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Prefect of CDW celebrates Traditional Pontifical Mass in Rome (Lateran)


As we had first mentioned in February, the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, Cardinal Cañizares Llovera, celebrated a Mass in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite earlier today, anniversary of the City of Rome, in its Cathedral (Basilica of Most Holy Savior, or of Saints John the Baptist and John the Evangelist in the Lateran).

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow! Monsignor Wilhelm Imkamp has been appointed a consultor in the Congregation for Divine Worship! He is a great devotee of the traditional Mass.

Paul Haley said...

May Almighty God be appeased that the Holy Sacrifice is once again being celebrated on the sacred altars of His Holy Church by the highest authorities in His Church. May the Cardinal Prefect be richly rewarded for this initiative.

Jordanes said...

“Once again”? So other Catholic rites and uses are not the Holy Sacrifice, but are invalid attempts to offer the Eucharist?

Paul Haley said...

Jordanes,

I didn't mean to imply anything other than this Holy Sacrifice is what I am giving thanks for. If you want to give thanks for the communal meal celebrated by the president of the assembly with emphasis on the cult of man with all of the attendant abuses that have been documented time and time again, that's up to you. I never said anything about the validity of the ordinary form and I think you know me from my posts better than to imply such a thing.

As an aside, it almost brings tears to my eyes to see this happening in Rome during these times. Having been brought up in the Faith in the 40s and 50s, the institution of the new mass in substitution of this venerable mass nearly caused me to lose the Faith. Oh, that the authorities in Rome could have realized what they were doing to the faith of millions when they instituted the ordinary in place of the extraordinary.

Now, to see a rebirth of the Mass of All Times, the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven, well, it’s just almost overwhelming. Thank you, Jesus, and Blessed Mother for answering our prayers. Viva il Papa!

Jordanes said...

Thanks Paul. The way you worded your previous comment made me raise an eyebrow. I'm grateful for your clarification. My point obviously was not "to give thanks for the communal meal celebrated by the president of the assembly with emphasis on the cult of man with all of the attendant abuses that have been documented time and time again" (only the theologically and liturgical insane could give thanks for that), but to find out if you were in effect suggesting that any Catholic rite or use that is not the traditional Roman rite does not represent the Holy Sacrifice. I'm glad that's not what you meant to say, but I do wish people would avoid inaccurate hyperbole such as "the Mass of All Times, the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven." ***

Oh, that the authorities in Rome could have realized what they were doing to the faith of millions when they instituted the ordinary in place of the extraordinary.*** I strongly suspect that some of them knew exactly what they were doing. But whether they did or didn't know, God have mercy on them for their disfigurement of the Roman Rite.

Petey said...

They should not be using the papal altar but a portable one set up in front of it! Modernists.

Anonymous said...

Jordanes said, "I do wish people would avoid inaccurate hyperbole such as "the Mass of All Times, the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven." ***"

I wish people would continue to use that particular hyperbole. It may not be 100% accurate but it does bring ones attention to the TLM square on. Indeed the traditional rite is beautiful with a rich history.

Anon anon

Paul Haley said...

Not to belabor the point but I doubt very much that people would avoid inaccurate hyperbole such as "the Mass of All Times, the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven." Here is what one TLM advocate said recently:"The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven - with those words, Fr. Frederick Faber described the Tridentine Latin Mass. Today I received in the mail a package from the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei. Inside was a DVD I ordered entitled "The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven". It is an instructional video on how to say the Tridentine Low Mass. A High Mass filmed on Easter in Chicago during the 1940's with Fulton J. Sheen narrating is also included on the DVD".

Point being that if the PCED calls it such and it has the approbation of Bishop Sheen as narrator, I think those words are solidified in history.

Jordanes said...

Any Mass or Divine Liturgy well and piously celebrated is “the most beautiful thing this side of heaven.”

Anonymous said...

Jordanes said, "Any Mass or Divine Liturgy well and piously celebrated is “the most beautiful thing this side of heaven.”"

Not really, this is only if you think the NO is good and pleasing to God.

As I recall this was debated before on this site and the NO lost the vote.

anon anon

Paul Haley said...

I need to correct my previous post that it was the Coalition in Suppport of Ecclesia Dei that produced the DVD entitled: The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven and not the PCED itself. Mea culpa and with a nod to Jordanes: I'm sure there are many who view the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom or the Dominican Liturgy in much the same revered fashion as we view the TLM. But, the title of this thread is the TLM if I'm not mistaken, so that it what i am referring to.

Jordanes said...

Not really, this is only if you think the NO is good and pleasing to God.On the contrary, beauty does not exist only in subjective imagination. A person thinking that something good and pleasing to God is not good and pleasing to God does not make that thing lose its objective beauty (although such erroneous thinking is capable of making the person lose his own objective beauty). The reformed Roman Missal, despite being objectively inferior to the traditional rite in numerous ways, is inarguably good and pleasing to God.

As I recall this was debated before on this site and the NO lost the vote.As someone once said, truth is not determined by a majority vote. It is impossible for the liturgical rite of the head of all the churches to be inherently or essentially bad or displeasing to God.

Jordanes said...

Thanks again, Paul. It is unquestionably good news that the new prefect of the CDW has pontificated at St. John Lateran.

Hopefully we won't have too much longer to wait before the Holy Father does the same.

Anonymous said...

I'm with Anon Anon: I hope that people will ACCELERATE their use of Fr. Faber's description of the Tridentine Mass. I think if we're taking time to fret about whether that is "hyperbole" (or how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin) then we must be nearly out of real things to worry about. And I've seen scarce indication that we've truly arrived at that happy state yet.

RCW

Jordanes said...

I would like the traditional Latin Mass advertised and advocated more and more -- so long as it's not false advertising.

Anonymous said...

Jordannes,

You sound like someone with an axe to grind!

Just what is your gripe against the TLM movement?

You actually believe that the NO has many objectionable things, but that it is at the same time pleasing and acceptable to God?

That is called the double-truth, double-minded thinking process, which charaterizes masons and modernists....

Catholics don't think like that, unless they mean to say that their criteria for acceptability and God's criteria are different.

I am a catholic and I want to have the same criteria as He does. Therefore when I say that the NO is not acceptable to God, it is because of the many objective defects and problems and errors contained in it. Ofcourse, wherever the HSoC is offered validly, even in the NO, that sacrifice is acceptable to the Father, but that is not the NO, which is a man written liturgy.

So we need to make distinctions before accusing others of false advertising.

You are so quick to defend a german Bishop's heretical statements, saying we ought not judge him, but you are strangle just as quick to judge traditionalists praising the TLM or criticizing the NO.

Again, there is that double mindedness showing itself...

Please for the public record, are you are Roman Catholic, who accepts all the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church?

For the record I am....

Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Jordanes said...

Just what is your gripe against the TLM movement?That sounds like a “Have you stopped beating your wife” sort of question. Your comments seem very judgmental.

You actually believe that the NO has many objectionable things, but that it is at the same time pleasing and acceptable to God?I certainly do not believe that the reformed Roman Missal has “many objectionable things.” I said “objectively inferior,” not “objectionable things.” It is possible for something to be pleasing and acceptable to God, and yet for something else to be even more pleasing and acceptable to Him.

That is called the double-truth, double-minded thinking process, which charaterizes masons and modernists....Don’t worry, I’m not a Modernist, nor am I a part of any Masonic conspiracy.

I am a catholic and I want to have the same criteria as He does. Therefore when I say that the NO is not acceptable to God, it is because of the many objective defects and problems and errors contained in it.Errors?

Of course, wherever the HSoC is offered validly, even in the NO, that sacrifice is acceptable to the Father, but that is not the NO, which is a man written liturgy.The Gregorian Rite, though much older and not generated by a committee of liturgical scholars, is also in origin “a man-written liturgy.” It obviously was not the liturgical order of the Last Supper or of the Apostles. That said, it is valid to distinguish between the Sacrifice offered and the liturgy through which the Sacrifice is offered. Liturgical forms vary in quality and beauty, and the traditional Roman Rite is unquestionably of a higher quality and more beautiful than the reformed rite. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Roman Church’s liturgy is not good or pleasing to God.

So we need to make distinctions before accusing others of false advertising.I’ve only said that “most beautiful thing this side of heaven” and “Mass of All Times” are inaccurate, are hyperbole, and I suspect they do more harm than good.

You are so quick to defend a german Bishop's heretical statements, saying we ought not judge himI have not defended his statements, which sound heretical if they aren’t actually so. Rather, I have sought to find out what he really said and what he really meant before reaching any conclusions. Just because I believe the verdict should not precede the trial doesn’t mean I am defending his statements. And yes, we ought not judge him – the competent authorities, however, should look into this matter and instruct him to clarify what he has said or else issue a clear and formal retraction. As a bishop his duty is to teach the faith, but even after construing his comments as charitably as possible and giving him the benefit of the doubt, in the end his comments are confusing and omit crucial aspects of Catholic teaching, and thus have given scandal.

but you are strangle just as quick to judge traditionalists praising the TLM or criticizing the NO.I have to wonder if you’ve read or understood what I’ve said.

Please for the public record, are you are Roman Catholic, who accepts all the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church?By God’s mercy and grace, I am.