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A Vatican II Moment
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The Eastern Churches in communion with the Apostolic See of Rome have a special duty of promoting the unity of all Christians, especially Eastern Christians, ... by prayer in the first place, and by the example of their lives, by religious fidelity to the ancient Eastern traditions, by a greater knowledge of each other, by collaboration and a brotherly regard for objects and feelings.
Orientalium Ecclesiarum, 24

Meanwhile, in the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Eparchy of Wrocław-Gdańsk...

It was reported that the Bishop said that "he [wa]s not aware of any permission for female servers in the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church" - and suggested "direct contact with the organizers" of the "Sarepta Youth Camp" [though it is located in his eparchy and though the youth retreats are led by members of the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church in Poland].



  1. Abominatio desolationis in Sancto.

  2. As an Orthodox Christian I took one look at those pictures and shuddered. Lord have Mercy! I have said it before and I will say it again...

    In addition to the various (and real) theological issues dividing us, there is all of the insanity going on in the Roman Church. Most of our bishops won't admit it publicly, but the fact remains that the vast majority of Orthodox don't want anything to do with Rome until you guys get your house in order.

  3. There was a proposal in one Orthodox jurisdiction to create an "Order of Myhrr Bearers" for young ladies, who would serve an equivalent function to the Acolyte, who could only be male. Heard it at a lecture once at St Vladimir's Seminary, but couldn't find more. Meanwhile, some Eastern Catholic parishes in the USA do resort to female acolytes, even extraordinary ministers of Communion, whether male or female. The latter happens very rarely, but it does happen.

  4. Ad Orientem,

    The fact that there are problems in the Church is true, but that is not why Orthodox people do not want anything to do with the Church. When the Church was "in order" you did not want anything to do with the Church, either - not that we needed it.

    For centuries the Orthodox were pretty close to having anything to do with the Church and now the Russian Patriarch in particular.

  5. Anonymous1:40 PM

    The gender problems come as no suprise once you see the priests in the photo. They would fit in on any "diverse" liberal american city.

  6. Anonymous1:52 PM

    I am, by birth and baptism, a member of the Ukrainian Catholic Church. I can tell you that I find this extraordinarily offensive: another piece of Western nonsense making its way over to the East. It's completely shameful: one has to wonder what St. Basil, who contended clearly that women are by divine mandate excluded from sacred ministry, would say about this.

  7. Anonymous5:33 PM

    How can you quote Vatican II against this aberration but then call it a "Vatican II moment"? Clearly Vatican II is not at fault here, but people who ignore it.

  8. It is a "spirit of Vatican II" moment, brought by the usual suspect who favor the hermeneutic of rupture.
    I used to attend the Byzantine Catholic parish in San Diego, but I stopped when they introduced inclusive language and dropped "men" from the Creed. Too bad because I love the tradition of Constantinople!

  9. Why am I not surprised?

  10. Anonymous2:52 AM

    ad orientem,

    you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. these aberrant and novel liturgical practices while irritating, are not as important as the truth. what should make you shudder is the fact that the catholic church teaches that contraception is gravely evil while the orthodox say it is ok.

    these are the serious issues dividing us and putting the orthodox in a potentially grave deficiency.

  11. here's another VII moment: a Bishop's main concern about the traditional mass is that priests have to "genuflect 18 times"! Ooo, ouch!

  12. Anonymous5:40 AM

    I emailed the address and complained. Why don't you all email?

  13. We wish to preemptively apologize to our Eastern Catholic brothers for any incorrect information presented here or for any appearance of offense. Far from our minds to offend our dearest brethren!

    It is, in many ways, a warning from suffering Roman Rite Catholics: do not let this Pandora's Box be opened! Please, preserve the Traditions of the East! Even if in jest or as a mere summer-camp exercise, these scandals must be avoided. If Latinisation was to be looked upon with suspicion in the past, it must be avoided at all costs in our age, when the Latin Church is in a confusing process of liturgical disintegration-restoration.

  14. Anonymous7:16 PM

    Sadly, I have seen female servers in one Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in the USA, although I have never seen tham at any other parish. The particular law for the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church in the USA specifically forbids women/girls to serve at the altar, but a few priests will let a girldress in a sticharion and hold a candle outside the iconostas.


    Seems it's not just we Eastern Catholics. The Orthodox "gotcha" sniping is getting old.


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