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Summorum well received in the Netherlands



Mr. Jack Oostveen, former president of the International Federation Una Voce, reports from the Netherlands:

The Dutch Bishops have not only decided to publish a book containing the translated text of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the letter of Pope Benedictus XVI to the Bishops, and a positive statement of the Dutch Episcopal Conference with the text of the Traditional Missale Romanum (Latin-Dutch Ordinary), but even seminarians will learn to celebrate both the ordinary and the extraordinary Roman Rite at Dutch seminaries, as reported by Radio Vaticana (German).

Congratulations to all those who have been fighting for the Traditional Mass in the extremely harsh ecclesiastical and social environment of the Netherlands! We pray that Pope Benedict may choose a solidly orthodox and obedient man as the next Archbishop of Utrecht.

In the picture: first page of the impressive book published by the National Committee for the Liturgy of the Dutch Episcopal Conference (Source: Juventutem).

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

Something is not rigth. Wasn't the Dutch Catholic Church on the brink of formal schism after the II Vatican Council? And now they are friendly to the Tridentine Right? Something is fishy in all of this.

Ager Flandriae said...

This is divine grace at work! God zij dank!!

Anonymous said...

The irony is that many of the abuses that have now found citizen right in the Novus Ordo rite came from this same Dutch Catholic Church, like receiving communion on the hands and altar girls. Something is very fishy in all of this. I smell a rat! ;)

beng said...

Ok, that's a shocking news. Shocking. Of all places.... Netherland? How many years have passed since the Dutch Catechism?


The Lord must have something up His sleves.


It is a wonderful news, don't get me wrong. I'm pleasently shocked.

schoolman said...

Let's not forget who visited this Conference of Bishops recently and delivered a rather strong address. Yes, it was Archbishop Ranjith! Coincidence?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2007/10/archbishop-ranjiths-address-in.html

J Charles (U.S) said...

that makes me happy

Anonymous said...

I am one of those younger priests who celebrate the older rite. In my parish church starting from december!

What is fishy is the lack of knowledge from many people about what happened after the sixties in the Netherlands. Rome appointed the first orthodox bishop in 1971 (Mons Simonis), with many to follow.
At the same time still many horiible things are happening in quite a few parishes.

I am glad our bishops are 'open minded' enough to be willing to accept the possibilities of the older rite.

Fr. Marc

Anonymous said...

There is more good going on in Nederland/Holland than people realise. The place to pray for is Belgium. There are a number of Flemish priests living and working in the Nederlands because things are not good in Belgium. And yet there are signs there of God's grace at work : there is the bishop of Namen (Namur) and a few of the religious orders - at least - are doing reasonably well for vocations, but within twenty years convents and monasteries will close on a big scale. Pray for Holland and Belgium.

Irulats said...

Anonymous:

I recently drove through Belgium on my way to Dusseldorf. They have a Traditional Latin Mass every day in the Cathedral in Namur at 12:30. If only we had such a blessing in Ireland.

"Nolite timere pusillus grex, quia complacuit Patri vestro dare vobis regnum."

Anonymous said...

This is a huge surprise from the Netherlands. I would have hardly expected something so good. The infamous liberal Cardinals Alfrink and Willebrands must be turning in their graves....because they were among the biggest offenders who ruined the Church in the Netherlands. Alfrink on his home soil...Willebrands in the entire Church. His radical liberal view of ecumenism with Protestants nearly turned the Church into a mirror image of Lutheranism. It was he who worked for John Paul II to become the first Pope ever to pray in a synagogue (1986), and He and Cardinal Etchegaray were the guiding radical liberals of the horrendous Assisi Interreligious meetings (in1986).
The corruption of the Dutch Church, begun under Alfrink and fostered by him and other liberal Bishops brought near ruin to the Dutch Church. The appointment of some "orthodox" men stabilized things. Only now does it seem to be on the verge of returning to the True expression of Catholicsm (with the Tridentine Latin Mass).
UNfortunatly however, as like the USA and most countries in Western Europe...religious life has just about been wiped out in the Netherlands.
Belgium suffered the same fate, at the hands of Cardinal Leo Suenens (who pressured the Pope to allow universal practice of Communion in the Hand), and his radical liberal successor (1979) Cardinal Daneels...who is much worse than Suenens if that is possible.
Except for Namur, Belgium has been plagued with liberal Bishops who have allowed every abuse in the liturgy, and encouraged a radical ecumenism with Protestants, interreligious dialog, and interfaith celebrations. Most religious Orders in Belgium are dead. It is true that convents and monasteries will be closed by the hundreds in Belgium within less than 10-20 years due to the liberal Orders of priests, monks, friars and nuns . The great Trappist Abbey of Orval in Belgium, famous for the production of good Belgian beer, is down to less than 20 very aged monks, and will probably soon close. (Had nearly 95 monks before Vatican II).
We should all pray for the Church in both countries....Netherlands that this new embracing of the Tridentine Latin Mass and Summorum Pontificum is genuine and will bear much fruit...and that they get a totally orthodox and traditionalist new Archbishop of Utrecht....and for Belgium that they recover the Faith thru Summorum Pontificum, and likewise get a holy and traditionalist successor to the corrupt Cardinal Daneels. The Bishop of Namur would be a great replacement.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Dutch bishops!

Anonymous said...

"I am one of those younger priests who celebrate the older rite. In my parish church starting from december!"

Younger priest: The "older" rite is the Novus Ordo rite. The traditional rite is the ever young rite of the Catholic Church. Take that contamination out of your head.

Stanislas said...

I think this report is a bit too positive. Maybe this may be the case in the dioceses of Roermond, maybe 's-Hertogenbosch and Haarlem, where moderately "conserving" bishops serve, but certainly not in the diocese of Breda, in the diocese of Rotterdam, in the dioceses of Groningen-Leeuwarden, and certainly not in the thoroughly liberal and modernist-infested archdiocese of Utrecht, of the Cardinal-Primate Adrianus Simonis.

In fact the policy has been in practice to continue to marginalize traditional(ist) Roman Catholic priests of the Tridentine Mass, and the clerical liberal establishment continues to refuse and silence to death all lay and priest-supported initiatives for the Traditional Roman Rite Mass.

I my environment, I have seen no concrete fruits. The elderly and young priests inclined towards the Tridentine Mass are being marginalized and treacherous fellow brothers-in-office are organizing modernist lay initiatives to spy out "integrist" priests in the parishes. And the "integrist" priests are subsequently silenced to death or fired.

I would not expect too much.

This nice booklet is the good work of the more traditional Fr. Drs. Cor Mennen of the Diocese of Den Bosch, parish priest in Oss.

But certainly not of the bishops themselves. Not even the "conservatives" among them ever expressed interest in the passed-down Roman Rite of Tradition, nor in unambiguous and clear orthodox teachings vis a vis ecumenism.

The state of affairs in the Netherlands, with only 3,0 % of nominal Catholics weekly attending a "Mass" (or a Communion Service; mosty with extravagant liturgical abuses), remains very dire.

Stanislas said...

Fr. Marc,

I do not know you, but I do know that Cardinal Simonis is only "conservative" from the Marxist and extremely Modernist view. He has developed from an orthodox parish chaplain in the 1960s, to a bishop who has arranged himself comfortably with the modernist clerical establishment of the generation Bluyssen and Bekkers. I have seen sacrileges happening, and Communion into hand handed out by minor girls in altar boy girl vestments right before his (Simonis') and my eyes.

As with Mons. Gijssen, nothing can be expected from the "more conservative" prelates. The crisis and the doctrinal revolution has been in Rome since 1960-1970, and spread towards a receptive and Teilhardinist Dutch clergy. Not the other way around.

I expect things from real men of Tradition. I count Bishop De Castro Mayer among them, the saintly Brasilian bishop, but certainly none of the Dutch bishops. Not even Mons. Bär who yearly offered a pontifical Gaudéte Mass in the traditional Roman Rite in Schiedam for Una Voce, not even Mons. Castermans who is a good retired man and celebrates the old Roman Mass on occasion.

Things are about doctrine essentially, not merely about liturgical traditions. Without sound doctrine of Roman Catholic Tradition, with "Catholic" diocesan newspaper (like "Op tocht") in which diocesan vicar-generals claim that the people "celebrates the eucharist, the priest being the mere presider", things can only worsen.

And the last thing we desire is a Roman Catholic priest celebrating the Tridentine Mass, but handing communion into the hand, handing over the ciborium to altar girls, and with the chip-and-dip-communion-rites, which prevail as the "modern Dutch standard".

"Unity in diversity" is the most we might get. And that principle is Masonic, not Catholic. We can only have diversity is orthodox Catholic rites, not diversity in doctrine as modernists claim now.

Stanislas said...

Again, I would not blame the crisis in the Dutch Church of those days solely on Cardinal Alfrink. Alfrink was overwhelmed and thought "pastoral sollutions" should be found, but he was not a liturgical modernist at all. He privately said the Tridentine Mass even in the late 1970s.

It is astonishing how people are stuck with the stereotypes of the 1970s.

I blame the Vatican, the blind euphoria around the infamous Second Vatican Council, the kind of "founding of a new, neo-Catholic religion", more than Cardinal Alfrink personally. Alfrink was negligent and wrong in accepting Fr. Schillebeeckx as his advisor, but Alfrink was not the raging modernist.

Danneels is more modernist than Alfrink, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

The St.Agneschurch in Amsterdam is the centre of traditionalism in the Netherlands. 120 faithfull attend Holy Mass each sunday at that number is still increasing. We now have 2 priests of the FSSP, Father Knudsen and Father Komorowski. Sursum Corda is the youth-group of St.Agnes and they were present at the KJD (Catholic youth day). The respons was enormous and at this moment Sursum Corda has Dutch seminarians as a member.

I can tell you that there is something going on in Holland. But the situation in Belgium is sad, very sad. The Belgian Catholic Church is a real enemy to tradition. Focolare is very strong among priests and bishops and they hate tradition. Belgium is lost....

Stanislas said...

I would like to thank the still anonymous Fr. Marc for his testimony over here. God bless you, Eerwaarde Marc (Last Name? Parish?)?

As for the "centres" of "traditionalism", I would like to speak about Roman Catholic Tradition. Not -ism. We are Roman Rite, orthodox Catholic, and in Tradition, not in a Revolution like the lot of the post-Vatican II church and members consider themselves.

St. Agnes' Church in Amsterdam (South) is thé centre for Indult "Traditionalism", but the Traditional movement in the Netherlands as everywhere started with the Society of St. Pius X, when the Dutch Latin Liturgy Association was still vehemently anti-traditional and pro-Novus-Ordo, and Archbishop Lefebvre re-consecrated the defiled and delapidated (by the Novus Ordo parish) Medieval, Roman Catholic parish church of the small village of Gerwen, near Eindhoven, in the Netherlands. That little parish church, under the patronage of St. Clemens, was the first centre of the traditional "movement" in the Netherlands. It is still under SSPX care and now a SSPX priory, its faithful often being attacked by fellow "Catholics" and media. It is théncefrom that "Traditionalism" was sown in the Netherlands post-Vatican II. Not from the Fraternity of St. Peter or St. Agnes'. With all respect, those were later developments primarily thanks to Archbishop Lefebvre's significant resistance against modernism.

Anonymous said...

'Belgium is lost....'

'Wees niet bang' - 'do not be afraid'. Many monasteries and religious houses in Belgium will certainly close, but there are tiny seeds of a newer and younger generation that will be left behind. There is more good behind the scenes being done. Pray to God that it will come to fruition. There will be a faithful remnant (and I hope that I'll be one of them).We must not loose hope.

Anonymous said...

how about bishop of Haarlem?
I think...
Mgr Punt is good pastor.
isn't it?

Anonymous said...

There is some cause to rejoice in Belgium. Cardinal Daneels will be 75 in 6 months.....only 6 months !!
I hope his resignation is snapped up by the Pope the very day he offers it.
The Bishop of Namur, Bishop Leonard would be a good replacement perhaps.

** As a side story, has anyone from the Netherlands or Belgium heard the scandelous story about Cardinal Daneels that apparently was told right after the conclave of 2005 which elected Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger as Benedict XVI?
According to the tale, Daneels was so angry that Ratzinger was elected that He practically had a stroke. Then, still raging He told his clique of liberal aides " The Next time it will be ME who is elected Pope!!!"

Anonymous said...

Daneels, vingt-trois, mahony, lehman, Murphy-O'Connor, matini..

John L said...

'Alfrink was negligent and wrong in accepting Fr. Schillebeeckx as his advisor, but Alfrink was not the raging modernist.' Schillebeeckx openly denied the divinity and the resurrection of Christ! Taking him as an advisor isn't just negligence!

Anonymous said...

If things are bad in Belgium, then import some monks!

Anyone remember St. Bonface?

Michael said...

I forgot. What does Summorum Pontificum translate in English? I forgot. Ecclesia Dei translates 'Church of God' and this one sounds just as intuitive and expressive of reaching back into time and space.

gallicman1 said...

Will the Dutch also refer their Novus Ordo priests to Bp. Fellay for conditional ordination to legitimize their Masses? After all the Novus Ordo priest was never ordained to perform the Sacrifice of the Mass. Novus Ordo priests were ordained to “celebrate” or preside over the commemoration of the Last Supper. Therefore, how can a Novus Ordo priest legitimately offer the “sacrifice” of the Mass when they can only “celebrate”?

If Bp Fellay or his bishops won’t ordain them because they believe that the Novus Ordo ordinations are valid then there are still a limited number of validly ordained Bishops under the Latin Rite that have the power to do so. Like Bp Fellay and his bishops, these other bishops find themselves outside of the Novus Ordo. Unlike Bp Fellay and his bishops, however, these other bishops are not trying to join the Novus Ordo.

dcs said...

What does Summorum Pontificum translate in English?

"Of the Supreme Pontiffs"

Michael said...

Thanks DCS. I swear that fellah is trying to make a point. Papa Benedetto has a way with words.

'Of the Supreme Pontiffs'. Now that speaks to some heavyweight roots. Perhaps those bishops in Belgium are anticipating something exciting.

John L said...

Quite.

Anonymous said...

gallicman1 you should read the superb second edition of Michael Davis' 'The Eternal Priesthood' on the validity of priestly ordinations in the new rite, despite it loosing much of the beauty, words and symbolism of the traditional form. What you say is clearly untenable and calls into question the Church's teaching on the priesthood and the apostolic succession. You also do a disservice to Archbishop Lefebvre and SSPX in what you say.

Anonymous said...

I read where not only is Pope Benedict XVI going to allow for even greater freedom for the Tridentine Latin Mass before Christmas (with a new updated addition to Summorum Pontificum coming from the Ecclesiae Dei Comission in which is also rules that seminaries are to teach the students in the Tridentine Latin Mass), but also the Pope is going to rid the Novus Ordo of both the modern music garbage (including the use of Protestant hymns), as well as declare as "reprobated" certain novelties that are beloved by the liturgical reformers ( ad lib Masses, clown Masses, Communion in the Hand, Extraordinary Ministers, women on the altar, etc.).
I read this yesterday.
Hopefully the Dutch Bishops and others will be obedient.

Anonymous said...

I read where not only is Pope Benedict XVI going to allow for even greater freedom for the Tridentine Latin Mass before Christmas (with a new updated addition to Summorum Pontificum coming from the Ecclesiae Dei Comission in which is also rules that seminaries are to teach the students in the Tridentine Latin Mass), but also the Pope is going to rid the Novus Ordo of both the modern music garbage (including the use of Protestant hymns), as well as declare as "reprobated" certain novelties that are beloved by the liturgical reformers ( ad lib Masses, clown Masses, Communion in the Hand, Extraordinary Ministers, women on the altar, etc.).
I read this yesterday.
Hopefully the Dutch Bishops and others will be obedient.

Anonymous said...

Communion in the Hand is a sacrilege.

Anonymous said...

And women in the altar, too.

Anonymous said...

Women in the altar a sacrilege? O dear, then we have a problem in Santa Maria sopra Minerva in Rome.

Jesse Daggett said...

This is exciting. Rorate Caeli...can you please add an RSS feed for this blog? If you already have one, help me find it please.

jesse said...

found it

Anonymous said...

"Women in the altar a sacrilege? O dear, then we have a problem in Santa Maria sopra Minerva in Rome."

I meant altar women, acolytes. You know what I mean.