Rorate Caeli

You Report: Traditional Masses around the World - XIV
Fatima


A friend informs us that the Traditional Latin Mass is now being celebrated regularly in the Diocese of Leiria-Fatima, in Portugal. The weekly celebration takes place in the Chapel of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, in Fatima.

More pictures here.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Exciting!
I'll be there next time I visit Our Lady's shrine.

Anonymous said...

And the Host of our Holy Savior is pure white as it should be. Lovely.

I miss not having the FSSP where I am. However we do have a wonderful Jesuit priest saying the Holy Mass every Sunday. His generosity, despite his old age, and his love for the Holy Mother Church is amazing. Let's thank the Lord for all our priests who do so much to keep us faithful.

Anonymous said...

That must be Father Stefano Manelli, then?


Bless him! This is wonderful news!

Praise be Jesus Christ!


M.A.

PORYS said...

Could you give us exact address and hour of celebration. I want to update wikkimessa.

John McFarland said...

How many more prepossessing-looking chapels do you suppose that there are in Fatima?

I was interested to see on the website the piece on Josemaria Escriva's 1967 visit to Fatima. He famously said that the members of the Opus Dei would love the new Mass as much as they had the old. Of course, he himself doesn't seem ever to have said the new Mass. According to his successor, Alvaro del Portillo, Don Alvaro's friend Bishop Bugnini positively insisted that Escriva accepted the indult for the old and set in their ways; and apparently Monsignor Escriva acceded. Until then, according to Don Alvaro, Monsignor had been practicing assiduously to say the new Mass. A priest of the Work once told me that Don Alvaro once told him and several of his colleagues that the Old Mass would return within their lifetime. However, I have looked in vain for the joyous recognition of the fulfillment of that prophecy in the monthly letter of the current Opus Dei prelate (who also served under Escriva), or anywhere else on Opus Dei's U.S. website.

I was also interested to see the website's pictures of the Pope. Do you suppose that the sponsors of this website also think that Fatima belongs to the past?

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Rorate Cœli will tell us if this Mass is celebrated every Sunday or on some other day of the week. Where is it celebrated? We need to know because it is the first approved T.L.M. in Portugal. More informtion, s.v.p.

P.K.T.P.

dcs said...

If I read the blog to which Rorate has linked correctly, it would seem that the celebration of the TLM began on July 12, 2008 (a Saturday).

Anonymous said...

If I am not mistaken, that is Fr. Stefano Manelli, the founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate. He was/is a spiritual son of St .Padre Pio even to the receiving of his first Holy Communion from the saint.

The F.I. will have every friary offer also the extraordinary form of the holy Mass. (not saying exclusively)

Fra Roderic, FI said...

The address for the FFI in Portugal is:
Freis Franciscanos da Imaculada FI,F
Rua Sao Jose, 14
Cova da Iria
2495-434, Fatima
Portugal

Don't know the time

JSarto said...

I must say that the Diocese of Leiria is not publicizing this Masses, and I ignore if there are any Sunday celebrations according the traditional rite in Fatima, outside the SSPX chapel.

Nevertheless, this is a great new in a country where Traditional Mass was completely marginalized by the episcopate.

Anonymous said...

If these Masses are on Saturdays, they could be on Saturdays at or after 4 p.m., thereby fulfilling the Sunday obligation, even as Masses 'sine populo' but with invited guests (or the doors left unlocked). We still need to know the times of these Masses. Can anyone out there tell us?

P.K.T.P.

JSarto said...

This weekend I will go to Fatima in order to solve the mistery.

IAmDudum said...

I have put in 'wikimissa' the phone number that it is in dioceses website. I can't call, but if you want, do it for me. Or better: for us.

The Convert said...

I spoke with Friar Andre Yesterday and he said that there is a TLM at the sister house but it is not a public Mass. So don't get your hopes up quite yet. The scheduled time for the Mass is 7PM every Saturday. I suggest you contact the Bishop and ask him to open that Mass to the public.
Phone #:(351)244-845-030
email: gabinetebispo@leiria-fatima.pt
Fax: (351)244-845-039

Anonymous said...

We’d just like to let you know about two new posts on our blog. The first is a report of a Mass in the Traditional Latin/Gregorian Rite in Co. Laois, Ireland.

http://catholicheritage.blogspot.com/2008/11/mass-for-st-paul-in-emo-co-laois.html

The second post is a report of news, just received, of a weekly Mass in Co. Meath, Ireland.

http://catholicheritage.blogspot.com/2008/11/mass-in-stamullen-co-meath.html

I hope that you’ll be able to feature both reports. Feel free to lift photos.

God bless you!

Saint Conleth’s Catholic Heritage Association

Anonymous said...

On the Mass at Fatima

Oh, I am getting my hopes up.

"Summorum Pontificum" deals with the differences between a published Mass and a not-regularly-scheduled Mass. The former terms, public and private, are no longer applicable.

A not-regularly-scheduled Mass (formerly called 'private') is dealt with under Articles 2 and 4 of S.P. Here is what we can say about it from that and from decisions of the P.C.E.D. and other organs of the Church:

1. Unlike a 'public' Mass, the celebrant may not publish notice anywhere that it is offered according to any rule, which means more than twice in a row at any one time and place. A celebrant could publish every week in a weekly bulletin "Mass next Saturday at 7.00 p.m.". What he could not publish is "Mass every Saturday at 7.00 p.m." or according any rule at all. He could not write "Mass every other Saturday at 7.00 p.m." or "Mass on third Tuesdays at 6.00 a.m." But he may always make public the time and place of a single next celebration.

2. There is nothing to stop others from publishing an *expected* schedule but this can only represent the opinion of the publisher, not a decided plan of the celebrant. So others, such as the informant on this blog, should write something like this: Expected every Saturday at 7.00 p.m. but please phone to confirm times.

3. A so-called private Mass can be unnannounced by the celebrant. However, current law suggests that it cannot be closed to the public without just cause. The reason is that the New Code says that Mass is public by definition and should include faithful. In current law, it is advised that a travelling priest actually seek out some faithful to assist at Mass, and he normally needs at least one server to proceed.

4. The celebrant, then, can and should simply leave the doors unlocked at a 'private' Mass and allow faithful to assist. No bishop can prevent this.


We need to reiterate that faithful can and should be present at so-called private Masses, unless there is just cause for an exception.

For prudential reasons, the celebrant of this Mass might not want the time and place to suggested by anyone.

Peter Karl T. Perkins
Victoria, Canada

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but there are NO LATIN MASSES regularly in Fatima, Portugal.
There is no Latin Mass celebrated for the public at the Immaculata.

We live here in Fatima and have tried on several occasions to attend and have not been able to.

Even though Fatima is "Terra da Nossa Senhora", Land of Our Lady, there is no scheduled Latin Mass...it is the same all over Portugal.

Neither our Cardinal nor our Bishops are in accord with Motu Proprio.

Very disappointed residents in Fatima

The Convert said...

Update on the Traditional Latin Masses in Fatima, Portugal. The Latin Mass is still not directly supported by our local Bishop. However - Freis Franciscanos da Immaculada FI are still holding their private daily Mass and one on Sunday. If you show up you can attend. SSPX is still having 1st Saturday - 1st & 3rd Sunday Masses. The other Mass in Fatima is hit and miss.