Rorate Caeli

Lepers no more

From the Bollettino of the acts of the Holy See, the following nominations were made public on this last day of the year:

The Holy Father Benedict XVI has named Judges of the Court of Appeals of the Vatican City State the Rev. Msgr. Egidio Turnaturi and the Honorable Dr. Riccardo Turrini Vita.

So what? As Sandro Magister recalls today, the Honorable Judge is a member of Una Voce Italia - not only a member, but former President and part of the current Presiding Council elected in 2011. He was named based on his great personal merits, but his obviously public attachment to the Traditional Mass has not hindered him.

Auguri per il nuovo incarico!


Jacob said...

Hurray! It may be a small victory to today, but who knows how many good fruits this will bear tomorrow!

Hidden One said...

Good news with which to close out the year!

Anonymous said...

Roman Observer said:

This is a sign from the HF that those who promote the TLM are considered by him "trustworthy"...and this is a epochal change for the good!

wretchedwithhope said...

I'll add a woohoo! to that 'hurrah'!

I sometimes think too many priests and bishops have never been exposed to the TLM which Bl. JHNewman described as 'so consoling, so piercing, so thrilling, so overcoming', or else the why would there be such a wholesale ignoring of that 'consoling, piercing, thrilling', liturgy?

Our Lord is called the 'Leitourgos of Holy things' (Heb. 8:2) - there's hope then that those us hungering for the 'Leitourgos of holy things', might find what we seek in our local parish, and that our Priests may turn towards God once more and away from belial!

Truth Seeker said...

\\I sometimes think too many priests and bishops have never been exposed to the TLM which Bl. JHNewman described as 'so consoling, so piercing, so thrilling, so overcoming',\\

This is merely an opinion.

Similar things have been said about any of the classic liturgies, including the traditional BCP.

I know an old experienced priest who was ordained before Vatican II, and says that how the Extraordinary Form is celebrated now by those reviving it is NOT the way he was taught to celebrate it.

Why is this?

Andreas said...

Truth Seeker: Did the priest you quoted say how the current celebrations of the EF differ from what he was taught? I've noticed some differences myself, between today's traditional masses and what I remember from before Vatican II, but I'd be interested to know what differences this priest had in mind.


Truth Seeker said...

Andreas, the priest I mentioned did not go into the details, and I have not had a chance to ask him.

Interestingly enough, he did say that his frequent celebration of the Byzantine liturgy has affected how he celebrates the Extraordinary Form, much as priest who have recently begun celebrating the usus antiquor have seen its spirit affecting their celebrations of the Pauline mass.

However, a close friend of mine who was raised in the pre V2 church and went to Catholic schools all his life has said similar things--namely that what he's seeing now is NOT what he remembers from his youth.

Edgar said...

Truth Seeker, have the people that mentioned these "changes" from pre CVII to today in the TLM have expressed if they have been for better or worse?

wsxyz said...

Truth Seeker: Your comments are entirely worthless without some indication of WHAT is supposed to have changed.

I choose to interpret your anecdotes as indicating that traditional masses celebrated now are celebrated better than they used to be, but who knows for sure what your anonymous anecdotalists mean to say?

New Catholic said...


You are completely correct. I have no idea why this was raised by Truth Seeker, anyway, and ask all not to comment on this any longer.

wretchedwithhope said...

there's a book by Martin Mosebach called the 'Heresy of Formlessness'. He notes in it how even before Vatican II the swamping of the Mass with vernacular hymns was already making the Mass too particular to the personality of the priest - the priest was already becoming less priestly - less in the person of Christ, and just a master of ceremonies - these hymns were introduced as a sudden panicky reaction to the 'indoctrination' hymns in Protestant 'masses' of the reformation usually set to secular tunes. This swamping has turned into a veritable drowning in awful songs the melodies of which and the lyrics of which radically interrupt every movement of the Mass and seem more than anything an excuse for the priest to karaoke his way through the service (admittedly he does have a beautiful voice). Given that the NO is bereft, at least in most Churches I've been to, of any semblence of 'fear and trembling', of awe and sacredness, of the need for consecrated hands; the hymns define the all too worldly nature of the meal in Catholic services these days - you get the feeling that just like in the Temple of Jerusalem of old, the Holy Trinity have said, 'let Us depart', from all too many parishes - perhaps the watershed moment was the smashing of the altars.