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Urgent news: Bertone confirms Motu proprio [yet again, and shortly]

Secretary of State Cardinal Bertone, in the last question of the interview granted to this Sunday's issue of the semi-official daily of the Italian Episcopal Conference (CEI), Avvenire:

[Avvenire:] Your Eminence, please allow me two other questions. Is the announced letter of the Pope to the Chinese Catholics ready?

The text of the letter has been definitively approved by the Holy Father and now the various translations and technical aspects of its publication are being prepared.

[Avvenire:] And the equally expected motu proprio which would liberalize the use the the Missal said of Saint Pius V, at what stage is it?

I believe one will not wait long to see it published. The Pope is personally interested that this should take place. He will explain it in his accompanying letter, expecting a serene reception.
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[Literal translation]

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Classic line: "He expects a serene reception"... Here read:... or else!

Alex Benziger. G said...

Sir,
We the catholic lay people waiting for the Heavenly Mass

Anonymous said...

Would this be released "publically" or would it first be sent to all bishops?

Anonymous said...

I have a feeling that the quote "He expects a serene reception" means that Pope Benedict XVI has just about had it with the objections, the whinning, the threats, the underhanded tricks from Bishops, dissenting priests, nuns, and lay groups, anti-TLM lobbyists, liturgical experts, ecumenists, Jewish groups, etc.
Other than the Jews (whose objections were noted but will not derail the return of the TLM, nor will they derail the eventual canonization of Pope Pius XII the Great), all the groups objecting, protesting, and trying to stir up trouble I believe are in for the surprise of their lives disiplinary wise. As much as Benedict XVI is described as "genteel" or "a gentleman" or a "quiet scholar", He also has a temper (I've read that he is throughly displeased with three Cardinals in the Curia... Arinze, Levada, and Re) and is not above sacking them without notice.
Look for the objectors in the Curia at least (and maybe some bishops too), to be unceremoniously re-assigned if they raise objections.

Linda Robinson said...

My guess is that something has already been sent to the bishops and that the flak we have been reading about is the initial response; surely these confrontations weren't sparked by blogsphere rumors, eh?

The USCCB's offical new source has run five stories on the motu in the past three months so it's not like the motu is being sprung on them out of nowhere -- unless they ignore their own news sources the same way they ignore documents from Rome (not all of them but the exceptions are so few, one could -- and should -- cry).

Whatever the case, may *soon* be soon! God bless Benedict XVI and every obedient bishop; and may He bless and keep the disobedient ones....far away from us. "

humboldt said...

"The Pope is personally interested that this should take place."

This is of the most importance.

May all the church: in heaven, in purgatory and militant, pray for the Holy Father.

New Catholic said...

The "Cuban question", though altogether interesting, is not related to the two topics of this post (the letter to China and the Motu proprio).

alsaticus said...

Anonymous wrote :

"Look for the objectors in the Curia at least (and maybe some bishops too), to be unceremoniously re-assigned if they raise objections"

yes I wish but ... cardinal Levada was the 1st papal choice and I know loudly objecting bishops who have been PROMOTED recently by ... pope Benedict XVI.
So do not expect much disciplinary actions, even if they are so badly needed.

Anonymous said...

This is very enlightening news. The time frame appears to be within the next month or so. I know we hear this EVERY month, but clearly the intensity is growing, after all, isnt this the second confirmation by Bertone in the last 30 days?

As long as the news is coming in I am fine with that.

Doubting Thomas said...

Calm down chaps - in view of what Bertone told le Figaro in March it's difficult to see what other answer he could have given to this question, and what he does say adds nothing substantive to what he said then.

Leo Wong said...

This makes doubting thomas 1 out of 11.

Anonymous said...

Although this is good news, I expect that many of the local bishops will make it difficult to implement.

I think that appointing more orthodox & courageous bishops matters more than the MP. If we had them we wouldn't even need the MP.

j hughes dunphy said...

Dear Rorate:
This is the greatest of news: we should all applaud this holy Roman Orthodox Catholic pontiff, for this
one decree alone will make him, in my mind, the greatest Vicar of Christ in a hundred or more years, since the most holy Pope Pius X. In fact, he is up against greater odds and will be rightfully canonized the day after his holy passing for he shall be so fragrant with the odor of sanctity that his funeral will be a veritable flower garden of holiness!

This will be jubilation unchained for all traditional Roman Catholics, Pius X, and all the rest of the suffering religious and holy priests who have been ever so faithful and patient for the last forty years to Holy Mother Church after the wreckage following Vatican II and the "Novus Ordo Missae."

God bless this glorious website and all of its esteemed contriubtors and lovers of Roman Catholic Orthodoxy in the liturgy!
j hughes dunphy
http://www.theorthodoxromancatholic.com

Anonymous said...

At this pope's age, death is a pressing concern. There have been many good popes and some very bad popes through the ages. I'm sure there are even a few popes in hell. Hell lasts forever. Forever is longer than any of us can imagine with our finite senses and worldly inclinations. Forever is longer than all of the sands on all of the oceans in the world even if each piece of sand equaled a billion years. That would be a second of eternity's time. Of course, God is outside of time. But, nevertheless, those of us unfortunate enough to go to hell will be there for eternity. There will be no succor; there will be no quenching of the thirst for God, because hell is, first and foremost, an eternal separation from God. Which leads to the post infra: We do not know how Benedict XVI stacks-up in God's eyes. "To more who are given, more are expected." Popes--and Bishops--are expected to harbingers of God's will on earth. Woe to those who thwart that will because of personal pride, etc....

Jordan Potter said...

There are some who will refuse to believe the Motu Proprio has been released even if they attend the press conference at the Vatican announcing it. They will go on believing that Cardinal Bertone is lying, or that there is a crucial part of the Motu Proprio that has still not been released, contrary to Our Lady's wishes.

;-)

humboldt said...

"There are some who will refuse to believe the Motu Proprio has been released even if they attend the press conference at the Vatican announcing it. They will go on believing that Cardinal Bertone is lying, or that there is a crucial part of the Motu Proprio that has still not been released, contrary to Our Lady's wishes."

LOL ¡This is insane! Althought it is very probable to happen. Fanatics are everywhere. ;-)

Anonymous said...

I´m hoping for a release on Corpus Christi Day; failing that, I bet on the anniversary of the Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei adflicta, and, if that fails too, then I suppose we must swallow our disappointment and pray not later than on the feast of St. Pius X (a release on that feast day would be an olive-branch gesture, but also could give the wrong emphasis on the SSPX, when the universal indult is meant for the wider commuinity of those attached to the Classic Liturgy, and for the good of the whole of the Latin Church).

Anonymous said...

"There are some who will refuse to believe the Motu Proprio has been released even if they attend the press conference at the Vatican announcing it. They will go on believing that Cardinal Bertone is lying, or that there is a crucial part of the Motu Proprio that has still not been released, contrary to Our Lady's wishes."

"LOL ¡This is insane! Althought it is very probable to happen. Fanatics are everywhere. ;-)"

Yeah, right, because Pope and Curia, after all, are (fearlessly) in the business of contradicting the wishes of Heaven's glorious Mistress, the Mother of the Living God. That's right. :)

Anonymous said...

Someone over on Angelqueen said:

“When asked about the letter to Chinese Catholics, Cardinal Bertone is quite specific:

Cardinal Bertone wrote:
The text of the letter has been definitively approved by the Holy Father and now the various translations and technical aspects of its publication are being prepared.

But turning to the MP, it gets a bit fuzzier:

Cardinal Bertone wrote:
I believe one will not wait long to see it published. The Pope is personally interested that this should take place. He will explain it in his accompanying letter, expecting a serene reception.

The difference in tone is striking.”

For me too, the more I think about Carindal Bertone’s interview, the more I think that the MP will be released either at the same time as the letter to China or afterward. As Fr. Z has remarked, I think the two documents are somehow connected. That would explain the Cardinal’s statements.
And so, my question is..

Is it true that the Patriotic Church in China only says the TM? If so, perhaps we can start putting the pieces together...

dcs said...

Is it true that the Patriotic Church in China only says the TM?

No, it is not true. They used to say the traditional Mass and now they say the Novus ordo.

Anonymous said...

The linkage between the SSPX and the Chinese Patriotic Church was already noted by Bishop Fellay in an interview last year. He had indicated that the SSPX would find itself in a canonical situation similar to the Chinese Church if the Excommunications are lifted. It is reasonable to assume that whatever is contained in the letter to the Chinese will have some application to the situation of the SSPX.

schoolman

humboldt said...

It would be an infamy if after the publication of the document any bishop or priest raises their voices condeming the action of the Pope.

What is Levada doing in the Vatican?

If he had a drop of decensy he shouldn't have accepted the post. But Levada is very symtomatic of the kind of people that a running the U.S. Catholic Church: a complete shame.

But the greed for power is more powerful than the greed for money and deadliest.

Mr. Nobody. said...

Anon: posting viz. Angelqueen.

I just got word from a friend of mine who spent some years in the PRC. She informed me that she was discouraged from assisting at any "underground" Masses...NOT by the government, but by the "underground Church" as she would do nothing but attract attention. For two years she assisted at patriotic Church masses offered by Archbishop Li, who is actually recognized by Rome. She told me that for the first couple of years, the priests all faced East,then it changed... but it was Novus Ordo, but very "traditional", sometimes in Latin, but usually in Chinese.

She did not answer the question I put to her about general practices of the patriotic church. I put the question to her again and am waiting for a reply. BTW, this is all pretty recent stuff.

Anonymous said...

you know what's funny with the liberals who say that VII has brought the laity closer to the mass?

The opposite is true! VII has created a Johnny Carson show to most parishes where once the priest and laity together faced Christ in the Sacrifice of the mass!

Now, the Priest is a big performer who faces the people and entertains; leaving most people scratching their heads as to why the priest is even there, unless the priest is just a stage performer (an honest question....)

The 9th Viscount Vickers-Buckley. said...

The reponse to the Mass in China was: I don't know, I was very limited to where I could go and what I could do. I cannot speak generally. All I can say is that where I was it was Novus Ordo, but very respectful.

I can't even ask the question on my own blog anymore ( I used to get a lot of hits from China for some reason) as that great firewall thing blocked me shortly after I put links up to the Church in Hong Kong a few weeks ago.

Anonymous said...

Time is up for the experiment, and let us hear the mass and obtain the graces the world deserves.