Rorate Caeli

Fellay: "I have already written a response
and we will see how Rome will react"


The Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, granted today an interview to Gino Driussi, of RTSI (the Italian-language Swiss public radio), providing some very enlightening answers:
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[17:45][Fellay:] Perhaps it is false to say, in such a way, directly, that I reject, that I propose a total rejection [of the conditions], that is not true. Rather, I see in this ultimatum a very vague, confused thing. But, in fact, I have already written a response and we will see how Rome will react.
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[18:53] [Fellay:] For me, this ultimatum has no sense, because we have relations with Rome which go forward in a certain speed, which is truly slow. And it is true, on the other hand, that both the Cardinal [Castrillón Hoyos] and the Holy Father would wish for a rather accelerated speed. For me, the only meaning of this ultimatum is the expression of this desire of Rome to give it a little bit of hastiness. Therefore, for me, it is not a reconsideration of all our relations.

[Interviewer:] "Then, you expect to continue in the dialogue, thus?"

[Fellay:] Yes, yes, it is possible that there will now be a time of more, of coolness, but, frankly, for me, it is not over, no.

Audio (Italian): RTSI (Realmedia); Tip: reader Syriacus.

22 comments:

Sacristy_rat said...

YEP, SLOW DOWN HERE, "PUT A LITTLE CEMENT ON YOR SHOES", NO NEED TO RESTORE YOUR REPLATIONSHIP WITH ROME AFTER YOU WORKED FOR YEARS TO CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE ONE CAN BE A ROMAN CATHOLIC WITHOUT UNION WITH ROME.

St. Columba said...

I suspect that New Catholic's friend, Massimo Introvigne, will relish, with glee, yet another day of SSPX-bashing on this blog.

Anonymous said...

The Bishop has shown himself a true CAtholic, truly charitable and truly virtuous and faithful to the Holy Father. He expresses the will to continue to talk and at th same time explains that the conditions were badly drawn up, while admitting it was not out of malice, but hastiness.

In this he has rebutted all the nasty comments on this Blog against the SSPX, and shown himself a better Catholic and Chrisitan than them all.

His are not the words of a schismatic or protestant, but of a true Apostle of Jesus Christ.

Now let us pray that the conversations proceed on truth and charity, and that the Holy Father will not fear to discuss the importan doctrinal problems with the V2 documents and conciliar reforms and liturgies.

He has shown no fear to discuss heresies with heretics. Let him show no fear to discuss the truth faith with Catholics.

Br. Alexis Bugnolo
www.franciscan-archive.org

Paul Haley said...

I suspect that the "wolves" are intent on preventing any reconciliation except on their, i.e., modernist, terms and that will not and, in fact, cannot happen. So, we are back to square one on this and I believe it is the wolves that are entirely responsible for this flap.

I also suspect that Bishop Fellay was flabbergasted to see these conditions leaked to the press and including an ultimatum to accept by date certain or suffer the consequences. Who are the "wolves?" Interesting question and I don't have the answer except to suggest that they must be in the Vatican itself or, at the very least, in the communications pipeline.

And, if I may, I would like to express my personal disapproval of how Raymond Arroyo of EWTN's World Over Live program last night characterized the situation by saying that in rejecting the conditions the SSPX refused to accept vatican II and the pope's authority.

Now, I admit I'm paraphrasing his remarks but I believe I've captured the essence of what he said in the "news" portion of the program. This is uncalled for and totally out of bounds.

Anonymous said...

The great theologian Fr. Cornelius a Lapide SJ* and others teach that the Great Apostasy must occur before the end of the world. Fr. Phil Wolf FSSP (not SSPX!) has elaborated on this.

2 Thessalonians 3-12 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition, Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God. Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you first fruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

Daniel 9 :27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.

Consider also the prophesy of St. Francis of Assisi:

A short time before the holy Father’s death [St. Francis’ death], he called together his children and warn them of the coming troubles, saying: “Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissension, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the week it will increase. The Devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death. Then the scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect. Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say that they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in him. In order to be like their Head, these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than men, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.” --- Works of The Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi, translated by a religious of the order, London: R. Washbourne, 1882. pp. 248-250.

Consider, my “charitable” Novus Ordinarians, that the Great Apostasy may be here and that you may be defending the indefensible — operation of error, abomination of desolation, and defection from Tradition.

Signed,
Anonymous (because this is NOT about me; it’s about the Truth)

* Heretofore the works of Fr. Cornelius a Lapide SJ were available only in Latin. His commentaries of Scripture are, for the first time, being translated into English:
http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/
8284/commentary-on-the-four-gospels

Angelo said...

"We have a collassal task ahead of us," said Bishop Felley, in the State of the Church
article in the June 08 Angelus. "We need many scholastic Doctors."

New Catholic said...

"SSPX-bashing"?

There is lots of "bashing" from all sides here and we try, when we have the time for it, to eliminate the worst comments. You can help us, too, St.Columba: send us e-mail messages identifying any extremely offensive comment we may have overlooked.

St. Columba said...

Only the extremely offensive comments against the SSPX are not allowed. How very charitable of you.

Anonymous said...

Br. Bugnolo: "He has shown no fear to discuss heresies with heretics. Let him show no fear to discuss the truth faith [sic] with Catholics."

Well said! [except the typo] Rome doesn't tell abortionists, sodomites, Voodoo practitioners, Lutherans, or the Synagogue of Satan to shut up. Only practicing Catholics are treated with such "charity" because our Catholic duty to speak Truth threatens the modernist house of cards.

Any truthful discussion shows Rome is not Catholic at all. Of course, they fear the Truth. That is why Rome can afford to be indifferentist with everyone and anyone EXCEPT PRACTICING CATHOLICS.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully Rome's patience won't run out. There is such a thing as scandalizing a superior into abusing you, after all.

Most of what has gone on this month remains hidden from us. It is good that the conditions have not been rejected outright. It is even better that the doctrinal difference over the definition of "Magisterium" have been highlighted:

Fellay “accepts to respect the pope and not take the place of the magisterium of the Church, except if there is something in the post-Council magisterium that is opposed to the magisterium of 2,000 years,” Lorans said.

New Catholic said...

Since we have been called "SSPX supporters", "Williamson fans", and now "SSPX-bashers", I guess we are on the right track for journalistic neutrality...

Anonymous said...

anonymous 13:47: Rome is not Catholic at all.

Yikes! At least you're honest about your beliefs.

Anonymous said...

St. Columba, you have observed a pattern that is not likely to change.

In better times, converts and new Catholics kept quiet. Steeped in a lifetime of error before their conversion, they knew they had not yet developed --and in their remaining lifetimes were not likely to develop-- a "sensus catholicus." There were (and presumably still are) saintly exceptions, but look at the big picture.


Instead of Catholic Truth, the stated standard here is "journalistic neutrality."*

Nowadays it seems any convert can blog or get a TV show on EWTN and spout female Holy Ghost and Judaizing nonsense on prime time.


*Our censorious editor would do well to study Lurianic Kaballah to learn the roots of the "right," "left," and "center" (or "neutral") trick. The "moderate" position is not the Catholic position.

St. Columba said...

New Catholic wrote:
"Since we have been called "SSPX supporters," "Williamson fans," and now "SSPX bashers," I guess we are on the right track for journalistic neutrality."

Acually, it's called, "playing to both sides when it suits your needs."

Anonymous said...

If you think that New Catholic ought not post, or ought to post differently, or ought not to censor you and your ilk, etc. Then, go somewhere else. You're not forced to come here. You're not forced to read or respond. If you believe these things, then go somewhere else. Those of us who are here, aren't interested in what you have to say.

Melchior Cano

Anonymous said...

To anonymous 13:53 , I apologize for slightly overstating the case about Rome not being Catholic at all. I should have said Catholics in Rome are a distinct minority.

Lest you be scandalized by my "not Catholic at all" comment, consider this -

“Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed at which are contained in the written Word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the church, either in a solemn pronouncement [ex cathedra extra ordinary Magisterium ], or in her ordinary and universal teaching power [a.v., “what has always been taught,” ordinary Magisterium ], to be believed as a divinely revealed.” Vatican Council, Session III Dogmatic Constitution Concerning the Catholic Faith (April 24, 1870) in Denziger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, §1792

To reject even one Catholic doctrine puts one outside the Church.

David A. Werling said...

For pitty's sake, please think before you post!

You anon posters who are trying to support the SSPX do nothing but harm the SSPX and the traditionalist movement. On another thread one of you commented that the Holy Father didn't mention Our Blessed Lord during his trip to the US. What an idiotic thing to say! Anyone who followed just a little bit of the Holy Father's visit to the USA would have known that he didn't stop mentioning Our Blessed Lord's Holy Name!

Now another one of you spouts that converts shouldn't speak about issues Catholic in supposed support of the SSPX. What total and complete ignorance! Bishop Williamson, SSPX (!!!!!), and one of the more outspoken of the SSPX bishops, no less, IS A CONVERT!

Why don't you people do the SSPX a favor and stop trying to defend them. They are more than capable of doing that for themselves, as this response from H.E. Bernard Fellay demonstrates.

Doctor Sententiarum said...

Many thanks, New Catholic, for all your good work.

Anonymous said...

So...the SSPX is beyond criticism?

Infallible?

Indefectible?

Come on folks, come out with it. Is that what you really believe? Be honest.

Matthew said...

This whole situation is approaching the tipping point. When that point is reached it will go one way or the other, and it will happen rapidly. Our Holy Father cannot be faulted in any way especially in this particular instance.
My own personal belief (I hope I am wrong) is that Pope John Paul II caused this whole mess. JP2 loved to travel. Why didn't he show the Trads the same "ecumenical" style courtesy he expended to his very dear friend, the Dalai Lama, that voodoo priestess, and countless other protestant heretics? Santo subito? No. Santo mai. JP2 made this mess and then died as he had lived: with great drama and a theater style papacy. He was an actor till death ... and even after it.

New Catholic said...

It is a sad state of affairs when Catholics cannot entertain a civilized and on-topic conversation.

I thank the few commentators who tried to discuss the very important matter here. Please, send any tips to newcatholic AT gmail DOT com.

Patrick said...

Dear New Catholic, you run an excellent site, first with the news. It is a pity that such unpleasant, unbalanced folk turn up and comment here. Please know that many people value greatly your efforts to keep us up to date, and don't give up the good work! I pray that the Society of St Pius X will reconcile with Rome as soon as possible.