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Beato subito

Not news at this moment, but we must post it, for the record of current events:
On January 14, 2011, the Supreme Pontiff, Benedict XVI, during the audience granted to His Eminence Cardinal Angelo Amato, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, authorized the Congregation to promulgate the Decree on the miracle attributed to the Venerable Servant of God John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla). [Note of the Congregation]
The Rite of Beatification of the Venerable Servant of God John Paul II (Karol Wojtyła) will take place in the Vatican, on May 1, 2011, Second Sunday of Easter (of the Divine Mercy), presided by the Supreme Pontiff, Benedict XVI. [Note of the Holy See Press Office.]


  1. Anonymous1:12 PM


    ~ Belloc

  2. Anonymous2:00 PM

    Bathetic (sic).

  3. This will surely be seen, both by the Church's friends and by her enemies, as a whitewash of all the scandalous events that took place during John Paul II's reign, although opinions may vastly diverge as to which events were most scandalous.

    Meanwhile Ven. Pius XII still can't get a look in.

  4. M. A.2:48 PM



  5. Te Deum laudamus!

    John Paul II, Bishop of Rome, pray for us!

  6. Praised be Jesus Christ.

  7. Anonymous3:23 PM

    While Pope John Paul II seems to have been a holy man, his treatment of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, with his tolerance of people like Mahoney, Hans Küng, and Weakland, and his many questionable episcopal appointments, is very, very difficult to accept or understand. perhaps history will reveal something more positive about his papacy. For it seems under him, as under the present pope, the institutional church (not the mystical) waned corrupted and deteriorated.

  8. Anonymous3:56 PM

    this is a bit much for a man who allowed the church to sink, and demean the papacy!

  9. Beloved John Paul, pray for us!

  10. Anonymous4:50 PM

    HEY, If JPII is in Heaven (and as a Catholic I'll take the Church's word for it any day) then it means he can now see all of the mistakes that were made during his pontificate and is in a very good position to sort them out. I think that all Tradi Catholics can take heart from this and start praying to him with a vengeance....

  11. Stephen5:21 PM

    What a scandal...oh well should we expect anything else form the NO?

  12. Anonymous5:28 PM

    I have never felt so . . . unenthused about a beatification. I am trying to set aside my "preferences" for tradition to see this as an objective outsider would (i.e. ignoring Assisi, altar girls, etc). But then I remember all of the things that happened during his pontificate that are recognized as bad by everyone of a semi-orthodox stripe: covering the globe with terrible bishops, the sex abuse pandemic and cover-up, liturgical practices that are now nearly universally condemned, and the list goes on. The Church in 2000 does not even compare favorably with the Church in 1980, let alone 1900 (or 1800, or 1700 . . .).
    I think I will file him right there with John XXIII. Perhaps he is in Heaven (and I do hope so), but I will not be among his cult.

  13. I think the idea of praying to JPII a great one--for the restoration of the Liturgy, etc.

    Mean-spirited comments condemn themselves.

    We surely reflect on the plusses and minuses of his tenure, but should do so in a spirit of filial reverence and deep respect.

    To do otherwise shows oneself diminished.

  14. Anonymous6:24 PM

    Maybe I should take another look at him. Evidently I missed a lot.


  15. Anonymous6:28 PM

    sorry to say... I know some with strongly disagree, but to me it is a move, am important move to trap trads to bow and stop criticism.
    Although we know being in an altar does not necessarily mean being unquestionable, we know that now on, criticism toward JP II will sound inappropriate toward him and toward the Pope who made it.
    I will probably chose to ignore (not publicly oppose) to this one. But I have a bad feeling about this beato.

  16. Friedelmann6:58 PM

    May the Pastor Angelicus intercede for us poor sinners!

  17. Anonymous7:32 PM

    The proposed Rite of Beatification of John Paul II is in many respects analogus to Pope Sixtus V's venacular translation of the Vulgate. The following brief outline of the events surrounding the magesterial rejection of Sixtus' biblical endeavors is quite relevant, in my opinion.

    Pope Sixtus V was determined to revise the Vulgate himself with the aid of the Spanish Jesuit, Toledo, and the Augustinian, Angelo Rocca. The Pope, in rejecting for the most part the proposed emendations of the Carafa commission, returned to the Louvain text. Likewise, the conventional division of chapters into verses was altered by him. On November 25, 1589, the printing of the Vulgate was finished. The Bible was prefaced by the Bull "Æternus ille celestium" of March 1, 1590, which today is commonly recognized as not having been properly and canonically promulgated. On May 2 it was distributed to the members of the Curia and on May 31 to the Catholic princes. Copies were then also sold to the public. But Pope Sixtus was not content with his new work. He was prepared to print a separate copy of corrigenda so that each one could make his own corrections, but died on August 27, 1590, before completing his task. This Vulgate of Sixtus V was not well received, because it had rejected the advice of the Carafa commission, it had a very sloppy appearance with corrections made by erasures and slips pasted or words stamped over the text, and had changed the conventional order of verse division.32 On September 5, 1590, the sale of the Sistine Bible was forbidden and all available copies were destroyed.

    In February, 1591, Pope Gregory XIV acting upon the advice of St. Robert Bellarmine appointed a fourth commission, but this time for the revision of the Sistine Bible. It consisted of Cardinal Colonna, prefect of the Index Congregation, six other Cardinals (including William Allen), and eleven consultors (including St. Robert Bellarmine). They were all agreed on the following principles of revision: (1) what had been taken away from the text should be restored; (2) what had been added should be removed; (3) what had been changed should be reconsidered or corrected; (4) attention should be paid to punctuation. In the beginning, the work of revision proceeded rather slowly, so that after forty days only the Book of Genesis was completed. A smaller commission, therefore, was entrusted with the completion of the task. The two Cardinals Colonna and Allen together with eight consultors, including St. Bellarmine, retired to Zagarola, the summer home of Cardinal Colonna, and after nineteen days finished the revision on June 23, 1591.33 Due to the untimely death of Pope Gregory XIV the revision could not be immediately published.

    On January 30, 1592, Pope Clement VIII began his pontificate and approved the work of the Gregorian commission. This edition of the Vulgate appeared in folio on November 9, 1592. A second edition in quarto appeared in 1593, and a third edition in 1598. These editions appeared under the name of Sixtus V. There was no Bull as extensive as the "Æternus ille celestium," but only a short one entitled "Cum sacrorum" and dated November 9, 1592. In the year 1604 the name of Clement VIII was added by Robillius of Lyons to that of Sixtus V, and thus our Vulgate in time came to be called the Sistine-Clementine edition.

    Thus, we see that the Sistine Vulgate commission of Cardinal Carafa had as its principal purpose the publication of a critical text carefully edited according to the best manuscripts and original texts. On the other hand, Sixtus V preferred the textus receptus of his time. The Gregorian-Clementine commission sought the via media between the strictly critical and popular text.

    It would seem to me that a analougus outcome can be ascribed to the proposed rite of canonization.

  18. All this hurry and Father Solanus Casey remains a Venerable.

    Things are upside down.

    Like Delphina, I must have missed a lot.

  19. I have to say I was never a big devotee of John Paul even before I discovered the trad-Catholic world, so even though I think it's a little tasteless to see some people in the blogosphere harp about the beatification, I'm at least glad to see that there are those looking at this critically.

    John Paul was a good man and an okay pope, but the cult around his person suggests an agenda to me. And I think legitimate criticisms about his papacy have been whitewashed in order to achieve a swift beatification.

    I imagine this wouldn't be happening so rapidly if the Church had retained the position of the devil's advocate.

  20. Anonymous9:02 PM

    I'd ask everyone here to pray ardently that John Paul the Small not be beatified. Was he a saint? I hope so. I hope that he died in a state of grace. I also think that he likely did. But that does not justify canonisation or beatification. Canonisation is not some 'search and discover' operation designed to compile a list of all those who are in Heaven. Its purpose is to hold up for emulation those saints whose lives were models for the faithful. The pontificate of John Paul II was good in certain respects but especially bad in others. For example, he entirely failed to protect children from the predations of monsters in our priesthood, and he entirely failed and even contributed to widespread liturgical chaos and abuse. The Pope of Assisi and the Pope of rock noise is not a model for popes. It is Pius XII who should be canonised. John Paul II was a holy man but not an expecially good pope. When popes or kings are canonised, it is supposed to be to show how they were models as popes or kings. Many of the relatives of bloggers here are probably saints but none of them will be canonised and nor should they be. Nor should our last pope.


  21. Anonymous9:11 PM

    I think that Hans Küng is so holy that he should be canonised even before he dies. After all, our Lord said that the Kingdom of Heaven is within, and Küng is obvioously living there full time. He could be the very first living saint in a revolutionised canonical system: all dogs go to Heaven in the end.

    The most important thing is that we liberals are an impatient lot. They can't wait for the man actually to die before they join his cult. They have to do it here and now. Never mind the 'Beato'. Absolutely everything must be 'subito' in this fast-food world of instant gratification. The showman pope must be canonised before the lights go down on the show.


  22. Joe B9:25 PM

    The Lefebvre injustice, the Mahoney appointments, alter girls and other liturgical abominations, the lack of strong action against homosexual clergy, the continued disintegration of monasteries and convents on his watch, feminist nuns all over the news, Assisi, the scandalous World Youth Day rock and sex events, all these and many more reasons why many of us recoil at this announcement - they are the very reasons the other side thought him great! A diabolical disorientation, indeed.

    I look at it as a matter of personal sanctity. His work as Pope isn't really the important criteria for getting into Heaven. That would primarily be his personal sanctity, which I certainly have no reason to question.

    The scandal to me is that whereas this should not be taken as an endorsement of his papal policies, it nonetheless will be because the scandals are precisely why they liked him.

  23. Anonymous9:27 PM

    Does anybody recall a World War II-era story that involved the future Pope John Paul II and the Russian Army?

    If I have recalled correctly, our future Pope pursuaded a Russian Red Army officer to spare a Polish village that had been targeted for destruction by the Russian Army.


  24. Joe B9:32 PM

    Hmmm ... P.K.T.P., your 21:02 comments cause me great pause. I withdraw my earlier comment.

  25. Anonymous9:40 PM

    Anon wrote :
    "sorry to say... I know some with strongly disagree, but to me it is a move, am important move to trap trads to bow and stop criticism.
    Although we know being in an altar does not necessarily mean being unquestionable, we know that now on, criticism toward JP II will sound inappropriate toward him and toward the Pope who made it.

    14 January, 2011 18:28"

    Not at all ! Since when being a saint has put Pius V and Pius X off the hook for the libs and neo-modernists ?
    A beatification deals with the man, not the pontificate. Is John Paul II deprived of genuine Christian qualities ? Certainly not. Will the neo-mods applaud "Dominus Iesus" after May 1st 2011 ? I would not put a bet on that.

    That being said, it's ridiculous to have all in a sudden, since Pius XII launched the "fashion", every contemporary pope made a blessed or a saint ... on the immediate waiting list are already : Pius XII himself, Paul VI and John-Paul I.
    Who's next to have a trial opened ? Pius XI ? Pius VII the prisoner of Napoleon ? and what about Leo XIII ?
    The next stage would be making a blessed of all popes at once, santi tutti subito ... like friar Tetzel was preaching the indulgence in early XVIth : one coin in the box and the soul is leaving the purgatory.

    On the same movement, the papal authority is going down, down, down, overtly mocked by priests, bishops, even episcopal conferences (re Austria). A new papal saint is not an adequate response for the crumbling of the sense of "romanitas" among Catholics and in particular the clergy.


  26. Anonymous9:40 PM

    While I surely pray he's in Heaven, please be a little patient with those who are still so scandalized by his horrific reign that they don't share the same enthusiasm.

    My wife, who speaks Polish and grew up being told how wonderful JPII was, when hearing this news she said "Oh no!"

    Does she wish him ill will? Of course not. But she is still so scandalized by his actions that that was her initial reaction.

    You can't blame those of us who still have that feeling with him. On he is to blame.

    God rest his soul.

  27. From Maciel to Mahoney and from Bernadin to systemic liturgical inculturation scandals, this beatification is a scandal in itself and is yet another massive blemish on a pontificate that has done little to restore respect for Catholicism internationally or to reverse the endemic decline of the church almost everywhere. Anyone who really believes in a miracle that even doctors doubt betrays utter naivete. This is shameful manipulation of a process that was gutted by JP II (RIP) himself to facilitate dubious procedures. Beatification & canonisation in the post-conciliar era has become a mass-produced laughing-stock. With another Assisi coming up this demonstrates that the church is in the process of complete confusion.

  28. Anonymous9:55 PM

    Ordained a priest in 2000, I can say that JP II has made my priesthood harder. He preached rather soundly and in some cases quite boldly. But whenever there was a practical decision to follow from that (such as remove a bishop who passes around pedophiles and ordains homosexuals, to excommunicate a pro-abortion politician, to refuse the same a celebratory funeral Mass, to say no to altar girls or Holy Communion in the hand, or the abominations at papal Masses violating liturgical and sometimes moral laws) he virtually always caved. To follow his example would be very easy (many couples come wanting full blown marriage ceremonies despite cohabitation, families ask for all kinds of bizarre things at funerals, little Suzy wants to be a priest one day and serve at Mass) but I don't see that squaring with the Gospel.

  29. Anonymous11:01 PM

    I almost lost my lunch over this news!

    A big mistake....especially when more scandals and abuses and cover-ups are revealed from his reign!

    Real Saints like Ven. Pope Pius XII are ignored while Pop icons like John Paul II get the swift course to beatification.

    A disgrace. An injustice. And it will be revealed to be an embarassment before long!

  30. Anonymous11:11 PM

    This announcement gave me a migraine.

    This is incomprensible.

  31. On January 1, 2011, Pope Benedict XVI announced that, on the 25th anniversary of the visit of Pope John Paul II to Assisi for the meeting of different religious leaders in 1986, he will visit Assisi in October 2011 for a meeting with "Christian brothers of the different confessions, leaders of the world's religious traditions, and, ideally, all men of good will".

    On January 11, Pope Benedict XVI stated: in this year’s Message for World Day of Peace, I identified religious freedom as the fundamental path to peace.

    "The Rite of Beatification of the Venerable Servant of God John Paul II (Karol Wojtyła) will take place in the Vatican, on May 1, 2011"

    Interesting timing.

  32. Anonymous12:15 AM

    Kudos to Father Anonymous of 21:55!

  33. Anonymous12:36 AM

    By reducing the number of miracles required and a propensity to overlook the obvious deviations from doctrine indulged in such as Assisi we are rubber stamping saints.
    I think we should NOT be making any judgements about his sanctity but leaving it for another generation to do the autopsy on his long pontificate.

  34. You know, I'm sure JPII made some mistakes, maybe serious ones.

    But at the end of the day, NO POPE can be holy for each of us. "Every subject's duty is the king's, but every subject's souls his own." As Shakespeare put it.

    Come on! Abusive priests, vacating their vows for a betrayal worthy of Judas, made their own choices. God have mercy on THEIR souls.

    Sure, JPII could have been better in the crack down on such filth.

    However, I have heard Fr. Z say, on good grounds, that JPII was so angry at the American prelates he met after the '02 scandals broke, that they left the room shaking.

    Let's be fair.

  35. Anonymous2:21 AM

    Let's try to look at the bright side: at least it's not Paul VI.

  36. Wow! You guys are unbelievable. Not content with whining and being judgemental about people and events on earth, you're now judging the sanctity of a truly good man. You really do think you've got everything figured out don't you? That's what allows you to second-guess the the Church and the Pope so often.

    Stop wasting your precious time hiding behind a computer screen and spouting uncharitable and ugly comments.

    Dear John Paul II, Bishop of Rome, pray for us!