Rorate Caeli

Excommunications lifted before the end of autumn

From the semi-official daily of the French Episcopate, La Croix (October 9, 2007):

[At a conference at Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet, on October 5] The head of the Lefebvrists [Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior-General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X - FSSPX/SSPX] also hopes that the excommunications pronounced in 1988, at the moment of the illicit episcopal ordinations in Écône, will soon be lifted. "Maybe from now to the end of autumn."

Also in Tuesday's edition of La Croix, Isabelle de Gaulmyn reports in the main article:

Due to these difficulties in the application of the text [of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum], the commission Ecclesia Dei is considering the elaboration of a directive which may detail the forms of application. And the Pope could celebrate the Mass in the Extraordinary, that is pre-Conciliar, Roman Rite soon.

We would add that there is no explicit mention of the use of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite in any of the public Masses in the Pope's calendar of celebrations up to January 2008, updated this Wednesday.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

again, in my opinion, ridiculous rumours. quite possibly irresponsible journalism.

Anonymous said...

Let's get that rumor mill churning. If it follows the pattern of the MP, maybe we'll see the excommunications lifted in about three years.

Anonymous said...

"Let's get that rumor mill churning. If it follows the pattern of the MP, maybe we'll see the excommunications lifted in about three years."

Yes, but if it follows the patter of the "doctrinal dialogue between Rome and Econe" then we will not see the excomunications lifeted in about three years.

Who knows? in three years BXVI may not be with us anymore.

New Catholic said...

Give me a break... This is not a "rumor". This was said by Fellay himself and published by the most important Catholic periodical in France, the unofficial voice of the French Episcopate.

It does not follow that it will happen in the predicted time frame, since only God Himself is in control of the many variables involved - but please let us use the word "rumor" for actual rumors, not for documented reports from trustworthy sources.

LeonG said...

Considering that post-conciliar church is alive with philosophies and doctrines that flagrantly breech the consistent magesterial teachings of Pope St Pius X, SSPX should not realistically need to concern themselves about the "excommunications" from a papacy which was busily inculturating the mutant novus ordo liturgy with a plenitude of illicit un-Catholic behaviours and leading the flock into potential schism with its immanentist interreligious pantheistic antics. It is significant that the centenary of Pascendi has been treated with characteristic inert collegial silence. How could the enemy be expected to contradict & condemn itself by so doing? Take for just one example, the de facto schismatic Niderauer, who should be excommunicated as well if there were an authentic sense of Roman Catholic justice in the modern church which there is not. He pratices a neomodernist version of faith which conflicts in almost every sense with the saint pope's condemnation of modernism.

The "excommunications" of SSPX bishops is a risible issue. Though not being part of the fraternity myself, it is perhaps understandable why they should want this stigma removed. However, from a purely objective point of view, if they are excommunicants and SSPX is schismatic, which we know by an informed sensus catholicus they are not in essence and SSPX itself isn't, then where would that leave the entirety of the modern church establishment today? How can the modernist church which obsessively espouses so-called religious liberty to all and sundry excommunicate tradition and proclaim schism over its defenders? Indeed, we do live in strange times.

Benfan said...

Bishop Fellay did say that there could not be doctrinal discussions until the excommunication was lifted.
This would explain the previous post, discussions yes , not about doctrine but about their status.

Jon said...

As I've always said, to clean the barn, you've got to be IN the barn.

May this injustice be corrected with all haste.

Anonymous said...

Sociologists claim that 80% of all rumors are true.

Anonymous said...

IN ILLO TEMPORE St.Athanasius-excomunicated- stated: Even if Catholic faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful,they are the true Church of Jesus Christ.

Tom S. said...

Jon,

You got it just right!

I pray God that it comes to pass!!!

Anonymous said...

"As I've always said, to clean the barn, you've got to be IN the barn."

As long and they enjoy the support of the pope. After all that is how how liberals were able to take charge of the government of Church, even thought they seemed to be in the minority at that time, thanks to the support of Pope Paul VI who opened the door to liberalism in the Catholic Church.

If not, they surely will feel more isolated than if they were in a Soviet Gulag, and their struggle will not be effective.

Gustavo Ráez-Patiño said...

And here it is! Msgr. Piero Marini's last "gift" to the Church: the scheduling of Papal liturgies up to January 2008. Of course the same well known Ordinary Form liturgies we see year after year.

Indeed, it seems to me a very rude gesture to schedule himself these liturgies when he knows he will be replaced in a matter of weeks. The polite thing to do would have been to leave this task to the new MC.

Anyway, the fact that no Mass in the Extraordinary Form appears yet means absolutely nothing. Many times papal liturgies have been added later to the liturgical calendar (sometimes a few days before). Msgr. Guido Marini will soon have the full power to do so.

Chironomo said...

I think that this is less "rumor" and more likely leaked information, as was the case with the Motu Proprio. As soon as the information is leaked, then it is commented upon by those of us out here, as well as by the Episcopate, the clergy and other interested parties. The Holy See is able to get a feel for what the reaction will be without ever having to "tip his hand" and make any kind of official declaration of His intent. This seems to be the "new way" in the internet age...

Anonymous said...

"And here it is! Msgr. Piero Marini's last "gift" to the Church: the scheduling of Papal liturgies up to January 2008. Of course the same well known Ordinary Form liturgies we see year after year."

Msgr. Piero Marini is just the Pope's maid, so whatever he leaves behind is BXVI's concoction.

Leo said...

I wouldn't bet on it, as long as the Vatican continues in its ecumenical interfaith activities, there is little hope that there will be any real reunification between the SSPX and Rome. Fellay stated that they would have to do something about that ecumenism, as it is a stumbling block to SSPX-Vatican "dialogue".