Is the Fanon next?
Not before he sets aside that pallium. Look at how out of place it looks on such a fine and decorated chasuble. Doesn't pass the aesthetic test at all.
That pallium is wonderful. It is very much in line with what was worn by western bishops during the age of the undivided Church. I am quite certain that is why he chose it.
This will help explain where it came from:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0603590.htm
That pallium is horrible and the fact that it was worn in the early church does not take away from the fact that it is wildly unsuitable with those vestments.Alan Robinson
Lovely Roman vestment = wonderfulPallium utterly out of scale and style with same = regrettableModernist reaction = priceless!
Ad Orientem,This design was pretty much abandoned several centuries before the Great Schism. Besides, it differs significantly from even the earliest palliums. I've seen medieval Russian icons that shows the Eastern Father's wearing palliums much closer in design to the traditional pallium than this one.
O Lord and Master of my life, take from me the spirit of sloth, despair, lust of power, and idle talk. But give rather the spirit of chastity, humility, patience, and love to Thy servant. Yea, O Lord and King, grant me to see my own transgressions, and not to judge my brother, for blessed art Thou, unto ages of ages. Amen
Aesthetically I think the pallium suits the traditional mitre - I like it a lot more than the awful skinny thing the liberal Popes prior to Benedict XVI wore!
the "liberal" JP2 already restored the fanon, much to the chagrin of the many displaced anonymous posters...http://www.wdtprs.com/images/JTZ/fanon1.jpg
Nice, but vestments do not say anything about the content of the Roman Catholic Faith. Gothic chasubles are fine too. On the other hand, this same pontiff is now pontificating where the Archlayman of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, last year also celebrated a "Eucharist" on the very same altar (invalid "eucharist" of course), assisted by a modernist Catholic priest singing the gospel in English as a deacon. With the archLayman sitting on the very ancient throne of this holy basilica of Santa Sabina. No condemnation or reprimands by the pope, nothing. All for ecumenism. Vestments do not tell me anything. Paul VI wore the same too.
He needs a better mitre.Or a tiara.
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Benedictine Pallium. I questioned it until seeing them all over the mosaics in the sanctuary of the GLORIOUS St. Louis Cathedral Basilica, in St. Louis, MO. last summer, when I attended the ICKSP ordinations. It was as is St. Athanasius & Co. were putting their seal of approval on it. I was converted on the spot! I think it suits our contemporary Athanasius.
I think the most significant aspect of this whole affair is the use of the Assisting Cardinal Deacons. Also, it seems that no one concelebrated the Mass.
Hebdomadary,Wearing vestments because they appear on very old mosaics is the definition of archaeologism. I think that style of chasuble is quite nice myself, but believe that it's resurrection is based on unsound principles. The Pope, if he wanted, could choose to adopt any number of primitive vestments. He could resurrect the cope with an actual hood, use only conicle chasubles, and bring back a maniple that looked like a napkin, but none of those decisions would be appropriate. The same goes for the maniple. I encourage you to read the CNS article on its introduction under Marini I. This is really about recreating the liturgy of the early church.
the second maniple above should be pallium
The pallium that Benedict wears is not really ancient. Rather, it is anachronistic. The pins placed through the crosses were actually meant to hold the pallium together during its later medieval designs. They are totally unnecessary and anachronistic for the style he is wearing now, which is the older style.All told, the Benedictine pallium is a hodgepodge of new and old, all the while creating something completely new and foreign to any century or time.I'm also pretty sure that Marini I, not Benedict, designed this pallium.-Garrett
Stanislas Wojtiech said... Nice, but vestments do not say anything about the content of the Roman Catholic Faith. Gothic chasubles are fine too. On the other hand, this same pontiff is now pontificating where the Archlayman of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, last year also celebrated a "Eucharist" on the very same altar (invalid "eucharist" of course), assisted by a modernist Catholic priest singing the gospel in English as a deacon. With the archLayman sitting on the very ancient throne of this holy basilica of Santa Sabina. No condemnation or reprimands by the pope, nothing. All for ecumenism. Vestments do not tell me anything. Paul VI wore the same too."Welcome, Stanislas. I have enjoyed all your postings and have agreed entirely. I like the baroque vestments, especially when used in baroque settings; it just makes visual sense. But you are absolutely right that the mere use of pretty externals does not guarantee nor substitute for orthodoxy. An ecumaniac unversalist sitting on the sedia with the flabelli and wearing Pius XII's coronation vestments would still be...an ecumaniac universalist. Give me Pius V in sackcloth and ashes over the one I just described.
I saw the whole thing on RAI, and the vestments were Gothic.You are seeing things, New Catholic!
How annoying you are, Anon! It is a ROMAN chasuble, of the wide style worn and proposed by Saint Charles Borromeo, a Borromeo-style chasuble or, as Italians call it, "pianeta Borromea".Now, please stop posting this.
It was Marini 1 who designed the new Papal pallium.Benedict XVI wanted to restore the fanon for his "enthronement" as Pope in April, 2005. Marini objected to it as pre-Vatican II.So me came up with this pallium. Which actually is not a new creation, but rather the same type pallium Popes wore up until the 8th or 9th centuries.Still, it's too big and cumbersome for Roman style vestments.I am thrilled that Pope Benedict XVI both wore the mitre and violet cope while processing down from San Anselmo to Santa Sabina on Ash Wednesday (doing so made the event much more regal and Papal), and I am thrilled he wore Roman style vestments at Santa Sabina. I bet the liberal Dominicans there were ready to hurl.I hope the Pope wears Roman vestments for Easter Sunday in Piazza San Pietro, beautiful gold vestments and jeweled mitre. Maybe even the fanon.Hopefully the altar will be arranged with the seven candlesticks etc. Papal throne and canopy too! : )Too much I guess to see the flabella back as ornamentation at the throne.
Does anyone know why the Pope arrived at San Anselmo wearing his summer mozzeta (the one without ermine trimming)? Is it because it was a penitential day? I remember him wearing the winter one during the procession itself in past years. Maybe it was just in the laundry. :)
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