Rorate Caeli

New Catholic Boy Scouts -- against the homoheresy

At Rorate, we have been reporting on the homoheresy for some time. This plague as infiltrated every important institution, even the Church. So, of course it would eventually destroy even the good ones, like the Boy Scouts.



We are going to make Catholic Scouts happen: the Scouts of Saint George. 

Here's the mini-manifesto in 7 points:

1.   The Scouts of Saint George must be Catholic and acknowledge every jot and tittle of the magisterium of the Church - and be in full communion with the Holy Father.

2.   A personal relationship with Christ and the growth in manly virtue will be at the heart of the Scouts of Saint George.

3.   The Scouts of Saint George will be like the Boy Scouts of America with hiking, fishing, camping, merit badges, and a highest rank (equivalent somehow to Eagle Scout). Same format and structure.

4.   The Scouts of Saint George must have protection from the government, which means it must be  grassroots. It cannot be a non-profit 501(c)3. Otherwise, we are under government regulation and pressure in the years to come. We must avoid influence from lobbyists and governmental powers to compromise (as has happened with the BSA). Where there is no money, there is less pressure.

5.   The Scouts of Saint George will be free and open-source. Like the original Baden-Powell, all you'll need is the book, uniform, and badges. That's it. The rest is grassroots. Fathers and sons organize and simply register or seek recognition from the other Scouts of Saint George.

6.   The Scouts of Saint George won't reinvent the wheel. Traditional scouting works. Why change it? We're just going to preserve the tradition and import a Catholic identity.

7.   The Scouts of Saint George is global. My goal is to get Pope Francis to approve it and recognize it.

8.   Why Saint George? I have a devotion to him and he's the exemplar for young men in the categories of courage and virginity? We need young men to slay the dragons of our era. Wouldn't you agree?

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33 comments:

Nama said...

The word "personal relationship with Christ" which is used by feel good protestant (which is also in Catechism unfortunately), must be scrapped.

The greatest commandments are two, not just one.

Matthew said...

Why the explicit exclusion of those not in "full communion," whatever the heck that means? Why not just Catholics, full stop?

Adfero said...

Since the SSPX is fully inside the Church, after the lifting of the excommunications, we should assume Mr. Marshall is referring to liberal, lapsed Catholics, Protestants and possibly sedevacantists.

On the sede front, you really don't want kids hearing the pope isn't the pope, and starting to doubt do to peer influencese. That is a legitimate concern.

peccator said...

Agree 100% with Nama re: the phrase "personal relationship with Christ".

It appears to specifically and maliciously exclude good, faithful, fully Catholic boys and young men in families belonging to SSPX parishes. Yet who better to serve as a model to N.O. Catholics in what it means to be truly Catholic in today's society?

And, honestly, what average Catholic lay person knows "every jot and tittle of the magisterium"? Acknowledge support of the common ones,yes. But all? Can you name them all?

tz said...

I suppose instead of the entrants being called "tenderfoot" they can be "discalced".

tz said...

On a more serious note, Divine Providence Lithuanian Catholic in Southfield, Michigan (Latin Rite, The priest really likes Latin and did the first part of the Easter Vigil in original form, but the rest was Novus Ordo) apparently has a variant called "Lithuanian Scouts" or something similar.

As there is no feedback link on the site announcing the formation of St. George, I cannot directly communicate this information to the organizer.

Adfero said...

Sorry about my butchering of the English language above. Commenting on the road!

Musing said...

There already exists a similar group: http://www.fneexplorers.com/

peccator said...

Are you aware that there is already a Scouts-type Catholic organization in existence in North America? See http://www.northstarexplorers.org

CPT Tom said...

By the way there is already an organization out there that fits this...the Federation of North American Explorers (http://www.fneexplorers.com/) They are part of Guides et Scouts d'Europe (or Federation of Scouting Europe (FSE) http://www.scouts-europe.org/.

Both organizations are Catholic and grounded in Scouting as invented by Robert Baden-Powell and notably enriched by Father Jacques Sevin within Scouts of France.

The International Association FSE received formal recognition from the Holy See through a document entitled "PONTIFICIUM CONSILIUM PRO LAICIS 1130/03/AIC - 15a" signed by James Francis Cardinal Stafford.

Why reinvent the wheel?

CPT Tom said...

By the way there is already an organization out there that fits this...the Federation of North American Explorers (http://www.fneexplorers.com/) They are part of Guides et Scouts d'Europe (or Federation of Scouting Europe (FSE) http://www.scouts-europe.org/.

Both organizations are Catholic and grounded in Scouting as invented by Robert Baden-Powell and notably enriched by Father Jacques Sevin within Scouts of France.

The International Association FSE received formal recognition from the Holy See through a document entitled "PONTIFICIUM CONSILIUM PRO LAICIS 1130/03/AIC - 15a" signed by James Francis Cardinal Stafford.

Why reinvent the wheel?

im-blogger said...

On concur with AdFero that there is no reason to believe that SSPX-attending Catholics would be excluded on the basis of "full communion". The faithful have never been penalized by Rome for attending the SSPX; and the one time, then-Cardinal Ratzinger, at the time head of the CDF, overruled such abuse of power.

On the other hand, protecting your kids from sede-talk is Very, Very valuable. Those idea's, like (neo-)modernism, can really mess with your (kids') head(s).

I hope that this will turn out to become a great work under the banner of our Lord!

totustuusmaria said...

Please note that the SSPX is a fraternal society of priests. There is no question that Catholics who choose to assist at Mass at their parishes do not incur any canonical irregularity on account of that. The good Dr. Taylor Marshall surely knows that. We should not be so sensitive.

As to the phrase: "personal relationship with Christ", that is a powerful ideal, and I see no reason why it should be abandoned on account of its association with protestantism. As a 3rd order Carmelite, I would take extreme exception to any Catholic theology that denied that the end of the Catholic life was to grow in holiness in profound encounter with the persons of the Trinity, even to point where Jesus betroths the soul to Himself. Spiritual marriage is definitely a personal relationship. It is most Catholic and most desirable.

Wendell said...

There is an excellent alternative, a Catholic scouting organization called the Federation of North American Explorers.

http://www.fneexplorers.com/

The Explorer Promise: On my honour and with God’s grace, I promise to do my best to serve God, my Church, my country, to help others at all times, and to obey the Explorer law.

The law reads in part:
(A)n Explorer is loyal all round...

-To the Catholic Faith which God has revealed.
-To the Holy See and those whom God has appointed to rule in spiritual things.
-To the authorities whom God has set to rule in temporal things.
-To parents in whose care God has placed him.

Dr. Timothy J. Williams said...

I see no reason to insist that a boy be Catholic to be a membmer of this organization. The Catholic Church accepts, as part of Her mission, the education of all children. What is required is that families - parents and children - adhere the authority of the Church to decide what is and is not acceptable in this new scouting organization. In theory, this is the way our parochial schools have always operated. (Of course, in our vacuum of leadership today, we have openly dissenting parents and teachers, even "catholic" ones, involved in our schools. But that is another issue.)

dcs said...

I think we can make a distinction between an organization's being Catholic and its members' being Catholic. The Scouts of Europe (UIGSE-FSE), to which reference was made earlier in these comments, are Catholic, but not all of its individual members are.

Anne Armstrong said...

Are you going to make the little kids joining up explicitly eschew artificial contraception and adultery? Are you going to explain to the kids what those things are, first? Who is going to do the explaining? And if, for example, a child's parents are in a second marriage, would you exclude the child? And if the child didn't have 'enough' siblings, or if anyone in the family were gay, or missed Mass on a holy day of obligation, or drove above the speed limit, or failed to tithe, would you exclude them?

Chris Whittle said...

I subscribed to the Dr. Marshall's mailing list for the "Scouts of St. George."

Also, SSPX and FSSP parishes currently sponsor Boy Scout troops, and I would encourage them to withdraw from the BSA.

trochee said...

It appears there is already a Catholc scouting organization which is 100 years old, whose founder was recently beatified, with papal recognition, and that has Cardinal Burke as its Cardinal Sponsor (at least as of 2012).

International Catholic Conference of Scouting's website can be found at www.cics.org.

Is there some reason Catholic scouting should not shift away from BSA to CICS?

There seem to be many wonderful things about Scouting. I cannot help but be surprised that no one on Rorate has called them out for modernism (the "back to nature" movement is thoroughly, even quintessentially, Modern) and for the neopagan ideas of their founders as all as indifferent ism.

Given the ongoing and highly negative critique of modernism, perhaps it would be best for those with the charism of forming Catholic boys into Catholic men not to "reboot" Scouting but to systematize ways that inculcate manly and Christian virtue without the starting point of Modernism. This assumes that this is not already being done, and done well, in some part of the Church.

dcs said...

The CICS is for those who are already members of a WOSM-affiliated scouting organization (such as the BSA):

"Only fully recognized members of the World Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM) may apply for and receive membership of the International Catholic Conference of Scouting (ICCS)."

It is not a scouting organization of its own.

dcs said...

P.S. In re:

There seem to be many wonderful things about Scouting. I cannot help but be surprised that no one on Rorate has called them out for modernism (the "back to nature" movement is thoroughly, even quintessentially, Modern) and for the neopagan ideas of their founders as all as indifferent ism.

The scouting movement has been approved by every Pope since Pius XI.

Gratias said...

Thank you Rorate Caeli for posting again the link to the essay on Homoheresy. It is a must-read for it names names.

objectiv1 said...

Stan Jacobs

to Anne Armstrong and others with her viewpoint: If you don't like what an organization represents don't join it. I love barbecues so why should I insist that PETA accepts me as a member?

A sick mind goes to a roller rink then complains that they will not accommodate her ice skates!

kfca said...

@Nama, you write: "The [words] "personal relationship with Christ" which is used by feel good protestant (which is also in Catechism unfortunately), must be scrapped."

What is it to us that others outside the Church have adopted this term; I wasn't aware that anyone had trade-marked it.

For anyone who is receptive to private revelation, especially those given to Ss. Gertrude, Margaret Mary Alacoque, and Faustina, Our Blessed Lord has, time and time again down through the ages placed Himself in the position of revealing to various individuals that He wishes us to have confidence in Him, to trust in Him - in His Sacred Heart, in His Mercy, in Himself. As we cannot trust Whom we do not know, I suggest that it is incumbent upon all Catholics to foster a personal relation with Him. A relationship rooted in Truth - based on Sacred Scripture, the liturgy, the apostolic Fathers, and the writings of the Saints etc.

(And as no-one comes to the Son except through His mother, the Mediatrix of all graces, He cannot be known except through the Church. Our Blessed Lady has more than once, and in various ways, advocated as the surest means of salvation, the graces which flow from the Rosary and the mantle of the Carmelite scapular).

I apologise for 'preaching' to the converted, but the Church has never stopped being missionary, so please don't thwart the divine will of Our Lord, by discouraging those souls whom He draws to Himself from responding personally to Him.
I believe that the inspiration being taken forward by Taylor is going to be very successful, and so expect that many obstacles will be placed in his way. Being familiar with his blog, I also assume that a staged, certified programme of sound catechesis will also be a key feature of his new movement. So please support him in every way you can, especially through prayer.

Dymphna said...

So if I enjoy hiking I'm a modernist?

Matthew said...

Adfero,

I appreciate your attempt to interpret Dr. Marshall generously. That being said, if one reads what he has written about the SSPX, he clearly thinks that the SSPX, and not the Roman authorities, have a problem, and he definitely does not have anything good to say about the SSPX, and suggests that one really should not go to an SSPX chapel or receive Communion except in the most dire circumstances. He implicitly suggests that they are in schism, if I understand him correctly, as well. Perhaps he will clarify.

Clayton Orr said...

My take on the situation with the Boy Scouts: armchairtraditionalist.blogspot.com

Joseph Shaw said...

I don't like to criticise what is clearly a good initiative in itself, but my fear would be that members of this new organisation will spend a disproportionate amount of time arguing about the liturgy.

He wants Masses at Scout meetings. Great! What kind of Masses? Views are going to differ.

My own view is that you have to set the spirituality of a group from the start, and then those who want that will join, and those who don't, needn't be disappointed.

Clayton Orr said...

^True.

dcs said...

I don't like to criticise what is clearly a good initiative in itself, but my fear would be that members of this new organisation will spend a disproportionate amount of time arguing about the liturgy.

It need not be that way. In the UIGSE-FSE (of which the Federation of North-American Explorers is a member association), there are groups that attend the traditional Mass, groups that attend the Divine Liturgy, and groups (probably most) that attend the Novus Ordo. No arguing.

Nancy Danielson said...

Pope Francis supports same-sex sexual relationships and thus same-sex sexual acts, as long as the relationship is private.( page 117, On Heaven and Earth)

Clearly our Pope does not believe that all persons have an inherent right to be treated with Dignity and Respect in private as well as in public and his election can not be valid as he denies a fundamental article of Faith. (Catholic Canon 750)

Conner Warren said...

Then why did he say that homosexual marriage is an abomination in the eyes of God?

Apud Deum,
Conner

Conner Warren said...

Then why did he say that homosexual marriage is an abomination in the eyes of God?

Apud Deum,
Conner