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Vatileaks - final chapter in this pontificate

The Holy Father received in audience this morning Cardinals Julian Herranz, Jozef Tomko, and Salvatore De Giorgi, who formed the commission to investigate the leaks of private information. They were accompanied by the commission’s secretary, Fr. Luigi Martignani, O.F.M., Cap.

At the conclusion of their mission, the Holy Father thanked them for the helpful work they did, and expressed satisfaction for the results of the investigation. Their work made it possible to detect, given the limitations and imperfections of the human factor of every institution, the generosity and dedication of those who work with uprightness and generosity in the Holy See at the service of the mission entrusted by Christ to the Roman Pontiff.

The Holy Father has decided that the acts of this investigation, known only to himself, remain solely at the disposition of the new pope.

46 comments:

Benedict Carter said...

Very interesting statement.

What seems to be said here is, "Your work has identified those within the College of Cardinals and the Curia who can be trusted, but this list of trustworthy men is for the eyes of the next Pope only".

Very clever. The Pope can play the Roman game too.

The guilty ones won't know if they've been fingered or not, and will be on best behaviour until the next Pope (one can only hope) sweeps the lot of them out of Rome altogether.

poeta said...

So, would this be a retraction of the plan to read the findings of the "Relatio" to the whole conclave?

CredoUtIntelligam said...

The Holy Father has decided that the acts of this investigation, known only to himself, remain solely at the disposition of the new pope.

Is this something new? It has been reported all along that only the new Pope would be able to read the reports. But it has also been reported that the members of the commission would advise the College of Cardinals of the contents of the report before the Conclave. Does this new statement mean the Cardinals will not even be advised of the contents of the report?

John Gerardi said...

The more this story keeps going, the more likely I think a true wildcard Papal pick is likely. I hope the cardinal electors (or at least the vast majority of them who are either not in the Roman curia or not directly involved with these scandals) will see the pressing urgency of cleaning this situation up, and turn to somebody with the strength and determination to do so. We don't need another smiling Pope. No more lambs...we need a Lion.

Crouchback said...

Yes Ben, with you there . . .

I"all give you a 10 pence at 5000 / 1 that the next Pope is Pope Ganswein . .

Wouldn't that be a turn up for the books.

Introitus said...

Benedict Carter,
That's true, unless one of the guilty ones gets elected because no one knew who was who.

Ora et Labora said...

Benedict Carter well said!!!

Virgil said...

Benedict Carter,

I appreciate that your thoughts go to how shrewd and wise this is, but to me it seems other.

If there are men in the Vatican and in the Curia who are not trustworthy, or organized against reform, shouldn't the college know before, you know, they accidentally elect one of them?

beng said...

The homosexual ring, knowing this, will try harder to make one of themselves, or those who sympathize with them, the new Pope.

NIANTIC said...

Yes, one can only hope and pray that the next Pope will sweep the stables clean.
It must be done because the rot and evil must be eradicated. We are talking about the Church, the Bride of Christ, the Portal of Heaven. Not some den of iniquity and ill repute.

MarkA said...

Please excuse my ignorance, but I thought that the Holy Father had asked Cardinals Julian Herranz, Jozef Tomko, and Salvatore De Giorgi to brief the entire College of Cardinals on the contents of their report on March 1.

Was I incorrect in my understanding or did something change?
MarkA

Andrew said...

I don't understand why there is so much dishonest behaviour/intrige at the Vatican. I may be naive, but I thought this whole thing was about living the Gospel and promoting the teachings of Christ. Perhaps its because Vatican officials have forgotten Christ's words that His kingdom is not of this world. I just can't get over how un-Christian this whole thing is.

Last night I saw a documentary about how the Ethiopian Orthodox mark Lent and Easter in Ethiopia. They are such a poor church. And yet, they seemed to be far more authentic than us rich Western Catholics. Perhaps we need to become poor again, be stripped of all worldy power. I think if that was the case these wordly games Vatican clerics play would quickly disappear. Thoughts?

Ted said...

"The guilty ones won't know if they've been fingered or not, and will be on best behaviour until the next Pope (one can only hope) sweeps the lot of them out of Rome altogether. "

That is, unless one of the guilty is elected pope...

PrayWithoutCeasing said...

"Last night I saw a documentary about how the Ethiopian Orthodox mark Lent and Easter in Ethiopia. They are such a poor church. And yet, they seemed to be far more authentic than us rich Western Catholics. Perhaps we need to become poor again, be stripped of all worldy power. I think if that was the case these wordly games Vatican clerics play would quickly disappear. Thoughts?"

I hear what you say Andrew, I think a lack of worldly goods, power or an easy life, whatever it is called, would help more to focus everyone's minds on their Westernised souls and how to save them, but as for the Church as a whole, which is head of millions of Catholics around the world, including lots of persecuted people in the Middle East, I'm not sure it being a powerless voice would help? But then is it able to help those Catholics in hostile countries now anyway?

Tom S. said...

John Gerardi, I hope and pray that you are right. Surely we are not the only ones who are sick of all this inter-curial warfare - especially at a time when the Church is under attack from so many directions. God willing, they elect somebody from the outside, who will come in and sweep the stables clean.

I think it is safe to say that no one who has been a part of this pathetic game is fit to do the job. I also think it safe to say that many of them are out "in the world" and on the receiving end of the ill will the whole distasteful saga is generating.

I pray they bring in someone from the parts of the world where people are sick of the intrigue - and tough enough to deal with it.

Places such as Sri Lanka, or Kazakhstan....

Muv said...

Crouchback and Benedict Carter -

If it's Ganswein and he takes the name Peter Damian I I'll be straight round the pub a for a slap up supper and getting happily plastered. Joining me?

Athelstane said...

John Gerardi:

The more this story keeps going, the more likely I think a true wildcard Papal pick is likely.

Possible. Of course, we all hope that it is a wildcard of the *good* variety...

Cardinal Ranjith would seem to fit that bill (and I think we'd all be pleased here if he won election)...the media wouldn't quite know what to do with him.

But if the College *really* wants to go "outside the box," they might consider Sviatoslav Shevchuk, the new 42-year old Major Archbishop of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. He's not a cardinal yet, mainly because his predecessor (Lubomyr Husar) is still living and only just turns 80 this week (meaning, alas, that the Ukrainians will not get a vote in this conclave, it seems). A very remarkable prelate, one who seems to have the fervor and energy to conduct a major housecleaning. Of course, he would certainly have the potential for a very long pontificate...

SKC said...

I have a question. It would seem that at least three other people besides Pope Benedict know of the contents of the findings. Right? So it seems likely that we will at some point know what the report says. Am I missing something?

Uncle Claibourne said...

I'd be curious to know what those of you closer to events in Europe think of Angelo Card. Bagnasco.

In addition to being a Siri protege, he seems to be tough as nails, and has already directly faced the wrath of the homolobby (at least the one outside the Church), up to and including death threats.

James Kohn said...

"But if the College *really* wants to go "outside the box," they might consider Sviatoslav Shevchuk, the new 42-year old Major Archbishop of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church."

BINGO!

I've been thinking the same thing, plus hes always working with the Orthodox on Western/Eastern relations...sigh another pipe dream like Burke

Anonymous said...

Writing from western Ukraine here. Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk would be an inspired pick. A man who in his early years lived in the Soviet Union (and thus understands all that entails) also he was a pastor for Ukrainian immigrants in Latin America (so a good sense of the global church.) Speaks a ton of languages, and I think founded the Catholic University in Lviv which is doing well.

Matt said...

Benedict Carter said, The guilty ones won't know if they've been fingered or not, and will be on best behavior until the next Pope (one can only hope) sweeps the lot of them out of Rome altogether."

We should also be prepared to come to terms with Business As Usual in that the report may end up in one of the many drawers there and never see the light of day. It all depends on the character of the succeeding Holy Father. It's seems our present Pope didn't want to deal with it.

Peccator said...

According to Vatican Radio, at this morning's press conference:

Fr. Lombardi added that the three cardinals of the Commission will participate fully in the General Congregations, where they too will have the occasion to express their own convictions. But it was also pointed out that participants in the Congregations are also bound to secrecy. (http://en.radiovaticana.va/articolo.asp?c=668214)

So I'd say we can trust the three good cardinals, without revealing the contents of the Commission, to direct the cardinal-electors towards reliable candidates.

Barbara said...

No, no Business As Usual, Matt. Categorically no. That won't happen.

LeonG said...

Trustworthiness. Now there is a rare virtue in our times! How deeply does such a quality flow within The Vatican City boundaries?

LeonG said...

Benedict carter

This works provided the information really can be kept confidential. You will have to excuse me but I really do have doubts on this level.

Benedict Carter said...

Is Arinze papabile? I watched a video of him talking last night and was rather impressed.

I'm not a gambling man Crouchback but at those odds I might be able to find a 50 pence coin or two!

Thanks to those who pointed out the flaw in my theory, which works only if one of the homos or other bad guys isn't elected. It's a bit like Anne Elk and her theory about dinosaurs ("Dinosaurs are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle and thin again at the other end").

What times we are living through! The day the Conclave starts I am definitely going to go to Mass and offer up the Holy Sacrifice for the election of the lion we need.

Ukrainian Greek Catholic, Maronite, Chaldean or even a Latin, please Father in Heaven give us the man who can restore Your Church's beauty, Her glory and Her might, through Your Son Our Lord Jesus Christ.

St. Michael Archangel, defend us in the day of battle and be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do thou, o prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God thrust down into hell Satan and all wicked spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.

Most sacred heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
Most sacred heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
Most sacred heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

CH DUPUY said...

The worst thing that could happen is the Conclave electing one of the signaled ones in the Report. If this would happen I am sure that the prophesy of St. Malachy shall be fulfilled and the next will be the Last Pope.

Woody said...

My candidate is His Eminence Velasio, Cardinal De Paolis. Aside from his work in the Legionaries matter, see the following:

http://orbiscatholicussecundus.blogspot.com/2010/10/ritus-ordinationis-diaconorum-fratrum_6911.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velasio_de_Paolis

Little Flower said...

John Gerardi,

Lion, yes. I could see Cardinal Dolan as Leo XIV...

I am not Spartacus said...

Look at the Popes and their responses to the Fatima Secrets and then ask your own self how reasonable it is to expect the next Pope to deal forthrightly with the closet conspiracies of clerical queers.

If they resolutely ignore warnings from Heaven...

Still, I am actualising the Supernatural virtue of Hope and waiting on God the Holy Ghost to revivify the one true Church outside of which there is no salvation.

I still expect a radical (in the best sense of the word) conclave outcome after many rounds of voting.

Uncle Claibourne said...

No thoughts on Bagnasco? From my limited Stateside perspective, he seems like he might be a good choice......

Johannes de Silentio said...

Interesting. Cardinals Herranz, Tomko, and DeGiorgi cannot reveal the contents of the report, but if they speak at the General Congregations, their fellow cardinals will certainly be trying to read in between the lines.

Francis in Ma said...

Watching the three American network "world news" tonight it is so obvious that these networks are so leftwing and anti-Catholic that they used every word to describe this homosexual priest infestation of the Catholic Church/Vatican with every word except "homosexual"! They used words like "sex scandal",and "pedophile priests", but these three networks never used the correct word to describe these men which is homosexual! Not surprising since the American media is pro-homosexual, leftwing, pro-Democrat Party and totally anti-Catholic. This isn't anything new, but they don't even try to hide their pseudo journalism and their liberal and anti-Catholic agenda.

Anonymous said...

+JMJ+

What about Tomko, as Pope?

AMDG

James

Lynda said...

He's definitely not a lion!

Cathy said...

More on the contents of the Vatileaks report.


http://moynihanreport.itvworking.com/from-the-desk-of/letter-22-cappuccino

Tom said...

Francis in Ma said..."Watching the three American network "world news" tonight it is so obvious that these networks are so leftwing and anti-Catholic that they used every word to describe this homosexual priest infestation of the Catholic Church/Vatican with every word except "homosexual"! They used words like "sex scandal",and "pedophile priests", but these three networks never used the correct word to describe these men which is homosexual! Not surprising since the American media is pro-homosexual, leftwing, pro-Democrat Party and totally anti-Catholic. This isn't anything new, but they don't even try to hide their pseudo journalism and their liberal and anti-Catholic agenda."

It is difficult to believe that once upon a time in the United States, the popular media, particularly Hollywood, feared Catholics as the result of the Church's Legion of Decency. Catholics were feared in the sense that they would resort to physical violence against the popular media.

Catholics (and non-Catholic were involved) were feared via the Legion of Decency's ability to call upon Catholics successfully to boycott immoral, and therefore, anti-Catholic media, particularly movies.

Well, the days of the Legion of Decency are long gone. The days when, on each Feast of the Immaculate Conception, we stood at Mass to take the Legion's pledge to avoid immoral entertainment and boycott any places (movie theaters, TV and radio networks) that promoted the indecency in question.

Imagine at today's parishes — considering the indecent manner in which more than a few Catholics dress for Mass — such a thing Catholics pledging, and a great many following through on said pledge, to avoid and boycott indecent movies and TV shows and the media outlets responsible for showing the same?

It is difficult to imagine the above, except at Traditional Roman Masses.

Moslems are feared by the media. Catholics are not. In fact, there is a good chance that you would find "Catholics" responsible for having produced immoral trash.

Tom

Tom said...

Sorry. I had written that "Catholics were feared in the sense that they would resort to physical violence against the popular media."

I should have written that "Catholics were***not*** feared in the sense that they would resort to physical violence against the popular media."

Catholics were not feared in the physical sense.

As I continued in my previous post...Catholics (and non-Catholic were involved) were feared via the Legion of Decency's ability to call upon Catholics successfully to boycott immoral, and therefore, anti-Catholic media, particularly movies.

Tom

Tom said...

More on the contents of the Vatileaks report.

http://moynihanreport.itvworking.com/from-the-desk-of/letter-22-cappuccino

"Later, I ran into an Italian jounalist friend, and mentioned that I had spoken to Ingrao and that he had stood by his story.

“His story was ultimately based on the work of an Italian priest, don Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo, who came out with an explosive book last year on this subject.

"That’s the real source of this story. They say that all the cardinals received copies of his book, even Cardinal Herranz, the head of the commission of three cardinals which prepared the secret dossier given to the Pope on December 17.”

“You’re kidding,” I said.

“Do you have his phone number?” I said.

(to be continued…)

An Internet search on Italian priest, don Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo turned up this.

http://www.pontifex.roma.it/consacrati/13203-golpe-omosessualista-nella-chiesa-conversazione-di-corrispondenza-romana-con-don-ariel-s-levi-di-gualdo.html

Gus Barbarigo said...

Doesn't the "satisfaction" expressed by the Pope imply that the three cardinals who made the report are trustworthy, and perhaps the only three cardinals who can be trusted?

Is the acceptance of the report an implicit recommendation to elect one of the three Cardinal-reporters?

Otherwise, the Pope would be asking the conclave to play Russian Roulette, which I cannot (do not want to believe) he would do!

Cassandra said...

Benedict Carter's orginal comment is interesting. The response to the fears of the guilty one(s) getting elected and suppressing it is two fold: a) B16 has read it and could calculate the odds of those being elected. Willing to take the risk. b) B16 came to the conclusion he/we really must rely on the Holy Spirit--oops, sorry-- Ghost to come through on this one.

Benedict Carter said...

Tom, thanks for that link which I read using the Google translation tool.

There is nothing of course precluding both Don Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo AND Ingrao both being truthful and accurate in their reporting at the same time, is there?

Father Malachi Martin was warning of the homosexual takeover of the Priesthood and of the Episcopate decades ago.

Let us recall the letters sent by Gerald Michael Cushing Fitzgerald (1894 - 1969), the founder of the Servants of the Paraclete, warning American Bishops from the mid-1950's about the sudden appearance of molesting priests (homosexuals) which he had never seen before.

This holy priest went on to see Paul VI and wanted the Church to agree to isolate these men geographically on an island Fitzgerald sought to buy in the Caribbean.

If there are readers who want to know the true history of this sodomite plague in the Church, he or she should read the following links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/us/03church.html/?_r=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Fitzgerald_(priest)

Father Fitzgerald's increasingly strong letters to various American Bishops can be found online here:

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/03_04/fitzgerald.pdf

http://www.richardsipe.com/2009-09/Father.Gerald.Fitzgerald.pdf

Gratias said...

Woody, Cardinal De Paolis seems a great candidate. He did a good job for the EF ordinations of traditional Franciscans. Apparently De Paolis was firm and diplomatic when put in charge of fixing the homosexuals at Legionaries of Christ. He is a top Canon lawyer as well.

The new Pope should be a person who has offered both rites of the Latin church. Burke or Ranjith would be nice.

A terrible choice would be Cardinal Bergoglio S. J. of Buenos Aires; he has not allowed the TLM into his Archiocese and was runner up to Ratzinger eight years ago.

Matt said...

Barbara said, "No, no Business As Usual, Matt. Categorically no. That won't happen."

We hope so, Barbara, you have no clue what the succeeding Holy Father will do with that information, along with anything of continued restoration or the dealings with the SSPX. Imminently critical times we're in now, Barbara.

This is the time for all the Faithful to pray and pray hard because in a just couple of weeks we shall see what the tone of the Church will be for the foreseeable future.

Anonymous said...

I think it will be Cardinal Bagnasco, he seems to have all the credentials to be Pope. Pope Pius xiii, or, what about Pope Patrick I, after all the Irish have contributed over the centuries to the faith !