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Castrillón: is the lifting of the excommunications near?

Article by the Swiss religious news agency Apic (published in the website of Swiss Protestant monthly Bonne Nouvelle):

Rome: is the lifting of the Lefebvrist excommunications near?
Dario Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, president of the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei" in charge of traditionalists has declared that the lifting of the excommunication weighing on the bishops of the Priestly Fraternity of St. X since 1988 "can happen" but that it definitely “depends on them."

Thus he implicitly recognized that this gesture from Rome would come after a formal acceptance of the consequences of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) by the Lefebvrists.

As for the celebration of a Mass by the pope according to the extraordinary form of the Roman rite (Tridentine Mass), it was felt that this would certainly take place but that "the time was not ripe."

For his part, the Colombian cardinal presided - for the first time in Rome since the publication last July of the Motu proprio Summorum Pontificum – at a Mass in the pre-concilliar rite on the evening of November 22. The Mass which opened a festival of Baroque music was celebrated in a church in the center of Rome.

(Translation by Mornac)

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Thus he implicitly recognized that this gesture from Rome would come after a formal acceptance of the consequences of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) by the Lefebvrists."

Uh?!!!

What kind of weed has the Cardinal been smoking?

john mastai said...

I'm more inclined to believe that the 'time is not ripe' because of the logistics of a Papal Mass and the ceremonial manpower and skill which would be involved, rather than any apprehension from the Holy Father. Pope Benedict, just this past weekend, ratcheted up the 'reform of the reform' even more.

The Papal Mass would have to be flawless; it would be on display before the world. Also, because it would be in the post-Vatican II-collapse period, there are probably many involved questions that are being ironed out (by Msgr. Marini and gang) about what details could/should/should not be incorporated within such a Liturgical undertaking.

The rumor that The Holy Father would be offering the Extraordinary Form publicly so soon in Advent never made much sense because of these reasons.

Anonymous said...

"Thus he implicitly recognized that this gesture from Rome would come after a formal acceptance of the consequences of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) by the Lefebvrists."

Pure conjecture of the reporter. Vile media, really.

Ottaviani said...

It will be some time before the lifting of the excommunications occur. The Holy Father and Rome works very slowly. They don't rush things.

It would be good if the Holy See also declared that the excommunications were unjust in the first place, but Hell will freeze over.

Anonymous said...

Rome is embarassed to the point of being ridiculous.
Bishop Fellay asked that the 'excommunications' be declared null and void, then the dicussions can start...NO question of accepting Vatican II at any time....before, during and after the 'lifting'!!! Papa Ben is at ease with the Eastern 'orthodoxs' and lifted the centuries long excommunication without imposing on them the acceptance of VAT II. And we all know that the 'orthodoxs' will NEVER accept Vat II - with the protestant-masonic Bugnini-Montini 'MASS"!!!
So, to hell with all acceptance.....just declare that the 'excommunications' never existed and that the Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X are more catholic than all the Novus (dis)Ordo prelates put together!!! That will make Papa Ben 'the great'!!

Anonymous said...

I agree 100% with the comment by "Anonomous" above just to declare the excommunications void and declare the Lefebvre bishops real bishops. They are more Catholic than the bishops we have now. While we're at it, also accept back the 5-10 other traditionalist bishops from other traditionalists groups which have repudiated Vatican II.
Believe it or not, all combined, that would bring about 1,100 priests into the Church, the same amount on nuns of many new Orders, and probably millions of Faithful who turned their backs of Paul VI and the protestant-Novus Ordo years ago.

Rick said...

"Thus he implicitly recognized that this gesture from Rome would come after a formal acceptance of the consequences of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) by the Lefebvrists."

Cardinal Hoyos never would say this!!So, what has it been the consequences of the Second Vatican Council? Priests dressing like clowns, dancing like Elvis and etc.

THen, whom has been smoking a big weed was the reporter.

dcs said...

While we're at it, also accept back the 5-10 other traditionalist bishops from other traditionalists groups which have repudiated Vatican II.

Many of these other "traditionalist" groups are sedevacantist, or functionally so. So it's not a question of the Holy See accepting them, it's a question of them accepting the Holy See.

jdaggett said...

Ditto. As a convert from Protestantism, I am profoundly sensitive to the Protestant infiltration. But these sedevacantist's are more protestant than the Novus Ordo'ites...they just have the paradoxical traditional Catholic trappings, which makes them more putrid than the modernist Catholics. In any event, they are a small minority, and their outlandish claims of "actor popes" etc. deserve little attention. The prime concern at this moment is the widespread celebration of the TLM, which as we know, must be encouraged through both charity and clarity. It's a political game people, and though truth remains supreme, the requests for the TLM must be delivered well. The reactionary nature of some within the traditional movement have set back a number of pre MP indult masses years. I know of one such occasion here on the West Coast and as chairman of UVCO, I'm not inclined to have our requests written off as "traditionalist bantering". There ought to be a calm almost serene attitude on our parts in knowing the Holy Father has our backs.

Credo In Unum Deum said...

I concur with jdag.

South Bend Catholic said...

This was irresponsible. The article isn't even a Catholic publication, and the "implicit" meaning of H.E.'s words is anything but obvious, nor is it clear what the Swiss Protestants mean by the "consequences of VCII." I'm sure most of the "consequences" are viewed quite positively by the Swiss Protestants (enemies of the Chruch, btw), and rather negatively by me, and the rest of traditional, orthodox minded, RATIONAL, Catholics.

New Catholic said...

Apic is not a Protestant news agency; this Apic dispatch was made available on the web by a Protestant publication.

Several important Apic reports have been translated by us in the past - yet, as all news reports, they must be read with discernment.

Anonymous said...

vPaul VI lifted the excommunication of a heretic. JPII invited heretics into St. Peter's Basilica for a joint ecumenical "prayer service" Oct. 5, 1991.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/santopadre_biografie/giovanni_paolo_ii_biografia_pontificato_en.html

But when it came to SSPX, Paul VI and JPII treated them with the upmost severity--probably out of shame that SSPX was upholding the Traditions of the Church that they were not.

The hypocrisy is palpable. I'm not waiting with bated breath for BXVI to lift the "excommunications" either, but at least he is already proving himself friendly to tradition. St. Athanasius was "excommunicated" and consecrated bishops (though a mandate wasn't necessary in his day) so perhaps SSPX is in a similar situation. Though it should be noted that Athanasius was fully regularized with the Church by the end of his life. SSPX should work hard to mend with the Church with perhaps an intermediate regularization. The Vatican, likewise, see how right SSPX has been for the last thirty years, and work hard to get them more regularized; such a step would have a ripple effect in the Church, providing sanctification and holiness throughout the entire Church, belying the relative small number of SSPX Bishops and Priests.

The status quo cannot sustain the Church (ie 46,000 priests in America in 1965, 11,000 today). The Church is disintegrating fast since in was put into auto-destruct after Vatican II. Perhaps this is an over-statement, but SSPX could be a catalyst to great renewal in the Church, thus, ultimately, saving her (already, it is highly unlikely that we would have Summorum Pontificum if SSPX didn't exist).