Rorate Caeli

Oremus

For the doctrinal talks between the representatives of the Holy See and those of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX). The first day of the discussions is this Monday.


16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oremus!

Anonymous said...

Ive been praying a novena to Pope St Pius the 10th for their success

Thomas W. said...

Oremus.

According to Bp Fellay, the Vatican states that the dialogue will last "a year, at least": http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1189902

boner said...

Interesting ecumenical dialogue.

Anonymous said...

Let us pray that the Pope and the Vatican is attentive and supportive of the positions of the SSPX, and that the heart of the Vatican is opened to these good bishops and the holy work them have accomplished under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to save the Church, and the guidance of the late holy Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

O Lord, open the heart of the Pope and Vatican to Catholic tradition and Truth.
Holy Mother of the Church, guide these negotiations and interceed for them.
Dear Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, pray for all involved with these discussions, that the Church might be open and return to Catholic tradition and turn away from the path of the last 40 years.

Oremus!!

Ponte said...

I suspect that everyone involved knows that it is now or never under this papacy.

Long live Pope Benedict XVI!

Anonymous said...

Fixed your prayer for you.

Let us pray that the bishops of the SSPX are attentive and supportive of the positions of the Pope, and that the heart of the SSPX is opened to the will of the Vicar of Christ and the his work he has accomplished under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to bring unity to the Church

O Lord, open the heart of the SSPX bishops to Catholic tradition and Truth.
Holy Mother of the Church, guide these negotiations and intercede for the Church. Dear Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, pray for all involved with these discussions, that the Church might be open and return to Catholic tradition and turn away from the bad fruits of the last 40 years.

Jordanes said...

Let us pray also that the Vicar of Christ and his collaborators will be attentive to and fairminded toward the concerns and positions of the SSPX, and that the heart of the Holy Father will be open to seek and fulfill the whole will of God.

O Lord, open the heart of the Pope, bishops, priests, religious and all Catholics to Tradition and Truth.
Holy Mother of the Church, guide these negotiations and intercede for the Church. Dear Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, pray for all involved with these discussions, that the Church might be open and return to Catholic tradition and turn away from the bad fruits of the last 40 years.

Mariam said...

Ave Maria! Mary, mother of the Church, pray for us!

Remember to keep offering Rosaries and sacrifices. Sounds like a good, plain, smooth beginning.

Anonymous said...

"...that the Church might be open and return to Catholic tradition and turn away from the bad fruits of the last 40 years."

The "return to Catholic tradition," at least Latin Church tradition, cannot be accomplished by anything less that the abandonment of the Novus Ordo.

Do you agree with that statement?

Thank you.

Tim

Jordanes said...

No, I don't agree with it. It would require some serious reform of the Pauline Missal and Lectionary, however.

Anonymous said...

"No, I don't agree with it."

Okay. We disagree. As the Society maintains, the Novus Ordo and Holy Tradition conflict.

It is impossible to maintain both Holy Tradition and the novelty that is the Novus Ordo.

"It would require some serious reform of the Pauline Missal and Lectionary, however."

Such as?

Tim

Anonymous said...

"...turn away from the bad fruits of the last 40 years."

What do you view as the "bad fruits" in question?

Tim

Jordanes said...

Such as?

Such as eliminating most of the new Eucharistic prayers, revamping the Offertory, eliminating the Peace, restoring the priest's preparatory prayers prior to Communion and the Ablutions, restoration of Advent, Lenten, Ember Day, and Friday disciplines, restoration of the pre-Communion fast, getting rid of the three-year cycle in the Lectionary, restoring those passages of the lections that were eliminated to downplay the severity of sin and the reality of the the danger of final damnation, and a reform of the calendar to bring it closer in line with the traditional calendar.

What do you view as the "bad fruits" in question?

That would include doctrinal and moral laxity, collapse of religious discipline among clergy, religious, and laity, liturgical deformations, and corruption of catechesis.

Anonymous said...

"Such as eliminating most of the new Eucharistic prayers, revamping the Offertory, eliminating the Peace, restoring the priest's preparatory prayers prior to Communion and the Ablutions, restoration of Advent, Lenten, Ember Day, and Friday disciplines, restoration of the pre-Communion fast, getting rid of the three-year cycle in the Lectionary, restoring those passages of the lections that were eliminated to downplay the severity of sin and the reality of the the danger of final damnation, and a reform of the calendar to bring it closer in line with the traditional calendar."

Right.

For all practical purposes, as I had stated, we must eliminate the Novus Ordo.

Tim

Picard said...

Very well put, Jordanes -- but Tim is right: that ammounts to abolish/eleminate what is called the NewRite!