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The Conciliar "Springtime" reaches its logical end:
No more seminarian formation in Ireland

Following the apostolic visitation to the only seminary in Ireland, Maynooth will cease to exist in its current form (tip: reader; source: The Irish Catholic):
Maynooth College may soon cease to function as a Catholic seminary marking the end of a 200-year-tradition, The Irish Catholic has learned.
The national seminary, which has educated Irishmen for the priesthood since 1795, may be set for closure after the recent Apostolic Visitation by New York's Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan. It is expected the report will recommend that Pope Benedict XVI move all Irish seminarians to a reformed and restructured Pontifical Irish College in Rome.
The historic shift would bring an end to concerns about falling academic standards at Maynooth and claims by some that the college is no longer 'fit for mission'. One senior academic told The Irish Catholic that the Apostolic Visitors were ''appalled'' by some of the standards in Maynooth. Rome would give access to heavyweight universities under direct scrutiny from the Vatican.


  1. Anonymous8:22 PM

    How sad it is to see that a country which, not too long ago, used to flood the United States and other countries with priests is now in this bad of shape.

  2. Thank Almighty God! That place needed to close down!

  3. Yeah, but how good it is to see Ireland's seminarian formation taken away from the incompetents who ran it into the ground and put squarely under the eyes of the Vatican.

  4. Maynooth was once an excellent institution but dropped its standards after Vatican II (see "The Church in Ireland since Vatican II" [The Furrow, December 1979]). Closing it is definitely for the best.

  5. I suppose, it would be also good idea to do the same in Lithuania as well. Alas, but it is true.

  6. Salve Shane!

    I see the document you link to was a publication of an Association called Vexilla Regis - "a society of those who once aspired to the priesthood but withdrew when they realised that God intended them for the secular life." page 50.

  7. Well, to quote a friend of mine, who likes to quote television chef-on-steroids Robert Irvine, "SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN NOW!"

  8. irulats10:01 PM

    We need to pray for the generation of malformed priests it has left in darkness. Most of them never even had vocations. Jesus save us or we perish!

  9. Anonymous10:08 PM

    But, what will they walk into now? Tradition or Conciliar Double-Teach?

  10. Hibernian10:12 PM

    It's incredible news. I can't believe that the Vatican is finally acting to cleanse the Irish Church. It's a tragedy that St. Patrick's College Thurles wasn't kept open instead but it's too late now. I just hope Rome will be an improvement... the Irish College doesn't strike me as being too different from Maynooth. D.V. we'll have a flood of tradition-minded Priests. Unfortunately, we may also have a flood of clericalist Priests too. I just can't believe it. The Vatican is starting to ACT! Hurray!

  11. This is also reflected in Montreal... etc., etc.

  12. Anonymous10:19 PM

    Actually, it is best to close most seminaries.
    The same appaling situation is to be seen in the USA, Great Britian, France, Austria, Germany, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, and now the same rot is filtering down into places like India.

    Thank God this place is closed. Close down Leuvain in Belgium too. The American College there is gone.

    Maynooth had (unbeliveable as it seems), over 1,000 seminarians in the 1950's!! And there were close to 10 other diosecean seminaries in Ireland then....all packed with holy vocations. Convents back then were bursting with novices. Same true in most countries.

    From immediatly after the USA Civil War, up until the 1920's, Ireland exported thousands of priests each year on missions to the USA, as well as Africa, Asia, and Australia.
    The Catholic Church in the USA is largely the work of Irish priests (diosecean and religious), and also Irish nuns ( also smaller numbers of Polish and German nuns....and even small numbers of Italian priests and nuns.)
    The USA hierarchy right after the Civil War, and all the way up until Vatican II, was heavilly of either Irish, or to a lesser degree German heritage.

    That Vatican II and it's deforms would wipe out 200 years of holy service in barely 40 years is surely the sign of the devil!

    The Apostolic visitation was appalled by Maynooth and suggested it be closed. Hopefully let us pray that the Apostolic Visitation from Rome of USA nuns will be appalled by mostly all of those people, and order 95% of them shut down and closed.

    Clean out the Vatican II radical liberal trash, and start over with traditional faithful Catholic religious.
    Unfortunatly, it will take 100 years to repare the 40+ years of damage from Vatican II.
    The announcement yesterday, of a very harsh and necessary mandatory reform of seminary studies, bringing back to importance Philosophy and Metaphysics (de-emphasized after Vatican II of course), is another good step towards discarding the Vatican II rot.

  13. John McFarland10:20 PM

    Archbishop Dolan's involvement is meet and just, because this is all very American.

    The Irish Church is now incapable of educating its one or two prospective priests per annum.

    The answer is to send them to the Roman universities, even though their religious formation in childhood and adolescence must have been equally abysmal. Affirmative action is the American euphemism.

    Assuming that the Roman universities are much better, and that the Irish seminarians can stay the course, best case they will imbibe a more upscale brand of heterodoxy than back home.

    All under the eyes of the Vatican, so that it can watch as the Irish seminarian(s) do as they jolly well please, just like everyone else in the Church except those who cling to the traditional Faith and the traditional Mass.

    Well, at least we can be grateful that thanks to the hermeneutic of reform and continuity, the Holy Father stands shoulder to shoulder with St. Gregory the Great and St. Pius X, mutatis mutandis.

  14. Anonymous10:30 PM

    Seems like a good move to me. It is sad to see a 200 year old institution closed, but sometimes, as Nietzsche said 'that which is falling should be pushed.'

  15. Anonymous10:47 PM

    "under the eyes of the Vatican" is not always a great insurance policy, alas.

    The too famous Gregorian university had Fr. Dupuis sj teaching interfaith nonsense during years ... "under the eyes of the Vatican".
    and it's just one example.

    The Jesuits are supposedly "under the eyes of the Vatican".

    In this case, it may be a real scrutiny and we can pray for it. It's so sad to see the sharp decline of Irish catholicism : if I recall well, there were up to ... 5 seminaries in Ireland not so long ago.

    The FrenChurch paper La Croix is editing a paper on the crumbling of arch-liberal Swedish Lutheran Church.

    The abstract reads : "declining numbers of faithful, closing parishes, financial drop down, Swedish Lutheranism is in search of a surge."

    "It's hard to tell why" (Antoine Jacob, La Croix).
    Sure for a liberal mind it's always "hard" to figure out that liberal christianity is a complete failure. Though history shows this all the time.

    Wether Catholic or Protestant, liberalism is lethal for the faith.


  16. Anonymous10:55 PM

    Considering how bad some of the seminaries still are in the USA, it is hard to fathom how bad Maynooth must be for it to be closed.

    Why close it though? Is it beyond redemption? Aren't there any true Catholics left in Ireland?

    Just another sad statistic and result of the New Springtime.


  17. Very sad indeed. But lets look at the positive side: In 20 years from now, the only Masses that will be celebrated in Ireland will be according to the Extrordinary form.
    Richard Allen Greene in an article titled "Organized religion will be driven toward extinction' in 9 countries, experts predict" recently published writes:
    "Even deeply Catholic Ireland will see religion die out, the model predicts."They've gone from 0.04% unaffiliated in 1961 to 4.2% in 2006, our most recent data point," Abrams says. He admits that the increase in Muslim immigration to Europe may throw off the model, but he thinks the trend is robust enough to withstand some challenges"
    The article can be found at:

  18. John L12:04 AM

    Knowing what many seminaries are like, for the apostolic visitors (not men noted by their traditionalist attitudes to priestly formation) to be 'appalled' by Maynooth means it must be bad beyond description. The fact that something is actually being done about it is cheering, even if what is done is not that great; it is a departure from the usual policy of not doing anything about abuses no matter how bad, unless bad publicity forces you to.

  19. Tom the Milkman12:34 AM

    Absolutely unbelievable what we've come to! Are there truly Catholics still defending the revolution that ravaged the Church? Truly? Indeed many do see, but alas, many want the new religion. The effects of that revolution bleed the very life of the Faith to this day. God help Ireland! God help us.

  20. Anonymous1:13 AM

    I did my studies for the priesthood at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. They taught me (among other things) that Luther was right on all the major issues, that celibacy is long past its sell by date, that Christ didn't know that He was God, that Transubstantiation is a medieval superstition and that the Pope's authority extends to his own diocese of Rome and no further. God help Ireland now

  21. Anonymous3:16 AM

    Too bad the late, great Scottish editor Hamish Fraser didn't live to see this day. He wrote a scathing expose of the heresies that were bring taught at Maynooth 40-plus years ago and called for it to be closed back then. But, of course, our wise bishops knew better.

  22. Hello Tom,

    Absolutely unbelievable what we've come to! Are there truly Catholics still defending the revolution that ravaged the Church?

    But the mantra is still the same as ever: The Revolution stumbled only because it was not pushed far enough.

    They've been repeating long enough that they believe it. Right to the grave.

    Things would would have been difficult for the Church during the Cultural Revolution of the 60's no matter what. But *this* bad?


    The President of the Seminary denies the closure of Maynooth....

  24. The President of the Seminary denies the closure (sic) of Maynooth....

    The report is that the closing of the seminary is being considered or will be recommended. The president claims that report is without foundation. On balance, though, it would seem that there is some sort of foundation.

  25. Tom the Milkman6:09 AM

    The sorrow is that it was not a misguided revolution, we'd only like still to clothe it in some innocence. Sure, innocent Catholics were caught in it - forced to endure it! but it was masterfully guided by men who sought to plant, like a fatal virus, a new ecclesiology in the Roman Church. They succeeded beyond what they could have dreamed. The father of lies still bandies a broad hand the world over with respect to the Holy Sacrifice and holy doctrine. Who would deny it? Now the ancient rite is raised again if not yet flourishing, Roman, codified, impervious to change, a diamond-like manifestation of theology, the Mass that built the West and forged Christendom, not a pandering poseur liturgy made of the conceits of men, and stuffed into Roman churches one Advent Sunday morning like stuffing a turkey. Reformers always regret the inability to do more. The power of holiness inherent in the ancient rite of Sacrifice will yet boost that regret a hundredfold, even as it remakes the world.

  26. Anonymous10:10 AM

    They should close down the Redemptorist Houses in Ireland too. Have a look at what's going on in Ireland these days....

    AND have a look at the so called "future of the church".

    All very depressing indeed!

  27. Anonymous12:43 PM

    What a surprise. Very sad and a true loss for Ireland. Something has to be done that hasn't been in 40 years....These have been the most devastating for the Church, lay people, and vocations. Something is terribly wrong.

  28. Anonymous4:54 PM

    Anon 01:13

    What years did you attend PGU? I ask because many of the seminarians in our diocese go there and are touted as "real traditional". Of course, that could be explained by the fact that our diocese is so far left, these seminarians actually appear traditional.


  29. Anonymous8:24 PM


  30. By contrast, from the SSPX website:

    "St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona, MN ( is overflowing with seminarians, and now faces a difficult decision to accommodate the plentiful harvest of seminarians.

    Should a new seminary be built on land it owns in Virginia? Or should other options be explored?"

  31. Yet another reminder of the liturgical and pastoral bankruptcy of novus ordoism.


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