educated priests who would foster this. This high ideal is a long way in the making, but we have a Pope who is leading us there. Deo Gratias!

In Christ,


Robert

john said...

I am glad and I am sad. Benedict XVI teaches but his teachings are silently rejected. Soon, he will be portrayed by his and the Churche's enemies as an inconsequential old man at odds with the greater part of the bishops and the lukewarm post V-2 Church.

On a number of occasions in the past, the Pope has said that the Church will be much smaller in the future. He was/is right in that the number of faithful who pay attention to what he teaches is already very small.

Furthermore, his successor can wipe away all his good attempts at reform. We must pray and hope.

I hope the coming document on his Motu Proprio might further strengthen tradition. We should also hear supporting words from Bishops and Cardinals a la AB Ranjith and Cardinal Bertone. Alas, the overwheming majority of bishops and cardinals are silent. What a sad spectacle!

roydosan said...

Now you won't hear this very often... In Today's (Monday) Guardian Newspaper (UK) there is a splendid double page colour photograph of Pope Benedict celebrating Mass ad orientem in the Sistine Chapel.

Henry said...

Pablo: Are you Catholic at all? ..... You are cursing your Parish with that wicked thinking. Who and what else have you been cursing during the Mass? .....

ROFLOL. Those folks taking you seriously just don't appreciate a fine wit when they see one.

Anonymous #3: Might you add, to your list of deletions from the Novus Ordo, the obligatory homily irrespective of whether the celebrant has anything to say that's worth saying. How many Novus Ordo sermons have you heard recently that added to rather than detracted from the Holy Sacrifice?

hopingforheaven said...

"Giving the chalice to the laity, bay co-mingling of the Species or otherwise, is the universal practice in all of the Eastern and Oriental Churches."

For Robby: They generally use intinction where the Priest or Deacon takes the Sacred Bread--which may be in little cubes and they are immersed into the Precious Blood and spooned into the mouth of the communicant.

It is not a 'pass the chalice' kind of a thing with hundreds of folks drinking from a common cup.

Having said that, I was a 'Eucharistic Minister' for years and we were then instructed to finish the Precious Blood left in our cups and so we drank after everyone else. I never got sick in over 20 years.

dcs said...

The seventh candle isn't on top of the cross but behind it. You can see that it is slightly off-center. Trust the Pope and his MCs to know better than that!

Adam Barnette said...

"The genuine restoration of Vatican II is the sung High Mass with choir and people participating using Gregorian Chant along with daily use of the Divine Office by laity and clergy in the context of a liturgical service."

Thank you, Robert. Your comment is very correct. Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich says that one day the faithful will learn to appreciate the Holy Mass and Divine Office as they should. May the Lord hasten the day!

Joe B said...

The Pope decreed that the Muslims pray to the same God we do, too.

Wrong. That doesn't settle it.

Quo Primum says you can't just play cut and paste with the TLM like that. Too much change makes a new mass, and 40 years of fruit says it's rotten.

I didn't say the Novus Ordo was the smoke of Satan. I said it was insidious and it is the poster child of modernism, which it is. It is the public display of the results of the modernist process of cutting and pasting someone's "good" ideas together to create a mass in THEIR OWN image, not Christ's sacrifice. If it were the same rite (mere additions to the old form), it would surely be the crown of thorns added on to Our Lord's head.

The authentic renewal called for by Vatican II took place in the TLM communities, which have come to know and revere the Mass with excellent fervor. Those mavericks you mentioned made the Novus Ordo. As for Pope Paul VI referring to the smoke of Satan as those who think Vatican II means a new church, that's nothing but clever spin. It doesn't address the beam of modernism in the Vatican eye.

You Anglicans have some work left to do. You're unwilling to reject your ties to Cromwell, aren't you? You just have to retain your Cromwellian forms.siblhyq

Ad Orientem said...

Joe B,
Cromwell is anathema to Anglicans. I am somewhat surprised that you would mention him. He violently persecuted the CofE and of course created the only martyr commemorated by Anglicans in their liturgy (Charles I).

Yes they are heretics. But they have no attachment to Oliver Cromwell.

alsaticus said...

Eastern rites are ok, legitimate, blessed and all. Nobody says the contrary.
But here it was debated the ROMAN rite, Rome never belonged to any Eastern Church as far as I know.
So please can our erudites learn to recognize their left hand from their right hand, East and West ...

One of the most wicked argument of the nasty litniks was, exactly, to pick up things in various liturgical traditions, plus a good deal of innovations and to mix all this up into the revolting mess we are forced to witness in our Sunday parish church.

In the West, within the Latin Church, adding the formula "for thine etc" is undoubtedly a Protestant mark. It is not a crime per se against the faith. It is just a way to add confusion nothing else.
Besides according to the Pauline missal, it has to be separated clearly from the Pater Noster.

Let us pray for the Latin rites, especially the Roman rite, to recover their own tradition following what Vatican II was prescribing : "organic growth". Picking up bits and pieces everywhere cannot be called "organic growth".
This is valid for the Eastern rites that have been harmed by an excessive novusordoization by the way.

Joe said...

I'm talking about the church-approved Anglican rite for converted Anglican congregations. Isn't that form basically Anglican in form and wording, with minimal modifications to make it theologically Catholic? That's clinging to Anglicanism with all it's culture and history, which is bad. My point is that Anglicans with that baggage shouldn't be offering Latin rite suggestions. And no mixing of the rites anyway. If you don't reject the errors which caused the existence of that mass, you don't convert from Anglicanism.

Mass tinkering - what an exercise in futility. Changes should only be considered for opposing heresies or encoding changes of continuous antiquity. Goodbye Novus Ordo, which had no mandate. If all Vatican II called for was a renewal of spirit, which the TLM communities have clearly gone through, then there was no justification for the slew of new rubrics amounting to a new mass - oh, excuse me - a new form for the old form. Isn't that like putting old wine in new bottles? Where have I heard that before ...

Anonymous said...

JMJ

The liturgical restoration of Vatican II has only occured in very few communities. There are only a handful of oratories that do the full renewal. The traditionalist communities stayed pretty much low mass and minimalist pre-conciliar. And most parish communties did liturgy American style with no community Liturgy of the Hours--and especially no Gregorian Chant. The full restoration is as I mentioned earlier: where the people chant along with the schola in the context of a High Mass--with communal parish chanting of the Divine Office daily with Solemn Vespers on Saturday and Matins before Mass on Sunday.

The revised Ordo has many rich elements from the Oriental Catholic rites. The handshake of peace: Malankara Catholic. The Memorial Acclamation is Ethiopian Catholic, the procession of the gifts is both Eastern, Oriental, and Ambrosian, communion in the hand comes not only from the Early Church, minus the holy cloth placed over the hand, but also comes from the way the Eastern clergy receive in the Altar, standing for communion is Eastern and Oriental, the doxology after the Pater Noster comes from the Eastern Churches and the Jerusalem text (Textus Receptus) of the New Testament, female altar servers are derived from subdeaconesses and deaconnesses in the Early Church, free standing Altar is very early Latin and Eastern, however facing the people is a Protestantization unless of course you are in Saint Peter's during an ad orientem Mass on the side where the priest is facing East, Liturgical dancing comes from the Coptic Orthodox tradition, not in the American style of course, the presider's chair in the syle of the ancient presbyterium should be behind the Altar, and the tabernacle can be either on the Altar or in another place as is the practice of the early Medieval Church and the Eastern Churches. So you see the so-called Protestantizations for the most part are derived from Eastern Churches and early Latin basilica worship.

Vatican II was supposed to bring unity with the Eastern and Oriental Churches--that was the hope of the New Liturgy--however, the common folk and most modern theologians were concerned about the modern age and Protestant reconcilation than unity with the East--that is how it turned out, unfortunately. But, again with a Pontiff like Benedict we may see visible unity with the Eastern Churches not in communion with Rome.

Anonymous said...

"The revised Ordo has many rich elements from the Oriental Catholic rites. The handshake of peace: Malankara Catholic. The Memorial Acclamation is Ethiopian Catholic, the procession of the gifts is both Eastern, Oriental, and Ambrosian, communion in the hand comes not only from the Early Church, minus the holy cloth placed over the hand, but also comes from the way the Eastern clergy receive in the Altar, standing for communion is Eastern and Oriental, the doxology after the Pater Noster comes from the Eastern Churches and the Jerusalem text (Textus Receptus) of the New Testament, female altar servers are derived from subdeaconesses and deaconnesses in the Early Church, free standing Altar is very early Latin and Eastern, however facing the people is a Protestantization unless of course you are in Saint Peter's during an ad orientem Mass on the side where the priest is facing East, Liturgical dancing comes from the Coptic Orthodox tradition, not in the American style of course, the presider's chair in the syle of the ancient presbyterium should be behind the Altar, and the tabernacle can be either on the Altar or in another place as is the practice of the early Medieval Church and the Eastern Churches. So you see the so-called Protestantizations for the most part are derived from Eastern Churches and early Latin basilica worship."

What a hodgepodge ersatz fabrication this "new and improved" liturgy seems to be, as if the Roman liturgy as it had developed and stood at the time of the Council was an embarrasmment, a poor thing not worthy of being stood next to the Eastern liturgies!

It may be that those various elements catalogued above are contained, in some form or other, in various other liturgies. What is certain, is that the out-of-context cutting and pasting of them into a bastard rite calling itself the Roman Liturgy is NOT traditional. To speak in merely human terms: this illegitimate child of archelogistic body and Protestant soul has not nourished the faithful. It has denuded them of their reverence for the Divine Majesty and stripped them of their belief in and respect for the Real Presence. Defend it how you will, it has been a failure from the beginning, both in its theory, and in its implementation. The Church does not "make" a liturgy, even from antique parts. She has grown one, under the inspiration of God, or rather, God has grown one through the agency of men. A gardener is not one who puts napalm on his beds and starts again with hybrid plants. Not a real gardener, anyway.

by "unsquared circle"

alsaticus said...

for anonymous and his (her) potluck "liturgy", the most unsavvy mish-mash I've ever heard about.
1. Vatican II is explicitely rejecting what our mish-mash anonymous is saying. The Council is UNDERLINING the need to RESPECT every legitimate rite WITHOUT any mixing up, latinization or else.
Once again Vatican II is overtly contradicted by those who pretend to be "conciliar" Catholic. Same old, same old.
2. Once again the litniks and thei disciples deliberately ignore the "organic growth" rule edicted by Vatican II Sacrosanctum concilium.
3. Nothing could be more horrible for any Eastern Christian that to have a unique form of liturgy.
As Patriarch Alexis II recently recalled , attachment to the Divine Liturgy was at the core of the heroic resistance of Orthodoxs during the tragic communist persecution.
4. Moreover the Conciliar constitution is explicitely aimed at the Roman rite, not the Eastern Catholic rites.

The "dream" of a unique rite without rubrics, the Bugninist rite, is nothing but a nightmare, the nightmare which destroying the Church today. As far as I know, I guess pope Benedict XVI is not heading toward that nightmare : on the contrary. I pray for him to live long enough, especially with the snail pace he has adopted to bring back the liturgical sound doctrine.
No more potluck.

Anonymous said...

JMJ

What utter non-sense. The usage of Pope Paul VI is equal to the usage of Pope John XXIII. That is because the Pope is PETER, who received the fulness of juridical Authority from Jesus Christ through His confession of Faith. That means that any Catholic who questions the Authority of Pope Paul VI is a schismatic in consciousness. I am so tired of the canonical speculations of tablet theologians, who site on the one hand the fulness of Roman Dogma and dare to judge the Pope of Rome with the same "authority" as Fr. Martin Luther--the so-called "authority of conscience." It is so very easy to blame the Pontiff for all the abherrations of liturgical praxis and philosophy, but it is blasphemous to declare with the simple authority of a baptized layman His Holiness' potestas null and void. Again, I utter with full awareness of this modernist argument: non-sense, Anathema sit! To Question Peter is to call into speculation Tradition: the Pope IS Tradition.

In Iesu et Maria,


Robert

Anonymous said...

JMJ

As far as the ameuterist Byzantine/Roman/Orthodox soapbox theologians are concerned: Alexei II is a communist and does not represent the Eastern Church in a authentic and Grace-filled way. The Russian Orthodox killed millions of Greek Catholics. The Eastern rites have enriched the usage of Pope Paul VI to no injury--and have enhanced it to become what the Roman Rite was intended to be: a Universal Rite for all Christians. This may sound arrogant to Eastern Christians, but Rome is the seat of all unity and theo-political correctness aside: the Roman Rite is the primatial Rite of the WESTERN partiarchate. The Eastern Rites, were a method whereby the Roman See could bring the Orthodox into subjection to the Ancient Apostolic Seat of Peter--the Head of the Church. This nonsense of seperate ritual Churches is semantical. There is ONE holy and Apostolic Roman Church and the rites used are celebrated with permission from the Pontiff of Rome and not from a ontological right of historical precedence. This is like the hard sayings of Christ: few hear it, most repudiate it and all are pained to hear it. If the gate was not thinner than the eye of a needle Our Lord would of declared otherwise. It is well to think on these things. Amen.

raphaela said...

'The Reform of the Roman Rite" by Mons Klaus Gamber is essential reading. Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the preface to the French edition. It is fascinating to follow the Pope putting into action what this holy liturgist had the courage to put in print.e.g. changing the words of the consecration back to what they should be, the priest celebrating the Mass facing with the people towards the Lord and the Traditional Rite back in use.