Rorate Caeli

EU refuses help to Christians in Iraq

On Friday, the Slovenian presidency of the European Union rejected a proposal by Germany to give preferential treatment to requests for asylums by Iraqi Christians.

"I think that the right of asylum should be granted regardless of religion or race," said Dragutin Mate, Slovenian Minister of the Interior upon his arrival in Luxembourg where he was to chair a meeting of his counterparts from the European Union. "It seems to me to be difficult to work in this direction" (of preferential treatment), he added. The German Minister of the Interior, Wolfgang Schäuble, had announced his intention to seek the endorsement of the Member States for facilitating the acceptance of asylum applications submitted by Christians in Iraq, whom he considers to be threatened by sectarian violence within their country. The Chaldean Archbishop of Mosul, Mgr Rahou Faraj, was abducted and killed on March 29. The Chaldeans, Eastern Rite Catholics, are the main Christian community in Iraq and one of the oldest Christian churches. Before the American invasion of 2003, the Christian community in the country had approximately 800,000 members, or about 3% of the majority Muslim population. A large part of them have fled the country or have settled in Iraqi Kurdistan. More than 4,000 applications for asylum have been introduced in Germany by Iraqi refugees in 2007, according to the Interior Ministry, which did not specify their religion.

From Journal Chrétien

24 comments:

Gillibrand said...

Catholic Church Conservation: Hear the cries of Iraqi Christians

Pictures of large demonstration in Brussels this last Saturday.

Michael said...

Nice.

So, we endure the Cold War for countries like this and they can't return the favor to those less fortunate than themselves less than 20 years later?

History is a cruel judge, they will reap what they sow.

Vox said...

The Chaldeans are the oldest indiginous Catholics in the world; taught by St. Thomas on his way to India and still on their ancient lands--the Ninevah Plain, true descendants of Abraham.

Michael said it well; how many times was Europe saved by others, particularly in the last century and this is their corrup union's position?

Shame!

There are many Chaldean refugees here in Toronto, some of them I have done business with...humble, Christ loving people!

Kyrie eleison.

Anonymous said...

Pray, Pray, Pray

Keep Africa and Fr. David Thomas in your prayers as well. People are begging for baptism and he is trying to help them while people are dying from starvation, torture,etc.

Anonymous said...

What else would you expect of the adversaries of all men (1 Thessalonians 2:14)?

How long before "we" attack Iran on behalf of genocidal Judeo-Zionism?

Anonymous said...

As long as you simply point to a couple of discolored leaves, you will never uproot the poisonous tree.

Jordan Potter said...

What else would you expect of the adversaries of all men (1 Thessalonians 2:14)?

How long before "we" attack Iran on behalf of genocidal Judeo-Zionism?


Let's see, we have a weblog post about the European Union declining to help Christians in Iraq, and some anonymous anti-Semite blames it on the Jewish Conspiracy. Will every commentbox here from now on be subverted to serve as propaganda platforms for anonymous anti-Semites?

Anonymous said...

Who planned the war in Iraq, Mr. Potter?

Who prosecuted the war in Iraq, Mr. Potter?

Who then shall we blame for the sufferings of the Iraqi Catholics, Mr. Potter?

What nuclear-armed theocracy is promoting a war against Iran, Mr. Potter?

Who will prosecute that war, Mr. Potter?

Can you allow the reality of the Mearsheimer & Walt Report to penetrate your rhetoric, Mr. Potter?

The affliction must be cured at its root.

Diego

Anonymous said...

Jordan:

Denial and name-calling seem to be your only arguments. Some Catholic.

Even in the secular world, psychiatrists view denial as the most primitive of psychological defenses.

Think about it and address the issues instead of tossing around the tired Jewish curse, "antisemitic."

The point has been well-taken. WHO started this war that caused so much suffering?

Cradle Catholic

Jordan Potter said...

Diego said: Who planned the war in Iraq, Mr. Potter?

The United States of America.

This weblog post, however, is not about who planned the war, but about the European Union’s decision not to help Iraqi Christians suffering the fallout from the war. It’s certainly not about how the Jews are genocidal demons and the greatest of all evils.

It’s disheartening to see how, no matter what the topic here, even if it’s not the Jews, some have a compulsion to change the subject to the Jews. Perhaps they’d be happier if Rorate Coeli were renamed “Contra Iudeorum” or something.

Who prosecuted the war in Iraq, Mr. Potter?

The United States of America.

This weblog post, however, is not about who prosecuted the war, but about the European Union’s decision not to help Iraqi Christians suffering the fallout from the war. It’s certainly not about how the Jews are genocidal demons and the greatest of all evils.

Who then shall we blame for the sufferings of the Iraqi Catholics, Mr. Potter?

The Muslims who are harassing and murdering them.

What nuclear-armed theocracy is promoting a war against Iran, Mr. Potter?

There is no nuclear-armed theocracy promoting a war against Iran. But you’re probably referring to the secular, socialistic democratic state of Israel, which, like all secular socialist states, is not a theocracy.

Who will prosecute that war, Mr. Potter?

No one. The only nation that might wage such a war, and that is actually capable of waging it, is the U.S. But the U.S. is tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. There just aren’t the troops or materiel available to invade Iran, so we can expect no invasion of Iran anytime in the near future, and we can expect more saber-rattling from the U.S. and more paranoid fearmongering from leftists and anti-Semites and others who don’t want anybody to use force to stop Iran from financing terrorism.

Can you allow the reality of the Mearsheimer & Walt Report to penetrate your rhetoric, Mr. Potter?

No. This weblog post is not about the Mearsheimer & Walt Report, but about the European Union’s decision not to help Iraqi Christians suffering the fallout from the war.

The affliction must be cured at its root.

The affliction is sin, not Jews or Zionism, and Christ cures the affliction at its root.

Cradle Catholic said: Denial and name-calling seem to be your only arguments. Some Catholic.

Denial of what? That anti-Semitism is compatible with Catholicism? I plead guilty. And if you are suggesting that the way I Thess. 2:14 was deployed above, or language like “genocidal Judeo-Zionism,” is not anti-Semitic and incendiary, then I can only observe that someone is in denial and it’s not I.

As for my arguments, if denial and name-calling seem to be my only arguments, then I will have to invite you to read a few of my comments. It could be that you’re just unable or unwilling to follow my arguments.

By the way, judgmentalism and questioning the authenticity of someone’s Catholic faith are not prudent strategies if you actually want him to agree with you. It’s ill-mannered and best, uncharitable and arrogant at worst. It also makes the questioner a laughingstock. It’s been gutbustingly funny the way our anonymous anti-Semites and ultra-ultra-ultra-traditionalists here have been attacking New Catholic lately for being insufficiently “orthodox” in their opinion (i.e., not anti-Semitic and not a sedevacantist).

WHO started this war that caused so much suffering?

The late and lamentable Saddam Hussein, erstwhile ally of the United States of America. (Of course even an anti-Semite were to concede that Hussein’s aggression and tyranny started the war, he would then try to find a way to trace his genealogy or politics back to Judaism.)

Oh, and have I mentioned that this weblog post is not about who started the war, but about the European Union’s decision not to help Iraqi Christians suffering the fallout from the war?

Anonymous said...

The root cause of the plight of the Iraqi Catholics is the war that was planned and prosecuted by Jewish Trotskyites who have successfully "spread the errors of Russia" while masquerading as "neo-conservatives." As they have intended —and manipulated— since even before the 1997 founding of their "Project for the New American Century," have been ginning up their next war, against Iran. The nuclear-armed genocidal "secular" state that you cannot exculpate professes an official state religion and those who do not share that religion are victims of the latest Judaic ethnic cleansing.

We are witnessing "perestroika," "convergence" as it was intended. "We" have become more like Bolshevist/Zionism and much less like Americans —AND WORSE — nothing like Catholics.

Truly, Jordan Potter, I have followed your denial, name-calling, and apologia for Judeo-Zionism for several weeks. You are either in abject denial, woefully ignorant, or a willful deceiver. As to the overwhelming influence of the nation within a nation, doing still just what it has done for 3 millennia, resulting in their expulsion or worse, see:

The Israel Lobby
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
London Review of Books
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

Significantly, Mearsheimer is Jewish.

Cradle Catholic, not "new" at all

Anonymous said...

Given his past performance, it is highly likely that Jordan will deny what one Jewish Professor, the late Israel Shahak, called "Jewish History, Jewish Religion, The Weight of Three Thousand Years."

Professor Shahak, a true humanitarian, gives witness in his book, available at:
http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-History-Religion-Thousand-Eastern/dp/0745308198/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208909000&sr=8-2

I also offer preemptive evidence assembled by Vatican archivists of instances of ethnic cleansing swept under the rug, genocide swept down the memory hole. Under the nom de plume Maurice Pinay the archivists assembled, then distributed, their compendium to Vatican II at the peak of pressure by Jules Issac and the World Jewish Congress were pressing for changes in Catholic dogma. If the Vatican archivists had not done so, we might well have suffered far worse wounds than the ambiguities of Nostra Aetate. Read Part I, especially the section entitled "Jewish Testimony":

http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

OR you can buy the entire tome at the bookstore of: http://www.omnicbc.com


61 million Christians (!!!) died at the hands of Judeo-Bolshevism:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

Given his past performance, I will not be surprised if New Catholic quickly expunges all this evidence, leaving nothing to oppose Jordan's not-so-mellifluous pedagogy of deceit.

Iraqi Catholics will not be the only ones to suffer if the truth remains unspeakable.

Cradle Catholic

Anonymous said...

Cradle Catholic to Jordan, As to terrorism here is a compendium worth your denial. I am confident you will speak against it, but will have no rebuttal against this evidence of the root problem —and New Catholic will likely expunge the evidence again:

"The best of the Gentiles should all be killed." (Sopherim 15, rule 10)

July 2, 1946: The Bombing of the King David Hotel masterminded by Menachem Begin, 91 dead

April 9, 1948: Irgun and Stern Gang massacre 260 Arab civilians in Deir Yassin [http://www.deiryassin.org]

Sept 17, 1948: Yitzhak Shamir's Stern Gang assassinate Swedish peace mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte

October 14-15, 1953: Ariel Sharon commands attack on Qibya, 42 homes destroyed, 60 civilians killed

Holy Week 1954 Israelis desecrate Christian cemeteries in Haifa

July 14, 1954: Israeli Army intelligence, Modin, firebombs civilian post office in Egypt

1956 terrorist atrocity in Kafr Qasim, 47 cold blooded murders

1966, village of Sammu attacked, 18 dead, 100 wounded

1967 USS Liberty attacked 34 sailors dead, 170 wounded -- not civilians, but non-participants

June 5, 1967, "In danger of being attacked" Israel launches war, 759 Israelis and 15,000 Arabs dead

1969 Israeli bombing of school Bahdr al Baker, 75 children dead, 100 wounded

March 1, 1970, Israel invades Lebanon, civilian death toll unknown

Sept 8, 1972 Israeli bombing of Syrian and Lebanese civilians, "hundreds dead"

1974: Israeli terrorists attack civilian aircraft; desecrate Christian shrines including Church of the Holy Sepulcher, stealing the diamond crown of the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary

1975-1980: numerous Mossad assassinations of Palestinian scientists, journalists, and others

August 1982: 20,000 civilians dead from Israeli bombing of Beirut on the orders of Ariel Sharon

September 1982 massacres of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, 800 women, children, and elderly killed

October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed houses, cars, and offices of three elected mayors of the West Bank cities, Nablus, Ramallah, and Al Beireh

1984 kidnapping of Palestinians on the high seas off merchant vessels

1986 Palestinian cartoonist, Naj Al Ali, assassinated

April 1988 Israeli commandos invade the home of Khalil Al Wazir, a Palestinian leader, and shoot him in bed

February-March 1989 Israeli jets bomb Beka Valley, 15 children killed, more adults

April 14, 1989 Israeli police and armed Jewish settlers attack disarmed Palestinian village, Nahalin, 8 killed, 50 wounded

February 1994 Kach Party terrorist Baruch Goldstein uses assault rifle to murder 29 Palestinians worshipping at Hebron mosque, rabbis praise his actions and then Prime Minister Yitshak Rabin gives permission\ for a memorial to honor Goldstein

February 27, 1994 Israeli Mossad bombs Our Lady of Deliverance Maronite Catholic Chuirch at Jounieh, Lebanon, 11 killed.

1996 Israeli massacre of civilians at Qana, Lebanon

April 14, 2000, homes of civilians bulldozed (actions admitted by Ha'aretz and praised by the canonized "Holocaust survivor" Elie Wiesel)

Dec. 10, 2001. “Palestinian activist Muhammad Sidir, 24, had his face maimed and burned and his eyes blinded by a U.S. made Israeli helicopter firing missiles in a crowded intersection during an assassination attempt on Sidir. Two Palestinian children died in the attacks and two other children were injured. Israeli helicopter gunships hovered over the carnage for five minutes, preventing immediate medical attention from being administered to the wounded and dying.” [http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine7.html]

December 17, 2001 Israeli troops murder Palestinian activist Yacoub Aidkadik

January 14, 2002 assassination of Palestinian resistance leader Raed al-Karmi

January 24, 2002 assassination of Elie Hobeika who was preparing to testify at a war crimes trial in Belgium against his former ally Ariel Sharon regarding Sharon’s masterminding of the Sabra and Chatila massacres

March 6-16, 2002. 200 Palestinian civilians slaughtered in Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza ghetto
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine51.html

March 30, 2002, 5 Palestinian bank guards summarily executed in Ramallah

April 8, 2002 et seq., bombardment of the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem, the only major church in the Holy Land that had survived intact from the early Christian period

April 9, 2002 (ironically on Yom Has Shoa, "Holocaust Remembrance Day"): Israeli massacre of 52 Palestinian civilians in Jenin

May 20, 2002 Mossad car bombing of Mohammed Jibril, Palestinian leader
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine7.html

March 16, 2003 Rachel Corrie, 23, was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer in Rafah, Gaza, as she protested against house demolitions
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/1583823_comment.php

April 11, 2003 Tom Hurndall, 21, from London shot in the head by an Israeli soldier as he tried to help a Palestinian woman and her children. http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article1358.shtml

August 4, 2005 timed precisely to interfere with Gaza withdrawal, an Israeli Army “deserter” (or operative?) and Kach Party member Eden Natan-Zada, using an assault rifle, attacked a bus killing 4, wounding 12 Palestinians [http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050804-110426-6510r.htm]

July-August 2006 Israelis bomb Lebanon for 33 days, preliminary death toll 1,300 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1219684.ece, Lebanon’s infrastructure destroyed, termed “bombed into the stone age.”

November 18, 2006 Swedish human rights worker beaten, 5 Palestinians (including a 3-year-old child) beaten and stoned while the assailants chanted, “We killed Jesus and we’ll kill you too!” http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/18/hebron-day-06/

February 6, 2007 Foul mouthed drunken Talmudist harasses Palestinians on their land, “You and your f@#king Jesus can kiss my a$%....We killed Jesus and we’re proud of it...” http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f

2007 Amnesty International Report "Increased violence between Israelis and Palestinians resulted in a threefold increase in killings of Palestinians by Israeli forces. The number of Israelis killed by Palestinian armed groups diminished by half. More than 650 Palestinians, including some 120 children, and 27 Israelis were killed. Israeli forces carried out air and artillery bombardments in the Gaza Strip, and Israel continued to expand illegal settlements and to build a 700-km fence/wall on Palestinian land in the Occupied Territories. Military blockades and increased restrictions imposed by Israel on the movement of Palestinians and the confiscation by Israel of Palestinian customs duties caused a significant deterioration in living conditions for Palestinian inhabitants in the Occupied Territories, with poverty, food aid dependency, health problems and unemployment reaching crisis levels. Israeli soldiers and settlers committed serious human rights abuses, including unlawful killings, against Palestinians, mostly with impunity. Thousands of Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces throughout the Occupied Territories on suspicion of security offences and hundreds were held in administrative detention. Israeli conscientious objectors continued to be imprisoned for refusing to serve in the army. In a 34-day war against Hizbullah in Lebanon in July-August, Israeli forces committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes. Israeli bombardments killed nearly 1,200 people, and destroyed or damaged tens of thousands of homes and other civilian infrastructure. Israeli forces also littered south Lebanon with around a million unexploded cluster bombs which continued to kill and maim civilians after the conflict.” http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Middle-East-and-North-Africa/Israel-and-the-Occupied-Territories



May 30, 2007 Former Sephardi Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu announces “absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians.” His son, Chief Rabbi of Safed Schmuel Eliyahu added, "If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

June 1, 2007 "Israeli troops shot and killed two 13-year-old Palestinians [Ahmed Abu Zbeida and Zaher al-Majdalawi] near the Gaza-Israel border fence Friday, saying they were crawling toward the barrier in a ``suspicious manner.'' The boys had told their families they were going to the beach. (Guardian, June 1, 2007)"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6677257,00.html

July 5, 2007 Slouching Towards a Palestinian Holocaust by Richard Falk
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13226

November 2007 The International Committee of the Red Cross issues a report on Israel’s inhuman treatment of Palestinians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_12_07palestineicrc.pdf

January 20, 2008 Israelis admit to assassinations
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/946320.html



Except as annotated, see Moshe Lieberman & Michael A. Hoffman II, The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians, available at:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=7142662.23482*px29R4&product=Books_and_Pamphlets

Jordan Potter said...

Cradle Catholic said: Truly, Jordan Potter, I have followed your denial, name-calling, and apologia for Judeo-Zionism for several weeks.

No, you haven't, since I have not engaged in any such things here. Finding fault with one error doesn't mean I agree with another error. I've only countered the lies and distortions of certain anti-Semitic obsessives (or is it just one person?) who have been spamming this weblog with un-Catholic and quasi-Catholic lists of prooftexts.

You are either in abject denial, woefully ignorant, or a willful deceiver.

Since none of the above are correct, there must be a fourth option: your beliefs about Judaism are erroneous and your obsession with Jews is unhealthy and un-Catholic.

As to the overwhelming influence of the nation within a nation, doing still just what it has done for 3 millennia, resulting in their expulsion or worse

It's good that you say such things, Cradle Catholic, because it adds to the overwhelming weight of evidence that you are suffering from racist and anti-Semitic attitudes incompatible with Catholicism.

Cradle Catholic, not "new" at all

May you be renewed in your heart.

New Catholic said...

It is so sad for me to have to reinstate moderation here... All because of this single-issue commentator...

Jordan Potter said...

Cradle Catholic, I only thing I have to say about your re-posting of your anti-Israel litany is that it's not a good sign that you placed the words "Holocaust survivor" in scarequotes. I hope that doesn't mean what it usually means.

Jordan Potter said...

So the nations of Europe have been taking in large numbers of Muslims in the past few decades, which now raises the real probability of Europe becoming a province of Islam in about 50 years -- but they can't lend a hand to Iraqi Christian refugees . . .

Anonymous said...

In politics it is easy to fall into error for want of making the right distinctions and recognizing the totality of the facts.

As regards the Wars in Iraq:

1) It was Saddam Hussein who invaded Kuwait.

2) It was the Kuwait government in exile which asked the USA and the UN to help them regain their country.

3) It was the USA and the UK, with a UN mandate which liberated Kuwait and took the war to Iraq

4) It was the USA and the UK which agreed to a cease fire with Iraq, brokered by the UN, on the grounds that certain conditions be kept.

5) It was Iraq which violated these conditions.

6) It was Irag which covertly put out the lie that they had or were seeking weapons of mass destruction.

7) All agree the first Iraq War was justly enaged by the USA and the UK.

8) In virtue of that war the USA and UK obtain a moral right to recommence hostilities.

9) A threat to do violence is a just cause to commence a war against the nation who threatens it (cf. St. Alphonsus dei Liguori)

10) Sadam Hussein did plan and execute a plot to assasinate the President of the USA in Kuwait.

11) the Iraq governement was a tryanny which obtain power by unlawful means, which starved its citizens and gassed thousands to death and maintained a state of terror

12) The US Senate declared the second war for these reasons

13) Ergo, the second Iraq was was just.

14) Ergo, the Jews had nothing to do with it.




Common sense....

But some hate the Jewish race so much, or the American Government so much, that they fail to see the truth of these mattters

As for the EU, it is not run by Jews but by secularists and Masons, who have enough reasons to deny the request for asylum of Christians from Iraq, without help of any other theories...

Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Jordan Potter said...

Well said, Brother Alexis. So many do not acknowledge that the invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam Hussein is organically linked to the war to liberate Kuwait -- it's practically a second phase or continuation of the first war.

Of course, that there was just cause to invade Iraq and overthrow Hussein does not mean the war has been prosecuted justly or wisely, nor does it mitigate the suffering that has resulted for the Iraqi people, especially the Christians of Iraq.

Vox said...

To the editiors of this wonderful blog:

Do you think that the time has come to bar any "Anonymous" postings or at least to delete the vile anti-Semetic diatrabes?

This is a very worthwhile blog and I visit frequently; but, there are some posting here who are hurting its reputation.

To Anonymous, please, you sound as if you follow the Hadith, "See muslim a Jew behind the bush, go and slay him"...why not, they're just "pigs and apes" right?

Anonymous said...

Let me be unmistakably clear: I condemn genocide and I condemn all religions that exhort genocide.

Others have condemned the same. There are no "nazis" or "antisemites" or wannabe mass-murderers here, only practicing Catholics who strenuously object to falsified history and the whitewashing of a religion damned by Jesus for good reasons. NOBODY here has suggested slaying anyone

It should give you pause for reflection that quotation of Jesus, Magisterium, and verifiable history triggers your reflexive imaginings that critics of genocide could only want to perpetrate genocide. Where did that warped brain programming come from?

NOBODY here has suggested slaying anyone! If fact, the objections raised against Judaism are objections against its imprecations to genocide and its treatment of Gentiles as non-humans and rabbis as gods who can invert God's Law with impunity. The objections raised against Judeo-Bolshevism and Zionism are clear condemnations of their horrific body counts.

Let me reiterate: I condemn genocide and I condemn all religions that exhort genocide.

It is the fratricidal smears and one-sided censorship that are giving this site a bad reputation.

Cradle Catholic

Anonymous said...

Dear Br. Bugnolo,

The Holy Father reviewed the same facts available to us all and concluded the diametric opposite —that the war is unjust.

Clearly "Catholic" Zionists are so selective in their great pretense of obedience to the Holy Father that they make of themselves hypocrites.

Diego

Anonymous said...

It figures that the EU would refuse to help Christians In Iraq. The socialists in Europe, wheather they are communists, facists, or plain garden varity socialists, have always been anti-Christian. They will not be content until Europe is de-Christianized. I hope they are happy with the morning prayer call for Allah worship, if their fool heads aren't cut off first!

Like Cradle Catholic and Anonymous, I believe our intervention in Iraq, which we did to benefit another nation in the Middle East, is the main reason why the Iraqi Christians are suffering. The native non-Christians rightly or wrongly, (IMHO wrongly) reguard the Chaldeans/Assryians as agents of influence for the US. So they are singled out for persecution. Hussein may have been a nasty person, but under him, the native Christians had a degree of protection. Now they have none. Yep, our invasion of Iraq made it safe for democracy, and unsafe for Christians!

The philo-semitic remarks of Jordan Potter are typical for the man. Because of his Judaizing backgroud in the Worldwide Church Of God,and his continued association with judaizing groups like the Association Of Hebrew Catholics, he is a knee-jerk defender of anything Jewish. I'm of Jewish descent, I'm also a former member of the Worldwide Church Of God, and I have no racial hatred of Jews. However, we must remember that the Jewish religion has always been proscribed by the church as dangerous to Christians. Sinse Judaism has always taught hatred of Christ and Christianity in its Talmud, just like Islam does in its Koran, we should listen to the warnings of our past saints, docters, and Popes about this group of people. To label critics with the "anti-semite" smear when they are trying to offer honest criticism of anything Jewish is like calling someone a negro-hater because he is critical of the high rate black crime, dirty rap music or illegitimacy. Yeah, it's all racism, isn't it?

And if JP wishes to point out things are different since Vatican II, I'll agree with him. We have, through a misinterpetation of VII, have given ourselves over to religious indifferentism. That is the real reason why we have 'mellowed' in our relationships with the so-called separated Protestant brethern, Judaism, Islam, and the pagan cults. We want to dialogue with them so we can understand them. it's a pity that it never works. they still believe their false religions are alright when the talking stops. The Lord told us to evangelize, not dialogue with them as equals. Or is that anti-semetic, anti-Protestant, anti-Islamic, and anti-pagan?

Steve Dalton

LeonG said...

Frankly, we have to put most of the blame on the woolly-headed liberal rationale of this postmodern dechristianised society. The psychological disturbance of those who assuage their compulsive guilt-feelings by willing the very subversion of the liberty they pretend to extol, reflects a profound mental disorder. It is this almost unbelievable lack of mature reflection which is systemic in European society. Thus, the liberal propagates demographic demise by fabricating pro-choice rights which are effectively the establishment of abortive, sodomite and pagan culture to replace the civilisation he so despises but has profited from; a syncretism that seeks to impair & replace orthodox Roman Catholicism & the truth only in favour of any false religion & mutually contradictory philosophy and sells cheap political programmes founded on promising everything to everyone. The way is now left open and unobstructed to new tyrannies which we will undoubtedly witness in the not so distant future.

Unfortunately, the post-conciliar church has been infected with similar ideologies which, although less obviously pagan in their essence, have promoted secular humanistic values which attempt to make authentic Catholicism redundant. This has assisted in the contemporary process of socio-cultural dechristianisation and the current betrayal of Catholics universally. Italian politicians have already & not long ago accused Rome of betrayal on some moral issues. Therefore, what chance do the Catholics in Iraq have in obtaining European assistance? With the church so thoroughly divided and disorientated, there is little hope at present, unless.....unless.

As for the accusations against the Jews - there are no doubt some among the militant enemies but the overwhelming majority are those europeans with lapsed faith, de-sensitised consciences and pluralistic norms and values.