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According to Die Welt, even a cover letter to the world's bishops, which would be sent out with the eventual motu proprio, "is ready".

Tip: Le Forum Catholique.

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P.S (2350 GMT) Last paragraph:

It has been decided. This is not a systems reboot, as is due with a defunct computer. Benedict XVI returns to the Catholic Church her own standard with this liturgy, a standard which from now on can be compared to the 1969 Novus Ordo decisively. The decision has opened the way to a finger-wrestling full of surprises. After all finger wrestling is a Bavarian speciality.
A translation of the entire article has been posted by Chris Gillibrand.

32 comments:

New Catholic said...

As always, we wish to make clear our great skepticism regarding specific dates or date ranges. This information is made available here for the general record of events

vatspy said...

This is a well-written and impressive article. It has a ring of authority about it. Nor does it specify a date, which is a good sign.

the boy said...

Die Welt is a respectable newspaper too. I'm very much inclined to take it seriously.

John Mastai said...

does the "cover letter" also come with pills and a razor blade?

Anonymous said...

LOL, John.

Peter said...

That's not very nice.

Anonymous said...

VGPOL (**), John.

(GPOL = Very grim pursing of lips)

AM

humboldt said...

I too take the article of the Die Welt as an authoritarive article. Die Welt is a serious german newspaper. Definitely, something has been cooked for the Tridentine Rite, and it is quite problable that it will see the light of day.

Cerimoniere said...

No, it really isn't very nice. However, it points up the following important truth: the loathing of many modernists for traditional Catholicism is so extreme, that they suffer severe emotional shock at signs of its continued vitality. They suggest a personal attack on their entire careers, which can lead to psychosomatic effects or despair.

I have come across a number of instances of such extreme responses. A senior Catholic journalist once told me that a Jesuit theologian, whom he knew well, had been admitted to hospital as a direct result of reading "Dominus Jesus." I confess that I had difficulty not laughing at the time, but he was perfectly serious: his friend had had heart palpitations because the Pope had asserted the unique role of Christ in human salvation.

Similarly, a friend of mine once showed my a letter sent by a lay friend of his to a bishop, who had just granted the first indult for the traditional Mass in his diocese. The thrust of the letter was that the bishop should reverse his decision because of the psychological pain which would be caused to many Catholics, simply by knowing that the traditional liturgy was "out there" somewhere in the diocese.

The point of all this, is that we need to be prepared to counter some truly extreme responses when the Motu Proprio is published. There will be some astonishing public outpourings of bile. Those of us involved in the counter-revolution on the parish and diocesan level will probably encounter irrationality on a high level, as we work for the document's implementation. We must be prepared.

humboldt said...

Cerimoniere, indeed I laughed too reading your posting, but it does not demerit the truth of it. These people are just "modernist" fanatics, modern times Ayatollas. Who knows perhaps we will see an attempt on Pope Benedict XVI's life, just as that crazy Spaniard "traditional" priest performed in the 1980's, if Pope Benedict XVI really frees the Tridentine Rite. All in all fanatics and plain criminals.

Der_Tommissar said...

Peter said...

That's not very nice.

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But it sure as heck is appropriate!

vatspy said...

On a very serious note, let's pray that an attempt is not made on the Pope's life before the document appears; and in general, let's pray for him to have the strength to face down all his foes. He is a wonderful man, but he faces enormous opposition.

Hebdomadary said...

One would think that the best way for the Holy Father to mitigate any attempt on his life before the document appears would be for him to publish it immediately.

Cerimoniere said...

I should make clear that I didn't actually laugh at the time, Humboldt; it just cost me a great effort of will not to do so! In fact, it is terribly sad that truth, goodness and beauty can cause such horror in anyone.

The exhortations to pray for the Holy Father are very well taken. The evil one doubtless brings pressure to bear on him that we can hardly contemplate.

Dominus conservet eum...

Anonymous said...

Now in May?

http://michaeldubruiel.blogspot.com/

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley said...

This is a curious thread.

Obumbra said...

Hurry up and wait . . . Once again it appears that the dark smoke of Satan is thickening in the sanctuary of God. The Holy Father has many human enemies of great influence as we all know. But there is also a darker force at work with which human forces cooperate (albeit unwittingly at times). Satan would not be pleased if this long awaited MP is released; so many souls will be enlightened and brought back to the faith via the truth and beauty and goodness of the ancient rites. We must not forget the many requests form Our Blessed Lady to pray for the Church and the Holy Father. Now it is most urgent that we do so.

I am often amazed to see the reaction of various prelates in the curia, bishops, and fellow priests, throughout the US, acting as if the ancient liturgy were a force to be trampled underfoot. The classical rites are, after all, the same liturgical expressions in which many of us have been formed prior to our ordination and/or consecration. Yet in this case seeing is believing. We must pray that those in the hierarchy who are resistant to Tradition will not stifle the Holy Spirit or the Holy Father.

Often I have been greatly hurt, by the harshness and mean-spiritedness of the liberal forces (fellow priests, superiors and bishops included). I also have been mightily disappointed at the seemingly lack of response from Rome given the open dissent of so many. But Christ will safeguard the Tradition of the Church in spite of those misguided and sometimes-cruel shepherds. We must not loose hope; Christ has already won the victory. Pray. After all, even if the MP were to be released in the near future, (which is highly doubtful) there is still the danger that the bishops will openly oppose it, or as is more often the case, simply ignore it and not let it take effect in their dioceses.

Keep praying to God. Ask your Bishops for the Traditional rite and support the Bishops that allow it. May our hope, be not once again smashed against the stones of liberalism’s triumph and Satan’s tyrannical grasp.

humboldt said...

Cerimoniere, actually I laughed because the proposition is so far fetched that it could only be considered as a joke, but it is a tragic joke because it is true. It is perfectly possible, that there could an open rebellion against the liberalization of the Tridentine Rite, or attemps to thwart the liberalization. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if a crazy catholic ayatollah would rise up and try to physically harm Pope Benedict XVI, if he truly liberates the Tridentine Rite.

The Jon Sobrinos and the like are abundant in the clergy, and I am sure that beneath the public eye they could very well be preaching hate against the Holy Father, or in the typical catholic culture of conspiracy, conspire to block or thawrt the liberalization of the Tridentine Rite.

These criminals exist in the Catholic Church, and among cardinals too. If there have been homosexual cardinals, like the previous Archbishop of Vienna, then anti-papist cardinals can very well exist, and I am sure they do.

There is a lot of filth in the clergy, as the then Cardinal Ratzinger publicly acknowledged in the Via Crucis of 2005.

A sublevation of the modernist clergy can occur, lead by some crazy bishop or cardinal.

The Holy Father has to be very aware of the modernist Ayatollahs in the clergy.

Obumbra said...

AMEM . . . Well said, Hombolt. Rebellion is in the nature of liberalism. All one has to do is look at our Catholic history and see that corruption has been entrenched in every time and place (though some periods are far worse than others).

Our own time marks a deadly kind of corruption--- a subtle corruption under the guise of catagorical imparitives, inclusivity, and political correctness. The disidence is often hidden but strongly working behind the seens as we have seen under the so-call "pastoral" Vatican Council II. This council thwarted tradition and any attempts from loyal men to preserve the integrit and precicenss of the previous 1400 years.

However, I do think you give the opponents too much credit. I don't think they would actually love the Church enough to leave her; after all, they can continue to subvert and corrupt far more effectively within Her walls.

What is more, they would never break away from Mother Church as power is a key motive and aim in their attacks. If they leave Mother Church, their power is gone.

This result seems most ironic when they work so hard to undermine the very institution that gave them such power. Liberalism devours its own mother.

humboldt said...

Obumbra, I never said that the modernist rebellion would leave the Church. This is impossible. As you say their power lays in being in the Catholic Church, without it they cannnot exist. But they will certainly try to block the liberalization, and they have the means to do this: the seminaries and noviciates are their dens, where they find shelter and finance to continue in their subvertive stategy. Vatican II allowed the modernist to gain a stronghold in the seminaries and novitiates. This is where they can prosper, even though Rome "condemns", but tolerates subversion. Paul VI and his succesors allowed the modernist to dwell in the innersmost of the Catholic Church, where they can harm the most: in the seminaries and novitiates.

Anonymous said...

The latest is that the Pope said, "it may" not "in May" with regard to the release of the MP.

Gillibrand said...

I think they were talking in German or possibly French

Obumbra said...

Humbuldt
thanks for the clarification . . .

Hebdomadary said...

Last week a friend of mine mistook the Motu Proprio Random Date Generator on the Curt Jester blog for an announcement of the release date in May! That's how easily confused rumours can get started!! :-)

Anonymous said...

I agree about B16-He is by no means Pope St Pius X, but he is not the radical Rahner lover he was 40 years ago either

I think he has come full circle and if his brand of Catholicism was implemented in 1965 and onward instead of John XXIII and JPII, you would not have this loss of faith

Thomas Shawn said...

In the same way that 1965-1969 was full of social upheaval (due, mainly, to the diminishing number of Masses), the same upheaval may remanifest itself as the total number of Masses on a daily basis increases exponentially.

Certainly, most American Bishops will do everything to quash the MP as they did Ecclesia Dei.

Hebdomadary said...

Thomas Shawn: re: the years 1965-69:

I'm 44, but I have believed from youth that youth is empty of experience, knowledge or authority. The continuing cult of youth for its own sake, is just a way to attempt to circumvent the authority of a collective Catholic experience much older than any single generation. Martin Mosebach, in his excellent book "The Heresy of Formlessness," publicly draws the connection of said cult to the Cultural Revolution in China during the same period. This was not a local event. It coincided with youth movements all around the world, and when the youth movement in the United States got to the point of threatening the political base, a message was sent at Kent State University. There would be no political revolution, as such, in the US. But the social upheaval continues to this day, and a return to the Traditional mass on the part of the Roman Catholic Church would do much to quieten and quell it. Not so much at first, but gradually and inexorably. The reason my own mother never converted to Catholicism is her conservative feeling of social and cultural betrayal on the part of the church in abandoning the external centrality of its position of support in our western civilization, a position Mother Church continues to abdicate, at least liturgically. But we are a ritualistic species, and liturgical ritual counts deeply in how we perceive our civilization and our roles in it. Whether it's a fight in the catacombs or a fight out in the open, we're headed for a fight, and they may guns like they did at Kent State. So be prepared...to be brave.

Hebdomadary said...

Thomas Shawn: re: the years 1965-69:

I'm 44, but I have believed from youth that youth is empty of experience, knowledge or authority. The continuing cult of youth for its own sake, is just a way to attempt to circumvent the authority of a collective Catholic experience much older than any single generation. Martin Mosebach, in his excellent book "The Heresy of Formlessness," publicly draws the connection of said cult to the Cultural Revolution in China during the same period. This was not a local event. It coincided with youth movements all around the world, and when the youth movement in the United States got to the point of threatening the political base, a message was sent at Kent State University. There would be no political revolution, as such, in the US. But the social upheaval continues to this day, and a return to the Traditional mass on the part of the Roman Catholic Church would do much to quieten and quell it. Not so much at first, but gradually and inexorably. The reason my own mother never converted to Catholicism is her conservative feeling of social and cultural betrayal on the part of the church in abandoning the external centrality of its position of support in our western civilization, a position Mother Church continues to abdicate, at least liturgically. But we are a ritualistic species, and liturgical ritual counts deeply in how we perceive our civilization and our roles in it. Whether it's a fight in the catacombs or a fight out in the open, we're headed for a fight, and they may guns like they did at Kent State. So be prepared...to be brave.

Hebdomadary said...

Thomas Shawn: re: the years 1965-69:

I'm 44, but I have believed from youth that youth is empty of experience, knowledge or authority. The continuing cult of youth for its own sake, is just a way to attempt to circumvent the authority of a collective Catholic experience much older than any single generation. Martin Mosebach, in his excellent book "The Heresy of Formlessness," publicly draws the connection of said cult to the Cultural Revolution in China during the same period. This was not a local event. It coincided with youth movements all around the world, and when the youth movement in the United States got to the point of threatening the political base, a message was sent at Kent State University. There would be no political revolution, as such, in the US. But the social upheaval continues to this day, and a return to the Traditional mass on the part of the Roman Catholic Church would do much to quieten and quell it. Not so much at first, but gradually and inexorably. The reason my own mother never converted to Catholicism is her conservative feeling of social and cultural betrayal on the part of the church in abandoning the external centrality of its position of support in our western civilization, a position Mother Church continues to abdicate, at least liturgically. But we are a ritualistic species, and liturgical ritual counts deeply in how we perceive our civilization and our roles in it. Whether it's a fight in the catacombs or a fight out in the open, we're headed for a fight, and they may guns like they did at Kent State. So be prepared...to be brave.

Jordan Potter said...

John Thavis of CNS says the Motu Proprio will be released "sometime soon."

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0701785.htm

Jordan Potter said...

Sorry, the ".htm" got cut off of that URL.

www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0701785.htm

Anonymous said...

Amazing that the Vicar of Christ is scared of what his supposed infallibility when it comes to faith and morals will cause with respect to the heretical bishops and Cardinals that look over their little fiefdoms and collect their monies

As a devout Catholic, one must actually wonder not only if Vatican II was infallible (90% sure it is not) but now Vatican I which the church only took 1870 years to get around to declaring papal infallibility