Just a joke: the original comic strip was absolutely unrelated to anything Catholic.
If anybody gets a chance, go into:www.paxbook.com, which is the website for the Vatican's own bookstore.You will be stunned, and happilly surprised.Of all the selections of books highlighted......all were according either the 1962 Tridentine Latin Mass books, or earlier.These include the Roman Missal, the Roman Breviary, the Rituale Romanum, and other books.Not ONE single book shown pertains to Vatican II, or the Novus ordo Mass.I guess even at the Vatican, they are realizing what is popular (the Tridentine Latin Mass and the old litugical and ceremonial books), and what isn't (everything to do with the Novus Ordo and Vatican II).
And yet we now have a net loss of one U.S. diocese offering the T.L.M. on the every-Sunday basis. The Diocese of Sioux City, in Iowa, has rolled back TrueMass from every Sunday to just one per month. Meanwhile, we have still not recovered the lost Mass in the Diocese of Wheeling-Charleston, West Virginia. It is back up to three Sundays per month but not to the every-Sunday basis.Those bishops who have no respect for the Pope include Bishop Pepe of Las Vegas and Bishop Ramirez of Las Cruces. They are not Catholic.In Canada, the Diocese of Antigonish and the Archdiocese of Winnipeg gained every Sunday T.L.M.s under S.P. This year, the one in Antigonish was cancelled and the one one at Brandon, A. of Winnipeg, was rolled back to one Sunday per month. As for the bishops of Quebec, they just think that our dear Pope is a clown whom they can ignore.What counts is not the overall number of Masses but the number of DIOCESES offering at least one every-Sunday T.L.M. That is because, under the Constitution of the Church, each diocese is the Church locally; it is that local section of God's people. Thirty U.S. bishops, out of 176, are not co-operating with the Holy Father. They should be removed from office--deposed. It is as simple as that. Are there no men left in Rome?In Canada, the great majority of the bishops are defying the Holy Father over S.P. They should simply be removed from office and, should they be slow to clean out their desks, the Mounties should be sent in to handcuff them and forcibly remove them into cruisers, making sure to protect their heads as each one is pushed into the car.At Vatican II, we were told that all this nonsense was coming from the Pope, so we had to obey. Now that the 'wrong' message is coming from the Pope, the bishops simply choose to ignore him.In France, there is a conventicle of disobedient bishops, lead by Archbishop Jordan of Reims. They are concentrated in the north-east of the French Republic, that part of France where communism is most firmly entrenched. I refer to Reims, Soissons, Verdun, Cambrai, Langres and Châlons. Their response to His Holiness is to tell him to 'get lost' when it comes to the Latin Mass. Most of the bishops in Italy and all but one in Portugal simply defy the Supreme Pontiff. Who needs the Bishop of Rome when you have the Archbishop of Oporto or the Bishop of Parma?If the Holy Father does not take action against these men, he will lose his credibility. As Cardinal Richelieu wrote so long ago, "Power seldom used is soon lost".P.K.T.P.
\\in Iowa, has rolled back TrueMass from every Sunday to just one per month.\\The idea that there is only one True Mass goes directly against the teachings of the Church.BOTH forms of the Roman Rite, when celebrated reverently according to the rubrics are the True Mass according to Pope Benedict himself.The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is the True Mass.Each authorized Eucharistic Liturgy of the Catholic Church--and there are many--is the True Mass.In fact, the Catholic Church teaches that even the Eucharistic Sacrifice offered by an Eastern Priest not in communion with Rome is the True Masse.Merry Christmas, PKTP.Or should I say Happy Humbug?
The lack of respect for an Ecumenical Council of the Church as well as the Church's Ordinary Magisterium on this blog is both scandalous and sinful.Bunch of Protestants with a soft spot for maniples, lace and a language 99% of you can't understand.
Jack, I don't think P.K.T.P. is using the term "true" in the sense of valid, but in the sense of more venerable (truer or truest?) than the Novus Ordo, which it is, and he's certainly not discussing the other valid masses you claim such praise for."The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is the True Mass."Haven't you just made the exact same error you accuse P.K.T.P. of making?
"At Vatican II, we were told that all this nonsense was coming from the Pope, so we had to obey. Now that the 'wrong' message is coming from the Pope, the bishops simply choose to ignore him."They will take their authority wherever they can get it, apparently. Consistency is optional.
\\Jack, I don't think P.K.T.P. is using the term "true" in the sense of valid, but in the sense of more venerable (truer or truest?) than the Novus Ordo,\\The teaching of Pope Benedict is that the Pauline Missal is just as "true" (howsoever one defines true) as that of Blessed John.\\"The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is the True Mass."Haven't you just made the exact same error you accuse P.K.T.P. of making?\\Only if you take that statement out of context.You will notice that I also said that ANY authorized Eucharistic Liturgy of the Church is the True Mass.The Extraordinary form cannot claim any priority or preference in this regard.
"The Extraordinary form cannot claim any priority or preference in this regard."Oh, yes it can. Greater venerability due to age and breadth, testimony of saints, popes, and sainted popes, and absolute superiority of beauty, both in prayers and in rubrics. Not to mention it's origin, which is Apostolic, as compared to a quick composing of prayers of questionable motives. And then we get into the area of abuses, which the Novus Ordo seems designed for.Not all valid masses are equal in all senses.
PKTP:The every-Sunday TLM in the Diocese of Imus has been suspended (again, and for the same reason: for lack of a priest.)In addition, the only priest publicly offering the TLM in Manila died in October, and with his death the monthly (First Friday) TLM in the Archdiocese is gone. I was remiss not to have reported on Rorate the death of this priest (and of other old warriors who passed away this year): Msgr. Melencio De Vera, former rector of Manila Cathedral, one of the very few priests in the Archdiocese of Manila who continued to say the old Mass (albeit not so regularly) between 1970 and 1984.The Diocese of Pasig (another suffragan of Manila) is expected to have an every-Sunday TLM beginning early next year. Of course, anything can still happen...
\\Not all valid masses are equal in all senses.\\Are you saying that somehow the bread is more fully consecrated into the Body of Christ at the EF than at say, the Holy Liturgy of Addai and Mari?Or that the OF accomplishes only a half-consecration?
Jack, did you not read what I printed? Validity is not the issue, as Sanctifying Grace is Sanctifying Grace. Not all masses produce the same actual graces though, for many reasons, including that they don't all even ask for them. A Requiem Mass doesn't ask for the same actual graces as, say, a nuptial mass.
\\Oh, yes it can. Greater venerability due to age and breadth, testimony of saints, popes, and sainted popes, and absolute superiority of beauty, both in prayers and in rubrics. Not to mention it's origin, which is Apostolic, as compared to a quick composing of prayers of questionable motives. And then we get into the area of abuses, which the Novus Ordo seems designed for.\\Following your line of reasonings, ANY ONE of the Eastern Liturgies takes preference over the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.All of them are older.ALL of them have been used by saints, including Popes.ALL of them trace back to Apostolic origins.
There is no evidence the core of the TLM doesn't go back to Saint Peter himself. I liked the book "How Christ Said the First Mass" (I think that was the title) on this.Nonetheless, those aren't the only criteria for venerability, but at that I certainly agree that at least some Eastern liturgies are very venerable indeed, and certainly more venerable than the Novus Ordo. It's hard to claim venerability for a mass that changes with the breeze.
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