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"The Holy Father appointed as consultors of the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff: Msgr. Nicola Bux, professor at the Theological Faculty of Puglia, Italy; Fr. Mauro Gagliardi, professor at the Pontifical Athenaeum "Regina Apostolorum", Rome; Fr. Juan Jose Silvestre Valor, professor at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross, Rome; Fr. Uwe Michael Lang C.O., official of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, and Fr. Paul C. F. Gunter O.S.B., professor at the St. Anselm Pontifical Athenaeum, Rome."

An interview (in Italian) with Msgr. Bux, after his appointment today (interesting enough, but it contains no new information).


  1. I figured you'd notice that. My eyebrows perked up when I saw Father Bux and Father Lang's names this morning. Definitely good news, and a further indication of the direction the Pope wants to take in liturgical matters. They'd be excellent working on the rumored project of simplifying/repairing the reformed Roman Missal.

  2. Anonymous8:12 AM

    Msgr Bux : "La liturgia consiste in una sapiente e saggia miscela del nuovo e dell’antico, e per antico, intendo tradizione."

    I read a comment by Abp Bugnini about the 1965 "missal" plus the 1967 changes, that were the basis for the "Agatha Christie indult" of 1971 that was nearly the same. It was something like a "fine blend between the new and traditional".

    Fundamentally, it's true because during centuries, centuries I underline, some "new" is added with cautious within the "antico/tradizione" (old frame). But these "blends" have sometimes a serious problem of ... stability. When a liturgical "compound" is created out of contradictory elements or principles, the weak or negative elements prevail with time passing.
    A blended liturgy can become exactly what we see today with the fancy subprime mortgages blended into toxic financial products. The toxic elements are causing a global crisis.
    Bugnini's 1965-1967-1968 (supposedly) "fine blend" exploded quickly and we're all suffering from the unending liturgical crisis that the maverick litniks of the 1960's have engineered with their odd mixtures.

    If I understand well, the whole "rumored project" would be to find out the toxic, alien to Tradition, elements that Buginini and the litnik gang introduced into the "antico" creating the unstable and weak Ordinary Form compound. A long and hard task ahead.
    But it would be a serious danger to try to inoculate toxic, Bugnini elements into the sane "antico" Extraordinary Form.


  3. Sir Thomas Gresham (1519–1579)

    Gresham's Law

    "Bad money drives out good"

    Not surprising then that it was an Italian that thought up the Novus Order.

  4. CNA's story on these appointments underscores the shift in liturgical matters that they herald:

  5. Anonymous9:01 AM


    What is that supposed to mean?

    What have the Italians got to do with it?

    Why not can Bugnini for being from, where? Bologna? instead?

  6. A metaphor that to my mind simplifies the long post by the anonymous 8.12.

    The Italians as you know were notorious for devaluing the Lire.The Euro has put a stop to some of their antics but I wouldn't book a flight on Alitalia if I were you.

    All roads lead to Rome but it is safer to go by British Airways!

    Bugnini devalued the liturgy. Was it because he was a protestant? or a mason? or just an Italian devaluing the good and replacing it with the ???

  7. Anonymous1:24 PM

    ...and now the preface to the new Fortescue, by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, probably the most important thing since the motu proprio; and in some ways even more important.

  8. Quite an exaggeration...

  9. Anonymous12:31 AM

    Most significant is that the previous members' appointments have not been renewed.

  10. These are important developments and we await their impact. I wonder what has become of the rumoured upgrade of the Pontifical Institute of Sacred Music and the much mooted powers to inforce legislation on sacred music...

  11. Anonymous10:57 AM

    "Not surprising then that it was an Italian that thought up the Novus Order"

    A ridiculous and insulting remark.
    The fact that Buginini was Italian is irrelevant. In fact, at that time, the Italians were among the most traditional in Catholic expression....and in some parts of the country still are.
    Race or nationality has nothing to do with it. It was Bugnini's mindset, and that could have been the same (and was the same) as people from France, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, G. Britian, Austria or the USA. They represent countries which at the time *and unfortunatly still today), had the most radical and most bizarre interpretations, deviations, and experimentations in the liturgy immediatly after Vatican II, and for the entire last 40+ years.
    It doesn't matter waht the nationality. They all have the same destructive, Protestantized mindset bent on warping and destroying the traditional Roman Rite (Tridentne Latin Mass) into something else...which us the mess we call the Novus Ordo.

    Now to try to inject elements of the Tridentine Latin Mass into the present Novus Ordo would be a step in the right direction. And this may be what the Pope wants to do with his new appointments.
    But to try to inject parts of the failed Protestantized modern Novus Ordo into the Tridentine Latin Mass would be a disaster.
    I hope the Pope (who has been accused of this before), would never attempt such destruction.
    It would backfire as badly as the Novus Ordo did, and reaction in the Catholic world would be an outrage he could not control.
    If the Pope thinks the SSPX was/is a problem, they would be nothing compared to what would happen if he tried to tamper with the Tridentine Latin Mass.

  12. Anonymous2:09 PM

    Not surprising then that it was an Italian that thought up the Novus Order.

    Some might say it was based on prior work by English, French, and Germans.


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