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Important: Transalpine Redemptorists on the move
Now regularized


Very relevant news made public by the Transalpine Redemptorists, children of Saint Alphonsus Maria Liguori and helped throughout their history by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX):

1 July, 2008
Feast of the Precious Blood

My dear friends,

I am happy to inform you that last June 18th, before Cardinal Castrillon and the members of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in Rome, I humbly petitioned the Holy See on my own behalf and on behalf of the monastery council for our priestly suspensions to be lifted.

On June 26th I received word that the Holy See had granted our petition. All canonical censures have been lifted.

Our community now truly rejoices in undisputed and peaceful posession of Communion with the Holy See because our priests are now in canonical good standing.

We are very grateful to our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI for issuing, last July, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum which called us to come into undisputed and peaceful Communion with him.

Now we have that undisputed communion! It is a pearl of great price; a treasure hidden in the field; a sweetness that cannot be imagined by those who have not tasted it or who have not known it, now for many years. Its value cannot be fully expressed in earthly language and therefore we hope that all traditional priests who have not yet done so, will answer Pope Benedict's call to enjoy the grace of peaceful and undisputed communion with him. Believe us, the price to pay is nothing; even all the angry voices that have shouted against us and calumniated us are as nothing when weighed in the scales against undisputed communion with the Vicar of Christ; others have died for it; what are raucous voices?

We publicly thank all those souls who have prayed for us over the last months; some of you have truly stormed heaven for us. You have kept us afloat. We are deeply grateful. Especially we thank that priest who was unknown to us, until June 16th when he wrote in fraternal support. Where did he come from? Why us? But he told us of the number of Masses, Offices, prayers and sacrifices he had personally said for us; he had also enlisted the prayers of contemplatives and Third Order societies and had a great number of people fervently praying for us with an abundance of prayers. We were amazed! Thank you Father! Thank you also to that brave person who, so kindly wrote to us to say that if he said any more prayers for us he would be floating! What wonderful people! Thank you!

Looking to the future, the next stage will be to have our community canonically erected. So please, dear friends, keep praying for us, there will be many crosses to bear; but they will be yokes sweetened by the grace of these last days.

We assure you all of our very best wishes.
Your devoted servant,

Fr. Michael Mary, C.SS.R.
Vicar General

58 comments:

Johnny Womack said...

GOD BE PRAISED! ALLELUIA!!!

Johnny Womack said...

ALLELUIA!!! GOD BE PRAISED!!!

Giangaleazzo said...

May this be a further stimulus for the renewal of Catholic life the world over, through an authentic Catholic spirit and sacrifices!

Anonymous said...

Let's think of special ways to give God thanks!

This is wonderful news! Absolutely wonderful!

M.A.

Anonymous said...

TE DEUM LAUDAMUS

ProMarcelLefebvre said...

In exchange for what?

Jordanes said...

Good news indeed. Hopefully we won't have too much longer to wait for the same news to be announced for the SSPX.

tradcath89 said...

DEO GRATIAS!

What wonderful news! May the SSPX be next!

Anonymous said...

promarcellefebvre,

In exchange for humility.

Dan Hunter said...

"In exchange for what?"

Unity with the Barque of Peter.
Unity with Almighty God
Father
Son and Holy Ghost.
Treausure in Heaven.

They will not have to offer the Novus Ordo or concelebrate, or take part in any post conciliar fabrications.
They are not even allowed to.

Deo Gratias!!!
Praise God Almighty!!!
We are becoming a tightly knit and compacted body, once again.

This is awesome news.

Are there any Transalpine Redemptorists in the US?

Dan Hunter said...

"In exchange for what?"

Unity with the Barque of Peter.
Unity with Almighty God
Father
Son and Holy Ghost.
Treausure in Heaven.

They will not have to offer the Novus Ordo or concelebrate, or take part in any post conciliar fabrications.
They are not even allowed to.

Deo Gratias!!!
Praise God Almighty!!!
We are becoming a tightly knit and compacted body, once again.

This is awesome news.

Are there any Transalpine Redemptorists in the US?

Anonymous said...

What is so good about all this, if a traditionalist community starts having to say the Novus Ordo?


That is nothing good....and certainly not something to say "God be Praised!!" and "Alleluia" over.

Ma Tucker said...

Thanks be to God.

Anonymous said...

I hope that their steps will serve to allay the fears of many in the SSPX who are still hesitant, thinking that some "compromise" may be involved.

Anonymous said...

alsaticus :
this event is parallel with the turmoil around SSPX-PCED "5 points".
Maybe we have here another explanation of the sudden rush for June 31 from PCED.

It would be interesting to know more : have the Transalpine Redemptorists signed the 5 points ?
What sort of doctrinal declaration have they signed ? if any ?
What sort of canonical status are they going to get ?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, absolutely no compromise was required. They don't have to say the Novus Ordo, or partake of any other post-concilliar novelty.

The Traditional Catholic faith is free, no matter how much some still want to act as if it's not.

the frog from the south said...

This is excellent news! Some may want to celebrate it by making a contribution to the community:

http://www.papastronsay.com/monastery_appeal.htm

Florestan said...

To quote the vicar general, Fr. Michael Mary:

Now we have that undisputed communion! It is a pearl of great price; a treasure hidden in the field; a sweetness that cannot be imagined by those who have not tasted it or who have not known it, now for many years. Its value cannot be fully expressed in earthly language and therefore we hope that all traditional priests who have not yet done so, will answer Pope Benedict's call to enjoy the grace of peaceful and undisputed communion with him. Believe us, the price to pay is nothing; even all the angry voices that have shouted against us and calumniated us are as nothing when weighed in the scales against undisputed communion with the Vicar of Christ; others have died for it; what are raucous voices?

Louis E. said...

Possibly Papa Stronsay will become a territorial abbey,or they will become a priestly society like the IBP in France.

Anonymous said...

To answer one blogger, they have one monastery at Papa Stronsay, in the Orkney Island, Scotland (within the Diocese of Aberdeen) and one on South Island, New Zealand (Diocese of Christchurch). They also have houses (or did have) in England and France.

Note that they have canonical status but not yet any canonical structure. This means that, for the time being, their priests are relying on faculties directly from Rome. That is what I have suggested for the S.S.P.X pending the discussions over doctrine. I'm not sure they'll get that but we shall have to pray for it. There is a difference between the two groups. The Transalpines have complied with all the requirements of the Holy See.

P.K.T.P.

Joe B said...

Good news - if being regularized is really better than maintaining a disciplinary firewall between traditionalists and the powerful and direct authority of modernist Rome. Keep in mind that it may not work out so well. Is it better for souls if we just get along, or is it better not to expose our traditions to the pressure of modernist Rome? I don't attend an SSPX chapel, but I know there is a legitimate issue there and there is no easy answer for it, but it appears to me SSPX is acting solely on tradition and Rome is acting almost solely on modernism, and I favor the former.

I don't know what will become of these good Catholics, but if the history of traditionalist organizations caving into the easy way is any indication, divisions will quickly become apparent, then modernism will infest their daily rituals, and they will become far less effective in their spiritual lives than they were. Come on now, how many healthy monasteries has Rome nourished since VC II?

Quite frankly, Rome seems to have a talent for destroying them. And convents. I think this is a mistake. Too early to cave.

schoolman said...

TE DEUM LAUDAMUS!!!

Joe B said...

How can we say they won't have to celebrate the Novus Ordo in time? I don't know who their prelate of authority is, but he may well be a Novus Ordo type, and so would they refuse to celebrate the chrism (Novus Ordo) mass with him, thus challenging the tradition of that being a unity mass? What if some members want to join in that mass, or offer other Novus Ordo masses as well? The war over whether a priest can refuse to offer a Novus Ordo mass without penalty has yet to be settled, but I think I know the answer, and I don't think we can say we know how these details will be handled. Murky waters, you know. That's the whole risky issue, and one such issue can destroy a monastery, which must have unity to have peace, so essential to its life.

ProMarcelLefebvre said...

Time will tell...remember Campos.
They would not have existed without the spiritual and financial support of SSPX families and parishioners. A friend of mine who is in Papa Stronsay is very upset.

Now they are under a Novus Ordo bishop.

richard williamson's cat said...

Yes, yes, we understand. Rome has lost the Faith, the SSPX is the only remnant of Catholicism in the world, and any apparent ecclesiological issues this raises are modernist smokescreens.

Thank you, Joe, for enlightening us.

Anonymous said...

What is so good about all this, if a traditionalist community starts having to say the Novus Ordo?


That is nothing good....and certainly not something to say "God be Praised!!" and "Alleluia" over.


Do you honestly think they will be forced to celebrate the Novus Ordo? This smacks of paranoia.

cosimo, italy said...

AVE MARIA

Even from
the "far" south of italy
I thank God!!!!
Alleluja.
Only with "petrus"
it's possible
being
"CHURCH".

Melchior Cano said...

Everyone who is concerned about these situations loves to say, "look what they did to the Fraternity of St. Peter, look what happened to Campos." For some reason, no one ever mentions the most recent regularization, the Institute of the Good Shepherd. Oh wait...thats because they haven't compromised so its not really good for the rhetoric. Give me a break.

Melchior Cano

Paulo said...

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/

Considering that in their "Declaration in Relations to Rome" they affirmed that:

"We hold firmly with all our heart and with all our mind to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic Faith and of the traditions necessary to the maintenance of this faith, to the eternal Rome, mistress of wisdom and truth.

We refuse on the other hand, and have always refused, to follow the Rome of Neo-Modernist and Neo-Protestant tendencies, which became clearly manifest during the Second Vatican Council, and after the Council, in reforms which issued from it."

That is why we hold firmly to everything that has been consistently taught and practiced by the Church (and in books published before the Modernist influence of the Council) concerning faith, morals, divine worship, catechetics, priestly formation, and the institution of the Church.

These forty years of crisis, the empty convents, the abandoned presbyteries, the empty churches and the sad state of Catholic education has finally awakened the realisation at the highest level of the Church that we are in a period of crisis. This realisation has produced a visible change in the will of Rome: no longer are the orientations of the 1960's and 70's to be imposed with the uncaring absolutism of "that period with all its hopes and its confusion." Rome is ready to admit that "omissions on the part of the Church have had their share of the blame..." Rome is ready to ask pardon for the "arbitrary deformations of the liturgy (that) caused deep pain..."2

Henceforth, the combat for the Faith finds itself on an extended front: we are called to play a humble part in the revival of traditional Catholic practice in the universal Church for a new generation that no longer cares for the novelties of the Second Vatican Council


Being able to declare what they did and still be able to have their status regularlized is exceptional!!! This shows how far our Holy Father is extending his hands to bring this battle against modernism to within the Church.

Anonymous said...

"..a sweetness that cannot be imagined by those who have not tasted it or who have not known it, now for many years..."

I post the above in response to what Joe B say said, ".. a monastery, which must have unity to have peace, so essential to its life."

The Transalpines are tasting of that sweetness of reunion which gives peace to their souls. They followed their conscience, and therein is their peace.

As someone suggested, one could express gratitude and support by monetary donations. I think that is an excellent idea. Something I will definitely be doing.

M.A.

Anonymous said...

Someone wrote here that they are now under the Novus Ordo Bishop [of Aberdeen]. Not so. They are canonically in good standing but still await regularisation. Until regularised, there is no change.

Once they are regularised, they may get a abbacy nullius or two (which aer exempt from the local sees they are in), or they may be incorporated into the hoped-for international diocese for tradition. Let's wait on this before jumping to conclusions.

For the time being, their Masses fulfil the obligation in the Dioceses of Aberdeen (Scotland) and Christchurch (New Zealand), even though they are not under those bishops so far.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Why all the hand wringing.

"Son, thou art always with me, and all I have is thine. But it was fit that we should make merry and be glad, for this thy brother was dead and is come to life again; he was lost, and is found." Luke 15. Vs 31 - 32 Douay Rheims Bible.

Let us continue to pray for our brothers in the Priestly Society of St. Pius X that they may hear the call of the Holy Spirit.

New Catholic said...

Let me add to the comment of Mr Perkins (P.K.T.P.): the use of the word regularized in this post means that these priests and brothers are no longer in an "irregular situation", the terminological expression preferably used by the Holy See in such affairs for decades. They are certainly not irregular in relation to the Holy See anymore, even if their current position is, by its very nature, transitional - and in this narrower sense their situation will be fully regularized when it is canonically settled.

Joe B said...

Thanks for that post, Paulo. I'm very impressed that such language was agreed to by both parties. For words, it sounds strong.

But look at these words: These forty years of crisis, the empty convents, the abandoned presbyteries, the empty churches and the sad state of Catholic education has finally awakened the realisation at the highest level of the Church that we are in a period of crisis.

Admission of an ongoing crisis - what was the FSSPX's defense against the excommunication, that Canon law denies excommunication as a penalty for ordaining bishops without Rome's approval if there is even a perceived crisis? So will Rome be hastily and justly lifting the excommunication decree? If only they had insisted on that before signing the agreement, that might have provided some confidence that what follows is true.

This realisation has produced a visible change in the will of Rome.

I'll need some evidence of that. Rome is a big place. I don't see the love for tradition.

No longer are the orientations of the 1960's and 70's to be imposed with the uncaring absolutism of "that period with all its hopes and its confusion."

No more imposing orientations means Rome will allow anything at all. Yes, we have evidence galore of that. There will be more division and chaos.

Rome is ready to admit that "omissions on the part of the Church have had their share of the blame...". Rome is ready to ask pardon for the "arbitrary deformations of the liturgy (that) caused deep pain..."

Great. Pontius Pilate (I didn't do it, I just failed to stop it) makes an apology. These were sins of commission, not omission. Omission means we don't have to actively root out the errors and stop them. And that's the point - FSSPX wants the root errors addressed, not just apologies.

Look carefully at these words and notice that they don't contain any meaningful actions on Rome's part. These good men of deeds are playing word games with lawyers. I certainly could be wrong, but I think they probably should have let the FSSPX negotiations mature awhile before making this commitment.

Father Mark said...

Deo gratias.

Anonymous said...

Good news, but let us wait to see what becomes of the canonical structure.

Trinity said...

Good news, but let us wait and see what becomes of the canonical structure, an international prelature for the traditional form of the Roman Rite?

Anonymous said...

Good news.

Cerimoniere said...

"Note that they have canonical status but not yet any canonical structure. This means that, for the time being, their priests are relying on faculties directly from Rome."

"Being in good standing" and "having canonical status" are not equivalent terms to "having faculties". Fr. Michael Mary's statement says only that their suspension has been lifted. They can therefore licitly celebrate Mass, but we have no reason to believe they have yet been given faculties by the Holy See. Presumably this would come with the recognition of their statutes and erection in some canonical form, if indeed it hasn't happened already.

Paulo said...

Joe B,

I believe that the lifting of the excommunications (which I actually believe are null) are just a matter of time. I'm convinced that there is no longer a case of necessity.

Anonymous said...

DEO GRATIAS!

Such are the men we need today. I encourage all to pray for them and wish them well.

ProMarcelLefebvre said...

So, will they be allowed to still preach against Modernism?

And they will be ok with bi-ritual bishops ordaining their seminarians?

They were always in union with the eternal barque of Peter. The present one is shipwrecked . You can compare it to the ferry that overturned off the coast of the Philippines.

It is so sad that they abandoned the fight just so that they can taste the "sweetness" of Modernist Rome.

John L said...

A pleasing feature of this is that bishop of Christchurch in New Zealand invited the FSSP to start an old mass there, now being said weekly in the cathedral, probably as a counter to the Redemptorist presence there - which has now been regularised.

crusader88 said...

Thanks be to God, alleluia!

LeonG said...

"...the price to pay is nothing".

Only time will reveal the actual price.

Syriacus said...

'BREAKING' NEWS
(Andrea Tornielli) :

"Roma e Fraternità San Pio X, il dialogo va avanti
Ho appreso da fonte certa che, al contrario di quanto emerso in certi articoli, la risposta della Fraternità alla lettera del cardinale Castrillòn non è stata affatto negativa. Il cardinale ne è stato contento, ha risposto a Fellay e ha subito fatto pervenire la lettera della Fraternità a Benedetto XVI. Al di là della scandenza di fine giugno, i lefebvriani chiedono tempo ma - sembra - cercheranno di attenersi ai cinque punti."



http://blog.ilgiornale.it/tornielli/2008/07/02/roma-e-fraternita-san-pio-x-il-dialogo-va-avanti/

Joe B said...

Paulo,
You disagree with Rome, then, who just said a crisis still exists. It is Rome which is in crisis, not traditionalists.

Paulo said...

Joe B,

No, I don't disagree with Rome! There is a very big difference between a case of necessity and a crisis. The church has gone through many crisis and this is just another one (I'm sure it will not be the last one either).
If you are either a supporter or a member of the SSPX you know very well that archbishop Lefebvre never asked for the end of the pos-conciliar crisis to regularize the situation with Rome. All he asked was to be able to continue the work of the SSPX. Here are his own words: "I think it would be to put in danger the continuation of the Society and the seminaries if I do not perform these consecrations." He also said: Being radically opposed to this destruction of our Faith and determined to remain within the traditional doctrine and discipline of the Church, especially as far as the formation of priests and the religious life is concerned, we find ourselves in the absolute necessity of having ecclesiastical authorities who embrace our concerns and will help us to protect ourselves against the spirit of Vatican II and the spirit of Assisi.

That is why we are asking for several bishops chosen from within Catholic Tradition, and for a majority of the members on the projected Roman Commission for Tradition, in order to protect ourselves against all compromise.

That was the case of necessity. If John Paul II had agreed to let the archbishop perform the consecrations without any penalties, archbishop Lefebvre would have never left the Church. It is foolish and a great sign of weakness to leave the church because of a crisis and archbishop Lefebvre would've never done it. He wasn't weak, he was a hero and a saint that was willing to fight for Tradition until his death.

Ione said...

Will they continue to heed Lefebvre? Or shall they disown him like the FSSP did.

Confiteor said...

I have just noticed on the Papa Stronsay blog that the post entitled "Declaration on Relations with Rome" has been removed. That post included a strong statement of resistance against neo-modernist and neo-protestant Rome.

Why was it removed?

I have posted this question on the Papa Stronsay blog as well as the Christchurch blog. While I am happy about the move toward reconciliation, the apparent censorship is disturbing.

confiteor said...

The Declaration can be found by search, although the link has been removed from the archives list.

Hard to know what to make of this.

Confiteor said...

Now the Declaration appears in the archive list under April (the name of the post is "Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us").

Honestly, it was not there before. Tricks of the devil? In any case, it is there now, DEO GRATIAS!

Joe B said...

Crisis and emergency - big difference?

Not buying it. Both existed, both exist, not a significant difference. That's diplomat-speak, not SI, SI, NO, NO.

I think you sell the holy Archbishop short, as he founded the FSSPX in the first place to preserve the faith, not to preserve an FSSPX which didn't exist.

La Salette said...

confiteor said:

"I have just noticed on the Papa Stronsay blog that the post entitled "Declaration on Relations with Rome" has been removed. That post included a strong statement of resistance against neo-modernist and neo-protestant Rome.

Why was it removed?

I have posted this question on the Papa Stronsay blog as well as the Christchurch blog. While I am happy about the move toward reconciliation, the apparent censorship is disturbing."

I would like to ask the same question.

confiteor said...

La Salette,

As noted in my follow-up comment, the Declaration ("Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us") is there now. It is the first of three posts under the April archive. When I looked a couple of days ago, there were only two posts under April and the Declaration was not one of them. Then it was there again a few hours later. Perhaps my mind was playing tricks on me, but I know what I saw. I wonder if anyone else noticed the same thing. Anyway, the post is there and contains the same strong statement of resistance against neo-Protestant and neo-Modernist Rome.

Paulo said...

Joe B,
You said:
"Crisis and emergency - big difference?

Not buying it. Both existed, both exist, not a significant difference. That's diplomat-speak, not SI, SI, NO, NO.

I think you sell the holy Archbishop short, as he founded the FSSPX in the first place to preserve the faith, not to preserve an FSSPX which didn't exist."


See how empty your arguments are? I take my time to cite archbishop Lefebvre's own words and give you a solid argument and all you have to say is "Not buying it?" or "not a significant difference". Give me a break!!! Your poor arguments are an insult to anyone's intelligence. Let me ask you a question and see if you can give me a straight answer. Do you believe archbishop Lefebvre would have left the church if Pope John Paul II had let him go on with the consecartions as the archbishop had planned?

TradMom said...

confiteor said:
Reverend Fathers, may we assume that the CATHOLIC newspaper editorial policy will remain unchanged?

'We use the coat of arms of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on the front page of CATHOLIC to show our unity in the Catholic Faith with the Society of St Pius X, and the papal insignia to manifest our desire to serve the Pope best by our fidelity to Tradition. We refuse to print any material favouring positions not held by the Society of St Pius X. Thus CATHOLIC follows the Society of St Pius X with regard to, for example, sedevacantism, the ‘Indult Mass’ and the Society of St Peter just as it does where the Papacy, the New Mass, ecumenism, theology and the crisis in the Church are concerned.This means that should a Bishop or District Superior of the SSPX ask us to correct something we have published, then we shall most certainly print his correction in submission and deference to his authority. It also means that we are prepared to accept advice and direction from any SSPX Bishop or District Superior.'

Tuesday, July 08, 2008

This is a good question.

Paulo said...

Yes, that is a good question. I also like the answer.

Dear Confiteor
Hardly!
That text was changed 18 months ago (January 2007 edition) when the SSPX policy on certain points was unclear.

Of late, since we opened relations with the Holy See, our paper has been banned from vast areas of the SSPX: The SSPX Asia district banned it a couple of months ago; the US District has said it will not be sold in their chapels; two of our national agents have already resigned....

This represents a mighty strain on a small paper.

Perhaps it also sends us a signal that we are no longer seen as being 'in communion' with some SSPX superiors.

Whatever of that, we knew the road ahead would not be easy, but we will continue to print CATHOLIC. An ajusted policy will silently respect these SSPX signals and clearly express our union with the Holy See as traditional Catholics responding to the letter which prefaced Pope Benedict XVI's Motu proprio of 7.7.7. where he said:

“I now come to the positive reason which motivated my decision to issue this Motu Proprio updating that of 1988. It is a matter of coming to an interior reconciliation in the heart of the Church. Looking back over the past, to the divisions which in the course of the centuries have rent the Body of Christ, one continually has the impression that, at critical moments when divisions were coming about, not enough was done by the Church’s leaders to maintain or regain reconciliation and unity. One has the impression that omissions on the part of the Church have had their share of blame for the fact that these divisions were able to harden. This glance at the past imposes an obligation on us today: to make every effort to enable for all those who truly desire unity to remain in that unity or to attain it anew."

His message is a Father's call to us, to all traditional Catholics. If he says there was not enough done by Church leaders, it is also true, that we traditional Catholics must strain and make every effort to avoid what could lead to a 'hardening of divisions' in the Church. The situation is critical; dangerous; it has gone beyond permitted limits. The Pope calls for a halt.

With the heart of Jesus Christ, Pope Benedict XVI especially reached out to us, and he called on the bishops to do the same.

With full Papal authority he assured the whole world that the old Mass is not abrogated and we may freely offer it.

That's enough!

The Pope, the Vicar of Christ has called to us especially urging us to 'remain in that unity [with him] or attain it anew'. ...

It is a duty to trust him. We do!

We act in consequence. The Catholic policy will be altered along these lines.

Fr Michael Mary, C.SS.R.