Rorate Caeli

Politics - Papal Reminders
The dangers of political Messiahs and of Socialist promises - I


To suffer and to endure, therefore, is the lot of humanity; let them strive as they may, no strength and no artifice will ever succeed in banishing from human life the ills and troubles which beset it. If any there are who pretend differently - who hold out to a hard-pressed people the boon of freedom from pain and trouble, an undisturbed repose, and constant enjoyment - they delude the people and impose upon them, and their lying promises will only one day bring forth evils worse than the present. Nothing is more useful than to look upon the world as it really is, and at the same time to seek elsewhere, as We have said, for the solace to its troubles.
Leo XIII
Rerum Novarum

...it is frightening to behold new apostles eagerly attempting to do better by a common interchange of vague idealism and civic virtues. What are they going to produce? What is to come of this collaboration? A mere verbal and chimerical construction in which we shall see, glowing in a jumble, and in seductive confusion, the words Liberty, Justice, Fraternity, Love, Equality, and human exultation, all resting upon an ill-understood human dignity. It will be a tumultuous agitation, sterile for the end proposed, but which will benefit the less Utopian exploiters of the people.
Saint Pius X
Notre Charge Apostolique

Since Christ, the Lord's Anointed, finished the task of Redemption, and by breaking up the reign of sin deserved for us the grace of being the children God, since that day no other name under heaven has been given to men, whereby we must be saved (Acts iv. 12). No man, were every science, power and worldly strength incarnated in him, can lay any other foundation but that which is laid: which is Christ Jesus (1 Cor. iii 11). Should any man dare, in sacrilegious disregard of the essential differences between God and His creature, between the God-man and the children of man, to place a mortal, were he the greatest of all times, by the side of, or over, or against, Christ, he would deserve to be called prophet of nothingness, to whom the terrifying words of Scripture would be applicable: "He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them" (Psalms ii. 3).
Pius XI
Mit brennender Sorge

The Communism of today, more emphatically than similar movements in the past, conceals in itself a false messianic idea. A pseudo-ideal of justice, of equality and fraternity in labor impregnates all its doctrine and activity with a deceptive mysticism, which communicates a zealous and contagious enthusiasm to the multitudes entrapped by delusive promises. This is especially true in an age like ours, when unusual misery has resulted from the unequal distribution of the goods of this world. This pseudo-ideal is even boastfully advanced as if it were responsible for a certain economic progress.
Pius XI
Divini Redemptoris

There is never any need, therefore, to turn to proponents of doctrines condemned by the Church; for they only draw men on with false promises and when they obtain control of the state, try boldly and unscrupulously to deprive men of their supreme spiritual goods—the Christian commandments, Christian hope, and Christian faith. Those who adhere to the doctrines these men propose, minimize or eliminate all that our present age and our modern civilization hold dearest: true liberty and the authentic dignity of the human person. Thus they attempt to destroy the bases of Christianity and civilization.
Blessed John XXIII
Ad Petri Cathedram

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27 comments:

Andreas said...

Sounds like Obama...

beng said...

An excelente pick of quotes.

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

DOn't forget that Nepal has just become a Communist state. Extreme socialism ain't dead, folks.

Anonymous said...

whatever happened to "Jesus the revolutionary socialist?"

LeonG said...

Indeed, Carlos, and Latin America is slowly reddening too.

Some people in The Church have never quite understood that 'dialogue" with communism and its disciples, as it is with other particular global movements, is a sign of weakness to them. While one side respects the rules of the conversation, the other is subverting the institution that is giving it the freedom to talk, in the first place.

In communism we may discover its origins which have been spawned in the evolutionary hypothesis.

Anonymous said...

ISRAELI TEEN GANG ATTACKS ARABS

By Rev. Ted Pike


It was April 30, 2008—eve of the National Day of Prayer and Holocaust Remembrance Day. In America, approximately 40,000 Christian churches prepared to remember God’s past goodness and pray for future national deliverance. In Israel, Jews of all persuasions prepared to remember how badly Gentiles treated their people, especially during the Holocaust. They vow to never, never forget.

That fateful day, a message began to circulate, via the internet, among Jewish youth in Jerusalem. It said every "real Jew" should meet at 10 p.m. at a north Jerusalem shopping mall—to kill Arabs! Haaretz’s extensive news story reports that as many as 200 teenage boys gathered in the mall to attack.

Because the mall had been closed in anticipation of Holocaust Remembrance Day, not an Arab was seen for two hours. Finally, two Arab teens passed on their way home to their refugee camp. The Jewish youth descended on them. They kicked, beat, and stabbed the two teens. Fortunately, a police vehicle happened by. The teenage mob scattered.

One assailant told police that the fiercest attack began on the smaller Arab boy. "I more or less saw that they jumped, kicked, stepped on him, on the Arab. The kid was a trampoline and punching bag…I cried a little on the side. And then the police came, and all of them ran away like ants. If the police hadn't come after five minutes, that boy would have been done for. I came back after three or four minutes to see what was happening with him, and I heard him shouting, 'Mother, mother!'"

Another participant said, "I saw the Arab running with holes in his back and his whole jacket was full of blood." The emergency room log reports, "Hematoma under right eye, shortness of breath, stabbed by a knife in two places on the back part of the chest cavity," etc. Surgeons had to open the boy’s stomach to remove blood and air.

Police phone records following the attack revealed exultation among several of the assailants and keen anticipation of another attack in about a month. Haaretz says this "was not another case of routine juvenile violence but an unusual incident of racist-nationalist proportions."

Haaretz reports that some Jewish parents actually drove their children to the mall, evidently aware of what was to take place. A former security guard from the mall "heard what happened here on the eve on Holocaust Day and doesn't hide his satisfaction." The guard said, "The police don't do anything, and the time has come for someone to take the law into their own hands. It's a very good thing."

Meanwhile, throughout Israel, militant orthodox rabbis intensify calls for violence against Arabs and mass expulsions of Arabs from Israel. Even Christian Jews experience daily acts of persecution, as anti-Arab, anti-Christian sentiment in Israel increases. Polls show a large percentage of Israelis favor transfer of Arabs from Israel.

Media Blackout

Did you see this story featured in either the Christian or secular news media? It wasn't. Like the burning of hundreds of New Testaments in Israel last month, the pro-Israel media usually censors such unflattering stories. Also, there is no suggestion, even in the Haaretz article, that this attack, like the Bible burnings, is a hate crime.

The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, PR representative for Israel and hate law henchman to the world, imposes anti-Christian hate laws on every nation they can except Israel. Why? Because hate laws are intended to entrap Christians, not Israelis. If Israel prosecuted its hundreds of bias-motivated hate crimes over the past decades, it would clog their courts for the next generation!

It's no accident that this "racist-nationalist" incident took place on the eve on Holocaust Remembrance Day. Clearly, as the internet messages stated, the attack was to be a collective act of young Jewish pride and vengeance against Arabs -- Gentiles who symbolized all who had oppressed Jews for centuries, especially during the Holocaust.

These Jewish youths were victims of a "never forget, never forgive" sickness within Judaism.

Evangelical Christians think Talmudic Judaism, as part of our "Judeo-Christian tradition," is a kindred faith, sharing the same high-minded ethical traditions of Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The ethics of Christianity are forward-looking, encouraging that Christians be "forgetting what lies behind and looking forward to what lies ahead."(Phil. 3:13) Christians are to do the opposite of what comes naturally. They are to pray for those who have abused them, turning the other cheek and doing good to their oppressors. The Christian's desire is to bring enemies to repentance and salvation, not punishment and destruction.

The Talmud contends, however, that, if you know your enemy wants to kill you, you should not pray for him or show him kindness; you should kill him first! Judaism teaches that safety for Jews consists of never, never forgetting what the "goyim" have done to their ancestors. This memory, Judaism insists, is essential in guaranteeing such oppression will never happen again.

Protection through bitterness and revenge is not unique to Judaism. Feuding groups, from ethnic minorities of the Balkans to the Catholics and Protestants of Northern Ireland to the Sunnis and Shiites of the Moslem world, all vow to never forget past atrocities. They take up the sword of unforgiveness and vengeance. Generations die from that sword. The result is only blood and more bad blood.

Christ taught that it’s best not to create offenses in the first place. As God exiled the Jews to Babylon in 597 B.C. He told them through Jeremiah that they would have peace if they earnestly sought the peace and welfare of their host nations (Jer. 29:7). Tragically, in Babylon, most Jews followed the advice of the emerging scribes and Pharisees. These evil, racist leaders taught that all Jews are holy and semi-divine. Racially and spiritually superior to Gentile "beasts," Jews are destined to rule. 1 In fact, rabbis taught in the Kabbalah that a world in which Jews do not rule is a world in chaos. Every Jew is obligated to "restore order" by weakening Gentile power through any possible means. Only by such subversion would messiah (anti-Christ) be realized.

As a result of this racist-revolutionary impetus, Jewish wanderings over the past millennia have been punctuated by expulsions from some 60 countries. Did this happen, as Jews contend, entirely from Christian and Gentile bigotry? Or was Jewish supremacism the thorn that provoked Gentile outrage?

Programmed to Hate

The possibly 200 youths who gathered to attack Arabs had been saturated in the "never forgive, never forget" hate speech inherent in Talmudic Judaism. They knew nothing of the "love your enemy" ethics of Christianity, just as their parents, rabbis, politicians, and military leaders do not. If Israel fully practiced, even for one day, Christian ethics of love toward one's enemies, the whole Mid-East would rapidly begin to be transformed for the better.

Instead, Israel hits the Arabs, and the Arabs hit back. Back and forth for generations, the hatred only deepens.

That's why the Mid-East bleeds.

That's why two innocent Arab boys bled in a shopping mall in north Jerusalem.

That's why thousands of American troops have bled in the Middle East today -- out of a misguided duty to protect the misdeeds of a nation and religion whose guiding principles are massively, destructively wrong.




Endnote:

1. The Zohar, or Kabbalah, is considered divinely inspired by religious Jews. Most Orthodox Jews accept its authority as equal to the Talmud's. Ultraorthodox Jews consider it superior. In only one of many passages, the Zohar upholds the exalted status of Jews and degraded state of Gentiles

Anonymous said...

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 4, 2008

Vatican Answers to Chief Rabbinate of Counterfeit Israel
The Chief Rabbinate of counterfeit Israel requested that the Good Friday liturgy be changed in July of 2007 and their wish was fulfilled on Shrove Tuesday only six months later:


http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/08/chief-rabbinate-of-israel.html

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-latin-good-friday-prayer.html

When the requested change in the liturgy was delivered, the Chief Rabbinate of "Israel" requested further clarification which the Vatican offered on May 14th, 2008 according to the ADL and AJC websites. The document makes clear that Benedict's prayer "is not intended to promote proselytism toward the Jews" but that it "opens up an eschatological [end times] perspective." Also, according to this document, the Chief Rabbinate and other modern Pharisees that the Vatican "dialogues" with the are heirs to the promises God made to Abraham; the rabbis and their anti-Bible, anti-Christ contrivance has God's blessing.

Vatican Letter to Israeli Chief Rabbinate

SECRETARIAT OF STATE

From the Vatican, 14 May 2008

Dear Sir,

I write with reference to the Statement issued by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel in response to the publication of the Note of 4 February 2008, altering the Oremus et pro Judaeis prayer in the 1962 edition of the Missale Romanum.

In this regard, I would point out that – by means of the “Communiqué of the Secretariat of State” which appeared in the daily edition of L’Osservatore Romano on 5 April 2008, and subsequently in the weekly language editions of the same publication, the Holy See has clearly emphasized the Catholic Church’s firm commitment, especially in the wake of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, to promote and develop relations with the Jews through dialogue marked by profound respect, sincere esteem and cordial friendship. This commitment remains unchanged, especially in view of the spiritual links that exist between Jews and Christians.

As you have observed, particular prominence has also been given to a substantial and detailed article on the subject by Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Commission for Religious Relations with Judaism. This article appeared on the front page of L’Osservatore Romano on 10 April 2008, as a sign of the importance attributed to the text and the fact that what it says about the new version of the Prayer for the Jews in the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal is commonly held. Among other things, the Cardinal emphasized that a sincere dialogue between Jews and Christians is possible, on the one hand, on the basis of our common faith in the one God, Creator of heaven and earth, and in the promises made to Abraham, but on the other hand, through respectfully acknowledging the fundamental difference over faith in Jesus as Christ and Redeemer of all mankind. As Cardinal Kasper clearly explains, the new Oremus et pro Judaeis is not intended to promote proselytism toward the Jews, and it opens up an eschatological perspective. Christians, however, cannot but bear witness to their faith, in full and total respect for the freedom of others, and this leads them also to pray that all will come to recognize Christ.

Likewise, on his recent visit to the United States of America, the Holy Father gave a number of indications of his sentiments towards the Jews. Indeed, after meeting the representatives of various religions, the Pope particularly wanted to receive a group of Jewish religious leaders in order to hand over to them a special Message on the occasion of the great feast of Pesah, devoted to celebrating the great marvels that Almighty God has worked for his people.

In New York, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI visited a synagogue in order to meet personally a Jewish community whose Rabbi was a survivor from the Nazi extermination camps. He wanted to manifest his sympathy, affection and closeness to the Jewish people, and to demonstrate, through a tangible and special gesture, the Holy See’s commitment to respectful and loving dialogue, which leads to ever deeper relations of friendship and understanding.

In the hope that this letter may serve to dispel any remaining doubt on the part of the Chief Rabbinate over the Catholic Church’s stance towards the Jewish people and over the intentions behind the alteration of the Oremus et pro Judaeis of the 1962 Missale Romanum, I remain


Yours sincerely,

Tarcisio Card. Bertone
Secretary of State

http://www.adl.org/Interfaith/
letter_from_vatican.asp

Anonymous said...

THURSDAY, JUNE 5, 2008

First Things Speaks to the Kashrut-Katholic Golem
Wolf in priest's clothing, Richard John Neuhaus is founder of the Kosher-Katholic rag, First Things whose purpose is "to advance a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society." While Neuhaus' mission statement doesn't say which religion the philosophy he is attempting to reorder society around derives from, it is not difficult to ascertain--it's rabbinic Judaism. We know this because Neuhaus has peddled hair-splitting pilpul intended to confuse rabbinic "premptive" destruction halacha with Catholic just war doctrine. "Preemptive" destruction is perfectly Catholic as long as you call it "defense" rather than "preemptive war" according to John Neuhaus. I am reminded of how the rabbis called the indiscriminate destruction of the defenseless nation of Lebanon by the Israeli military an act of "defense" and how this applies to the Palestinian territories on a day to day basis.

Thanks to Richard John Neuhaus we now live in a United States that has been reordered around rabbinic "preemptive" destruction ideology among many other rabbinic absurdities in absolute opposition to Christian principles. Neuhaus did not bring about this transformation alone, of course. Podhorwitz, Krystol, Krauthammer and others played key roles, but what makes Neuhaus, his pal Skull and Bones Bill Buckley and Michael Novak so pernicious is that they neutralized what should have been the major opposition group to the rabbinic "preemptive war" zeitgeist--Catholics--and they accomplished this even while the Judaized Vatican mouthed opposition to a war on Iraq. But far beyond simply neutralizing Catholics during the run up to the destruction of Iraq, Neuhaus and friends seem to have transformed Catholics into a golem which does the will of the rabbis in nearly all matters without even being payed for it like Neuhaus is.

This is a remarkable feat of human alchemy. Neuhaus must have been a sorcerer's apprentice to his old friend, Vatican II change-agent Rabbi Abraham Heschel, a Kabbalist who was invited to participate in the writing of the Vatican II document Nostra Aetate who at that very time confided to his fellow "Jews" regarding Christians, "I want to attack their souls."

see:

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/12/vatican-ii-kabbalist-sage-rabbi-abraham.html

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/02/kabbalist-vatican-ii-civil-rights.html

Behold the latest First Things tripe offered for the intellectual edification of the Kashrut-Katholic Golem:

Zionism for Christians

by David Shushon

Copyright (c) 2008 First Things (June/July 2008).

Israel always matters. Biblical scholars have devoted endless pages to ancient Israel as a religious idea, and pundits have penned endless newspaper columns about modern Israel as a geopolitical entity. The deeper implications, however, have received less attention than they deserve in recent years, overshadowed by the exigencies of Middle Eastern politics. Indeed, real questions remain: What does the sheer existence of the modern state of Israel mean for theology—particularly for Christian theology? And what does that theology mean for the continuing existence of Israel?

“Hardly anybody will dispute that the foundation of this state had something to do with the biblical prophecy,” Christoph Cardinal Schönborn said in 1996, “even if that something is hard to define.” At present, the major Christian denominations are kindly disposed toward Judaism, and many Christians—­especially American evangelicals—strongly support the State of Israel ...

Full article:

http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=6227

Anonymous said...

I love this blog but quite often we see a vast army of neo-catholics coming to this blog condemning 'socialism' in every other land while they cannot see it in the United States of America. It has been here for years and it was not solely wrought by the 'left'. Americans are caught in the left/right false dichotomy and most of them cannot see their way out. Read any one of the excerpts offered in this posting concerning Papal reminders and see if it does not apply to America. Reread Rerum Novarum, QUADRAGESIMO ANNO or even Divini Redemptoris and see if you cannot see the United States of America there. I have become so disgusted with Catholics in America--all they do is talk about the 'right' and the 'left' but they do not talk or fight for the truth. Wake up!!! I suppose Our Lord was a moderate republican right?

Adam said...

If anyone is wondering, the Chinese script in the picture says "Chairman Mao, ad multos annos!

LeonG said...

With the Talmud having lost its way again, the moderation process must be about to mobilise itself.

New Catholic said...

I am sick and tired - literally. So, dear resident Anti-Semite, knock yourself out.

Anonymous said...

As anon 07:24, I must add since new Catholic wants to throw around the utterly vacuous phrase 'anti-Semite' I believe we would do well to hear the words of people actually on the ground in Israel:

"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God." (Matthew 5:9)

Christian Zionism is a modern theological and political movement that embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism, thereby becoming detrimental to a just peace within Palestine and Israel.

The Christian Zionist program provides a worldview where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it laces an emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ's love and justice today.

We categorically reject Christian Zionist doctrines as false teaching that corrupts the biblical message of love, justice and reconciliation.

We further reject the contemporary alliance of Christian Zionist leaders and organizations with elements in the governments of Israel and the United States that are presently imposing their unilateral preemptive borders and domination over Palestine.

This inevitably leads to unending cycles of violence that undermine the security of all peoples of the Middle East and the rest of the world.

We reject the teachings of Christian Zionism that facilitate and support these policies as they advance racial exclusivity and perpetual war rather than the gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by Jesus Christ.

Rather than condemn the world to the doom of Armageddon we call upon everyone to liberate themselves from the ideologies of militarism and occupation. Instead, let them pursue the healing of the nations!

We call upon Christians in Churches on every continent to pray for the Palestinian and Israeli people, both of whom are suffering as victims of occupation and militarism. These discriminative actions are turning Palestine into impoverished ghettos surrounded by exclusive Israeli settlements.

The establishment of the illegal settlements and the construction of the Separation Wall on confiscated Palestinian land undermine the viability of a Palestinian state as well as peace and security in the entire region.

We call upon all Churches that remain silent, to break their silence and speak for reconciliation with justice in the Holy Land.

Therefore, we commit ourselves to the following principles as an alternative way:

We affirm that all people are created in the image of God. In turn they are called to honor the dignity of every human being and to respect their inalienable rights.

We affirm that Israelis and Palestinians are capable of living together within peace, justice and security.

We affirm that Palestinians are one people, both Muslim and Christian. We reject all attempts to subvert and fragment their unity.

We call upon all people to reject the narrow world view of Christian Zionism and other ideologies that privilege one people at the expense of others.

We are committed to non-violent resistance as the most effective means to end the illegal occupation in order to attain a just and lasting peace.

With urgency we warn that Christian Zionism and its alliances are justifying colonization, apartheid and empire-building.

God demands that justice be done. No enduring peace, security or reconciliation is possible without the foundation of justice. The demands of justice will not disappear. The struggle for justice must be pursued diligently and persistently but without violence.

"What does the Lord require of you: To act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." (Micah 6:8)

This is where we take our stand. We stand for justice. We can do no other. Justice alone guarantees a peace that will lead to reconciliation with a life of security and prosperity for all the peoples of our land. By standing on the side of justice, we open ourselves to the work of peace -- and working for peace makes us childdren of God.

"God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." (2 Corinthians 5:19)



Jerusalem, 22 August AD 2006

/s/

Patriarch Michel Sabbah, Latin Patriarchate Jerusalem

Archbishop Swerios Malki Mourad,Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate, Jerusalem

Bishop Riah Abu El-Assal, Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and the Middle East

Bishop Munib Younan, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land

Jordanes said...

Hope you'll be feeling better soon, New Catholic. If the Anti-Semitic Obsessive is given free rein here, it will be almost impossible to have any intelligent discussions here, and the reputation of Rorate Coeli will unjustly suffer.

LeonG said...

New Catholic

This is an admirable and in many ways unique site. There is a useful range of perspectives represented. Unlike many sites of this ilk your own approach is understood clearly by us all but you do not allow this to overshadow, apprehend and delete other views rationally given, of course, without personal insults. You have come a long way in the time it has existed over various sensitive areas such as the SSPX issue, for example. You deserve applause for this. You dare broach the sodomite issue too and sensibly permit just enough time for discussion before the tone predictably becomes too graphic. There are other, perhaps more frequented and popular sites where even objectively raised arguments are deleted because they constitute an affront of some type.
For "Rorate Caeli" this is not the case.

If you moderate, I support this as of necessity. Somehow this site must continue as it is needed. The posts are usually unique in some way, they form an interesting mix and it is a reference point for many of us. Generally speaking, when we disagree it is in an academic and respectful manner for the most part. This has been thanks in great part to your gentle and patient insistence.

Whatever you do, do not give up. Our self-hating Judaeo-phobe has to be pitied more than condemned. His obsession is certainly not Catholic and it is source of immense bitterness to him. He is in great need of our prayers.

If there is no other way - moderate.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry to hear that New Catholic is ill. My prayers go with you.

That said, it is revealing that some of you console yourselves imagining that there is only one dissenter from the Judaizing nonsense that prevails here.

I have not seen even one post by the opponents of Judaizing that objectively transgressed perennial teaching.

If there is anything that objectively transgresses the Faith, PROVE IT. CITE MAGISTERIUM. Otherwise, overcome your emotional subjectivity and eschew your prideful and hypocritical use of those tired ritual epithets.

DR. HERBERT R. said...

what is this obsession with a confessional state? Remember that the Church is not called to build an earthly kingdom...our vocation is to God, heavenly and not of this world.

Anonymous said...

What is this obsession for a secular state? Separation of Church and State is not a Catholic doctrine, but a Freemasonic tactic.

Justin C Bolger said...

As the first commenter posted, sounds like Obama.

Jordanes said...

I have not seen even one post by the opponents of Judaizing that objectively transgressed perennial teaching.

It's not "opponents of Judaising" who have been spamming this weblog with off-topic, scurrilous anti-Semitic libels and propaganda, it's at least one anti-Semitic obsessive troll. If there is more than one anti-Semite who also has been spamming Rorate Caeli, all the worse. If you are saying you are responsible for some of the above off-topic anti-Semitic propaganda, then I guess you too are free to "knock yourself out" as New Catholic said.

Jordanes said...

As the first commenter posted, sounds like Obama.

Ever since I first heard Barack Obama in person, about a year after his election to the Senate, I have had the uneasy sense that, whenever Antichrist comes on the scene, he will have just the kind of uncanny charisma and gift of oratory. The occasion when I heard him was a speech to journalists, and it really seemed that almost everyone in that crowd was ready to sell their souls and the souls of their children and their next door neighbors' children to the Devil if Mr. Obama had told them to. For so many reasons, it would be a disaster for the U.S. and the human race if he, or anyone like him, were to attain to high executive power. He has gifts, but it is not in God's service that he uses them.

Orlando Furioso said...

Nepal's Maoists are motivated mostly not by atheism and materialism, but by throwing out the corrupt royal family which has run the country and its industries for over 200 years.
Even with the Maoist parliamentary block (36%), Nepal still has 55 political parties represented in their parliament, 53 fewer than the USA.
As for the confessional state, sure that's be nice but isn't there enough grace available to be a saint in a non-confessional state too?

Jordanes said...

Nepal's Maoists are motivated mostly not by atheism and materialism

Don't you believe it. It's impossible to be a "Maoist" without being motivated chiefly by atheism, materialism, and a desire to lord it over others. The pagan Nepalese monarchy was bad, but rule by Maoist Communist terrorists won't be any better.

As for the confessional state, sure that's be nice but isn't there enough grace available to be a saint in a non-confessional state too?

It's not just "nice," it's the preferred form of government because all things are rightly ordered only when brought under the lordship of Jesus Christ. And yes, one can attain holiness and sainthood under any or all forms of government, but that doesn't mean it is a matter of indifference whether or not a society is conformed to divinely-revealed truth and natural law.

Ione said...

Nepal's Maoists are seeking justice for themselves, and Marxism is the only savior they have been offered. The missionary Church indeed!

Anonymous said...

Jordanes, "troll"? "antisemite"? That is your idea of Magisterium, perennial teaching? of modeling Catholic behavior? Your persistence in name calling reveals only the bankruptcy of your Judaizing.

Try this:

“Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed at which are contained in the written Word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the church, either in a solemn pronouncement [ex cathedra extra ordinary Magisterium ], or in her ordinary and universal teaching power [a.v., “what has always been taught,” ordinary Magisterium ], to be believed as a divinely revealed.” Vatican Council, Session III Dogmatic Constitution Concerning the Catholic Faith (April 24, 1870) in Denziger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, §1792

Then this:

Ҥ 712 It [the Holy Catholic Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to Divine worship at that time, after our Lord's coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the Sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors....
“§714 The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire 'which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,' (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, alms deeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

---Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecumenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denziger Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 712-714

“The faithlessness of the Synagogue is an insult to the Savior. Therefore He chose the bark of Peter, and deserted that of Moses; that is, He rejected the faithless Synagogue, and adopts the believing Church.” —St. Ambrose, Doctor of the Church Sermo 37, The Two Ships

Jordanes said...

Have you ever tried thinking or talking about something besides how diabolical Jews and Judaism are?

Have you ever tried to find out what "Judaising" is?

Have you ever considered contributing a comment that has something to do with the topic at hand?

Fr. J. said...

Devout Catholic, I believe, are less susceptible to the wiles of an Obama. We have seen and know the real thing. And we have authentic messangers aplenty of the Holy One. Consider Benedict and Obama becomes a cheep plastic counterfeit.

But for the rest, they are quite susceptible to this false prophet:

http://theblackcordelias.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/barak-the-magic-negro/