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For the Record:
Fellay: Motu Proprio "probably at the end of the year, or even later"

Some information gathered from a sermon by the Superior General of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX/SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay (the French audio file is available at DICI, the FSSPX's news agency), at a Mass after the consecration of an altar in Lausanne, Switzerland, on April 29, 2007:

The Motu Proprio "is a strong wish of Benedict XVI, and it is probable that the text will at last arrive". When? "In May", possibly, but "most probably at the end of the year, or even later".
Fellay also affirms that the Pope would have been sent a letter by all German Bishops which could be summed up as: "We do not want a Motu Proprio".

28 comments:

Trad-Knight-of-the-Immaculata said...

The German Bishops are in apostasy if they have essentially preemptively disobeyed the Pope. This is a sad day indeed.

Marty said...

we'll be right.
May the 4th be with you

Bonagratia said...

How is the health of Pope Benedict XVI doing? Is there any actuarial evaluation as to whether he will live long enough to see the motu proprio published?

Anonymous said...

Dooh...

"In May" ... or...."at the end of the year"... or...."even later"...

One day...

Ooh, I knew: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father...

Andrew said...

"But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3: 8)

Kopp said...

This is an important update, thanks for being on top of this!

So, even Bp. Fellay is confirming the existence of the Motu Proprio.

Will this be enough to placate the those who are still ranting that it does not exist?

Patrick Archbold said...

Let's not go wobbly just yet.

I cannot help but wonder whether Bishop Fellay really knows any more than we do since he says 'Perhaps in May'. Might just be lowering expectations

Then again, I have been wrong before.

Kopp said...

What is the MP really anyway? Allow some priest to say the TLM without the approval of the Bishop? Great move, and how many priests even know Latin?????

Ahh, yes, the textbook trad motard:

"I've got my ghetto trad Catholicism, leave me alone and the rest of you be damned."

Jordan Potter said...

Trad-Knight, when bishops disobey the Pope, they commit the sin (or risk committing the sin) of schism, not apostasy.

As for Bishop Fellay's comments, I doubt he has any inside information. Cardinal Kasper has publicly affirmed to a group of German Jews that the decision the Pope has made (past tense) cannot be unmade. That can only mean the Motu Proprio has already been signed.

Also, Alice von Hildebrand has clarified that the Pope did not specify the date of May 5 when she asked him when he would make the Motu Proprio public. Rather, she says he told her "in May." So if its not on May 5, there are still nearly four weeks before we could falsify what Alice von Hildebrand says.

"Would you all wake up and smell the coffee? B16 is a modernist as he has just done away with limbo"

Really? When did he do that?

"and is now asking the bishops to retranslate the bible for the 5th time or so since Vatican II to make it less offensive to Jews."

Really? When did he do that?

"Soon the church will have the Sweedes or some other Nordic country responsible for our Lords death to appease the Jews in the name of Ecumenism."

Well, if you think about it, there was a Nordic country last century that attempted to exterminate all of the blood relations of Jesus because that nation had brought us the Catholic faith. So in a sense a Nordic country really is responsible for crucifying our Lord.

By the way, when the Church interacts with Jews, it is "interreligious," not "ecumenical." When the Church interacts with non-Catholic Christians, that is "ecumenism." In any case, I do hope you don't believe that being Jewish makes someone uniquely responsible for Christ's death.

"What is the MP really anyway?"

It's an act of papal legislation issued on his own initiative that has the immediate force of canon law.

"Allow some priest to say the TLM without the approval of the Bishop? Great move, and how many priests even know Latin?????"

The Church allows priests in the U.S. to say Mass in English even though there aren't very many of them who know English, so why not let them say Mass in Latin even if they don't know Latin?

"Find your nearest traditional church and wait until the eclipse is over and stop being taken for a fool."

Sure thing -- as long as the church is in full, visible communion with the Pope and is completely and unambiguously obedient to him.

techno_aesthete said...

motard - is that a combination of "Motu Proprio" and "retard"?

Kopp said...

motard - is that a combination of "Motu Proprio" and "retard"?

A motard is any Catholic who, after the publication of the Motu Proprio, refuses to acknowledge either its existence, its pragmatic necessity, or its potential for good in the Church and the salvation of many souls.

Click my display name for links for more information ;-)

Anonymous said...

I dont trust this story at all. Maybe in May OR maybe by the end of the year or longer? WHAT kind of information is that? Its like giving a ball park figure with the margin of error at 100%.

But at this point I will take any news I can get, lies, rumors, whatever as long as the MP issue comes or has said to have come from someone "important"

John L said...

Of course the French and German bishops are already in apostasy, and have been for at least forty years - they were the driving force behind the evils of the Council (not that I am claiming that everything about the Council was evil, only that it involved evils, and they they were behind it). The French bishops notoriously promulgated a catechetical program that suppressed essential teachings of Christianity (let alone the true Catholic version of Christianity) and ordered that all other catechetical materials be suppressed. Perhaps other readers can give examples of similiar actions by the German bishops. That's why they are opposing the motu proprio. I suspect a big problem with the Pope is that he cannot bring himself to accept that these bishops are really determined enemies of the Catholic faith, and so he lets his actions be influenced by them - instead of drawing the conclusion that if they oppose something it is probably good and should be done.

Fr V said...

I have heard that Alice von Hildebrand was told by the Pope that the motu proprio would come out in May.

Nicola said...

The date of the Motu Proprio:
The Twelfth of Never

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley said...

I just do not understand how one can make a charge of apostasy perfidae and then ask for evidence to support the charge. What's this, the Queen of Hearts School of Jurisprudence?

I don't care how many articles of the faith they have rejected (unless they reject such articles so they have assented to naturalism or materialism or paganism) it does not **necessaily** make them apostates, but formal and material heretics.

You think no one is listening to your accusations before the throne day and night?

Long-Skirts said...

Simon-Peters-Vickers... says:

"All" the German Bishops? "All"? Hardly likely! ROFL. Further, the fact that that Bishop Fellay affirms the existence of the MP moves me about as much as a placebo laxative."
THE LILY
NO BURNING, TEARING,
SCOURGING SKIN.
IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL,
ALL WITHIN.

NO ROTTING FLESH
OR PUTRID BLOOD
IT'S STERILE, CLEAN
NO RANCID CRUD

FOR BUTCHERED, TORTURED,
BOUND UP SKINS,
REVEALS THE TRUTHS
OF BISHOPS’ SINS.

THEY WANT IT NICE,
THEY WANT IT HUSHED,
WITH VEINS OF ICE
GOOD SOULS ARE CRUSHED.

THE SILENT COLD,
IS BETTER, YET,
FROZEN, SOLID,
CAN'T BEGET.

FOR MARTYRED BLOOD
REVEALS THE CHURCH,
BLIND SOULS SEE TRUTH
AND END THEIR SEARCH.

"WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!"
THE BISHOPS' SAY.
"SO LET'S IGNORE...
THEY'LL GO AWAY."

"ENLIGHTENED MEN,
DON'T SCOURGE THE SKIN.
ENLIGHTENED MEN,
KEEP BLOOD, WITHIN."

BUT THEY FORGOT...
THE WOMAN BLEEDS,
AND MONTHLY, MAKES
A BED FOR SEEDS.

WHERE "NICE" AND "HUSHED"
THEY'LL GROW TO MEN
AND SEIZE THE OARS
FROM WRISTS THAT BEND...

ON PETER'S BARK
WHERE BLOOD STILL FLOWS,
FROM WOMAN'S WOMB...
THE LILY GROWS!

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley said...

Now, you see, that makes no sense to censor the first post I made.

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley said...

You know, your "poetry" is tiresome; it isn't clever, it isn't good, it possesses a consistent and consitently dreary verse form: it isn't even bad satire, just bile and bitterness. Perhaps if you tried a little harder you might produce a decent epigram, but I doubt it.

Jordan Potter said...

"Now, you see, that makes no sense to censor the first post I made."

Yes, especially since you had complimented me on my earlier post. People who agree with me shouldn't be censored! ;-)

Dr. Scholl said...

Bsp. Fellay does NOT acknowledge the existence of anything, Kopp. Like many of us, he is hopeful that the text will be promulgated, but not pinning his hopes on it. He is actually doing something, rather than hanging on every rumor like a junior-high girl.

Long-Skirts said...

Simon-Peter Vicker-Buckley said:

"the fact that that Bishop Fellay affirms the existence of the MP moves me about as much as a placebo laxative."

Oh...that's why you're so full of it!!

I am not Spartacus said...

motard - is that a combination of "Motu Proprio" and "retard"?

A motard is any Catholic who, after the publication of the Motu Proprio, refuses to acknowledge either its existence, its pragmatic necessity, or its potential for good in the Church and the salvation of many souls.

OK, then. I am definitely retarded because I think Holy Mother Church already has a Mass which is a pragmatic necessity, a good of the Church and the source of salvation for many souls.

However, dumb as I am, I think "motard" is an insult directed at the vast majority of your brothers and sisters in the Body of Christ.

If this is a result of traditionalism, who needs traditionalism ?

I'll remain a Christian Catholic.

If you do get the MP (and if the Pope promulgates it I am in favor of it) I hope that will encourage you to abandon the insults. Jesus loves everyone in His Church, even us retarded Christians.

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley said...

About as full as a person who continues to imagine anyone is interested in her childish screed and thinks when I end a post "agent provocateur I am referring to myself" rather than those who - by trying to sow dissension - are encouraging Catholics to incriminate themselves before God and to condone the very things they themselves accuse others of.

Only someone as proud (and ignorant) as yourself could have taken it be a case of self-referral.

Anonymous said...

Alas . . . I wish I were more hopeful. A friend of mine a few years ago left and became a Greek Orthodox priest, only to discover that his new found home too has its problems. Their are times when his congragation gathers and the people cannot even respond to the Divine Liturgy. They, like us, will be in bad shape when the "Great Genertion of Faithful" finally pass on into enternity.

Because of all the so-called delay after delay, the bishops know they can stay the hand of the Holy Father and feel they can do this long enough untill the evil MP passes into nothingness.

I am now at a complete loss of hope for change. I truly want to enjoy the old rite . . . I suppose the only thing left for me to do is to find some Tridentine order and find shelter in the shadow of God's wings . . . Any word of Encouragement? Pray for me?

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley said...

Here's a word of encouragement:

do you think God made an error in placing you in this time? Do you think he has NOT - by placing you in this time and your location, and ordering all the things of your life - given you the best chance you have of saving your soul and giving Him Glory? Did He make a mistake with you? Do you think He has sold you short, that you would have had a better chance of sanctity if He had created you (and led you to be Catholic) for 17th century Florence? 18th Century Nagasaki? 16th Century Goa?

Anonymous said...

Simon-Peter Vickers-Buckley

Thanks for the of encouragement. I'ts easy to loose sight of the big picture when you want things done in your time and not in God's time. It's just that the liturgy of 1962 is my passion and being able to celebrate is as a priest has been such a blessing to me and my priesthood. Now my Bp my take it away my indult . . . the devil hates when I celebrate this mass... It truly is his scourge. Thus the negitivism. God's will be done.

Anonymous said...

With or without a MP, it will come. More and more priests and religious orders that celebrate the Traditional Mass are around. A good thing cannot be crushed or hidden. Objectively, the Traditional Mass is the Mass of the Catholic Church, and will not disappear. God is in charge of this and it WILL happen, we just have to pray for Gods will in all things. If you go to most Traditional chapels, they are mainly young families with many children, the future of the Church. Interesting what one posted about the Greek Orthodox. I am a convert from the Greek Orthodox to Catholicism, and one concern I had was how their Liturgy is being ruined by their secular minded priests. They have a very empty shell at this point. Their is devotion, but mainly from the old who are dying out and from converts. The Greeks have reproductive lives like the Protestants, if you know what I mean. Self destruction!!