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43% of French Catholics wish to see Benedict XVI go

(Reuters, 21/03/2009)
PARIS - According to an Ifop poll for the Journal du Dimanche, 43% percent of French Catholics desire the departure of Pope Benedict XVI who has been widely criticized after his recent statements about condoms. If 54% want him to remain in the Vatican, 83% of the Catholics of France believe that the Church must change its discourse and its positions on abortion to reflect changes in society.
According to the survey which is to be published on Sunday, they also want the Church to change its discourse and its positions on homosexuality (69%), remarriage for the divorced (77%), and contraception (85%).
The survey was conducted from March 19 to 20 among a sample of 620 Catholics representative of the French population aged 18 and over, following the remarks of the pope.
From the plane which brought him to Africa last Tuesday, Benedict XVI asserted (estimé) that distribution of condoms was not a means to fight the AIDS pandemic, but on the contrary it aggravates the problem.
The first CSA poll for Le Parisien/Aujourd'hui published on Saturday showed that the image of the pope had deteriorated significantly in France, including among Catholics.
According to this study, 23% of the French say they have a good opinion of Benedict XVI while that figure was 53% in September. There are now 57% who have a poor opinion of him in contrast to 25% six months ago.
Among Catholics, 29% of those responding say they have a good image of the pope compared to 65% in September. 55% expressed a negative opinion compared to 19% six months ago.
The declining image of the pope is also confirmed by Catholics who practice regularly of which only 52% (compared to 86% in September) have a good opinion of him.
The CSA poll was conducted by telephone on March 18 and 19 from a sample of 1012 people representative of the French population.
France Wednesday expressed "its profound concern" ("sa très vive inquietude") in the wake the of the pope’s comments.
"These words are regressive and we are very concerned about these statements which call into question the spirit and the struggle of several decades" against AIDS, said Rama Yade, Secretary of State responsible for human rights.

70 comments:

beng said...

As God forsook Israel because of their infidelity, God shall forsook France, and by all means Europe, for their infidelity.

Pascendi said...

On Good Friday there were many, indeed very many who also wished to see Our Lord Jesus Christ "go".

Pope Benedict is in good company.

Gillibrand said...

Thats those completely faithful, Sunday observant, Catholics that are so common in France.

Martin (the original one) said...

This "poll" is meaningless, this is just typical freemasonic agit-prop.

In addition, who could be surprised by the fact that the inhabitants of one of the most morally bankrupt western nations would hate the Pope?

Martin

Father Demets said...

This is the result of decades of liberalism in the Church of France. How fare are we from seeing the realization of the prophecy of Saint Pius X? God help us!

"What shall I say to you now, dear sons of France, who groan beneath the weight of persecution? The people who made an alliance with God at the baptismal font of Rheims will repent and return to its first vocation. Her faults will not remain unpunished, but she will never perish, the daughter of so many merits, so many sighs, and so many tears.

A day will come, and we hope it will not be far, when France, like Saul on the road to Damascus, will be surrounded by a heavenly light and will hear a voice repeating to her, "My daughter, why do you persecute me?" And to her response, "Who art thou, Lord?" the voice will reply, "I am Jesus, whom you persecute. It is hard for you to kick against the goad, because, in your obstinacy, you destroy yourself." And she, trembling and astonished, will say, "Lord, what wouldst thou have me do?" And He will say, "Rise up, wash the filth that has disfigured you, awaken in your heart those dormant affections and the pact of our alliance and go, eldest daughter of the Church, predestined nation, vessel of election, go, as in the past, and carry my name before all peoples and before the kings of the earth." (Pius X, Nov 29th 1911)

Anonymous said...

Echantillon de 620 catholiques, extrait d'un échantillon de 956 personnes, représentatif de la population française âgée de 18 ans et plus. La représentativité de l'échantillon a été assurée par la méthode des quotas (sexe, âge, profession du chef de famille) après stratification par région et catégorie d'agglomération.

Anonymous said...

http://eugenevarlin.fr/page3/files/archive-mar-2008.php

Paul Haley said...

The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ and the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. So, I presume that 43% of "French Catholics" would just as soon see Christ and the Pope recede into the background - sort of telling them both off saying don't tell us what to do. But it's not going to happen and the fact that they are saying such things gives testimony to the poor catechesis they have received in the last 50 years.

Anonymous said...

The Chair of Satan in Paris has spoken!!!

Chris said...

This poll is worthless. The questions were so vague that even a traditionalist Catholic could have answered in the affirmative. I also think the Church should change it's discourse and positions on Abortion, Homosexuality, & Contraception. I think the Church should formally excommunicate all supporters of these heresies... therefore I think the Church should change its' discourse and positions.

MCITL said...

“Early and often did the LORD, the God of their fathers, send his messengers to them...
But they mocked the messengers of God, despised his warnings, and scoffed at his prophets." 2 Chr 36:14-16, 19-23

http://mcitl.blogspot.com/2009/03/early-and-often-did-lord-god-of-their.html

Anonymous said...

Arnaud Lagardère editor
Laurence Parisot director of IFOP

We are speaking of multimilionar business people that belongs to Freemasonry. Is freemasonry is raging and is so full of hate for the Pope, that's good! It means that we have a great Pope! Let's pray for him and for the good cardinals and bishops that will preserve his magisterium!

Anonymous said...

This is appaling. What were these bishops doing all these years? Loss of faith? You bet! This is a disaster in France...I am so sad. Maybe some martyrs? People who will volunteer to save Catholicism in that nation? This is disastrous.
Oli

Anonymous said...

I would like to see how the numbers break down for (a) those in France who attend the Traditional Mass regularly and (b) those there who attend the New Mass regularly. Then we would see that the failure--or treason--of the French bishops is total.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Notice how it escalates: most (85%) want contraception. Once you legitimize contraception, more people are open to divorce (77%). Finally, since all hell is now broken, 69% accept homosexual marriage. All of this is telling.

Joseph

Anonymous said...

I once read that only 12% of French Catholics regularly attend Mass. That number makes me feel that they don't really have the right to criticize the Pope when so many can't even be bothered to show up for Mass once a week. :/ But I do agree it would be really interesting to see what the Traditional Mass attendees of France think.

Anonymous said...

On the last comment about Mass attendance. That might be 'attendance every month'. I've heard that only 8% attend once a week in France. In Quebec, the figure is 5%. To ask these people what they think about the Pope is like asking what Osama bin Laden thinks of the Dalai Lama.

P.K.T.P.

Dan Hunter said...

Why do these people even want to call themselves "Catholics"?

I am stymied.

Anonymous said...

Another stupid poll. If it is accurate, who cares.

Anonymous said...

The poll is correct and accurate. Not all people subscribe to the church's teaching that condoms are wrong. For those people, let them wear condoms and not transmit HIV. Simple enough.

Or, declare that all people *should* follow the Catholic teachings and let HIV be spread.

I suggest we not allow HIV to be spread.

M.A. said...

anon 3:39 said:
"Or, declare that all people *should* follow the Catholic teachings and let HIV be spread."

No, no, no. Obviously you do not know Catholic teaching. It goes like this:

Declare that all people should follow the Catholic teachings and live chastely according to one's state in life. Got it?

Anonymous said...

I have also heard a comment similar to yours, beng, by a priest in France.
Kyrie Eleison!

Anonymous said...

Father Stephen, o.f.m. says:

Commenting on the first and next to the last reader's point that France will be abandoned by the Lord, it is more realistic to say that France had already abandoned Him, and doing so, the ties are already severed. France will not burn, it is already burning.
Yes, there will be martyrs, who, as exceptions, will bear witness to the faith and to Christ Jesus. 30 rears ago was said already, the weekly worshippers in France, Italy and Spain were under 5%.
The French and the lukewarm Catholics there lost their right to voice an opinion. They simply parrot what the world had been saying in every age. Did not Jesus prophesy that the "WHOLE world will hate you because of me?"
What saint ever cared about what the view of the world is or was of the Church, of the pope and of the true faith? Let us strenghten each other and love one another as St John the beloved kept calling on his faithful.
Keep our eyes on Jesus, Mary and let the bark of Peter continue to sail God speed straigth ahead following Our Lord! Steady as she goes! Let us pray for our belliegered Holy Father.
Father Stephen, o.f.m.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many of these French Catholics pray the rosary daily, confess regularly, and attend mass at least on Sundays? It's funny how the polls always omit that kind of information.

Anonymous said...

The Eldest Brat of the Church has spoken.

St. Rafael said...

The Catholics who were part of that poll were apostates. They do not hold the faith and are Catholics in name only.

Only 3% of Catholics attend Mass on Sunday in France. That should say something about this poll.

All the French Catholics are in the SSPX chapels, and everywhere else where the TLM, and the true faith is celebrated.

Anonymous said...

And when France is done ridding the world of the Papacy they will give us what to replace it? Our own learned, knowledgeable selves with a tiara on each of our heads. We the people will write new doctrines to reflect thinking today, not what was handed down from us from the earliest of times we can know? Or perhaps we will look to Avignon once again for a "Leftover Bishop of the Former Catholic Church" and call him leader with a baseball cap on his head. If they no longer want to be part of the Church of today which is the Church of Always then they should get out and go tear down another religion. There work is just about done here anyways. That's what they will hear when they poll me.

Mark said...

Shame on them all!

The statistics would be interesting, though. If only 12% regularly attend Mass, then surely all the folk with the negative statements will be in the other 88%... "stats, stats and damn'd lies"!

It may be short to say it, but those who say get rid of the Pope, and change the Church's stance on abortion, well, I wouldn't call them Catholic. Apologies to all, but I won't...

Re the Condom débacle: it is true, no-one stops to figure out the import of the Pope's message and the teaching of the Church, viz., yes, no condoms, but also abstinence, faithfulness, thinking about if you want children, protecting your partner, respecting her, etc., etc.

Anonymous said...

Is that 80% of the 5% of French that go to mass? What is that, like 12 people??
Who cares, the Holy Father doesn't work for them.

Anonymous said...

They did at the French Revolution they do it now! I wonder how many of them go to Church anyhow. The real strength in France is traditionalism.

Ottaviani said...

Ah! The Springtime renewal in full swing...

Anonymous said...

Please pray for the conversion of these poor lost souls.

The Wallaces said...

Vive le Pape Benoit XVI!

Martin Walker said...

Adding my two cents to the condom debate, one way you can explain the Church's teaching is this -

"Do not commit sexual sin and you will not catch HIV/AIDS."

And it is true. My wife and I are at 0% risk. We are faithful to our marriage vows.

It is those who *reject* the Church's teachings that catch it. Obviously that is too hard for the world to understand. Follow the Church, and you are safe.

-Martin

Anonymous said...

Can we deny that condoms (when correctly used) prevent diseases? They are by all means no the best solution, but for those millions of people who don't and won't follow the church's teachings, what do we say to them?
Some condoms' promoters are truly promoting irresponsibility as well, and that is wrong. But HIV and other deceases are spreading fast, and condoms may at least reduce the numbers.
While we, Catholics, shut down the condom's issue, we simply allow the promoters of irresponsibility to monopolize the message of prevention.
I am with the Pope, but we cannot deny facts.
Steve.

Anonymous said...

The root of the problem is that Pope Benedict XVI is a REAL Catholic, who is devoted to the true teachings of the Catholic Church and it's traditions. He's also committed to the 100% accurate and true interpretations of Vatican II (even though many consider the Council itself a disaster and mistake).
The fact that Benedict XVI insists on a TRUE reading of Vatican II (and not faithfullness to the "Spirit of Vatican II" or "The New Springtime" of Vatican II which allows for everything and anything) makes him enemies.
The fact that this Pope isn't a rock star, matinee idol and doesn't go in for the glitz, glitter, phoney politically correct doublespeak like his predecessor did also makes him enemies.
Benedict XVI addresses problems and is trying to correct them by re-adjusting the Catholic Church back where it should be. Back to Catholic values and traditions.
That the majority of the Catholics in liberal countries object to this is not surprising. They've had 40+ years of Vatican II free-for-all when the "do whatever feels good" mentality prevailed. In the Mass, in Catholic teachings, religious life, and Catholic morality.

The Church is undergoing a housecleaning, whether we know it or not. The corruption of the dissidents, liberals, femminists, ecumenists etc. is being swept away by a Pope who isn't afraid of loosing his "rock star" persona and popularity.

There are afew more bombshells coming from Pope Benedict XVI in coming months. With regards to the Mass and how it is celebrated ( and what will no longer be tolerated), as well as in regards to religious life.

I have a friend (a nun) who is 39 and working at her Motherhouse in Rome, Italy. She is American, but joined an Order of traditional habited Italian nuns because she wanted real religious life, and couldn't find any real expressions of it in the USA. And she wasn't interested in the wave of neo-Con new religious Orders being founded which look Catholic but actually hate Catholic tradition (Legionaries of Christ, and afew newer Orders of sisters).
Her Order of nearly 600 sisters still wears the "1950's" habit, and has a packed novitiate in Rome, and another formation house in Florence. She told me that two of the sisters of her Order who work in the Vatican in the Curia as basically secretaries told members of their Order that the Pope, and also other members of the Curia are VERY conserned about the disaster of the Novus Ordo, but also are likewise concerned over the collapse of religious Orders..especially of nuns. There is very much of a mood towards ordering a "re-adjustment" back to tradition for both the Mass, and religious Orders (back into the habits).
Look for even more French "catholics" and others across the board to be polled negatively about Pope Benedict XVI when that happens! The investigation of USA nuns Orders bby the Vatican is the opening salvo.
Let's hope concrete rulings come soon.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
"I suggest we not allow HIV to be spread."

Do you then encourage using condoms? I suggest that you encourage that Church teaching be followed. Observe chastity at all costs. It's very simple.

To carry your "logic" a step further, should the Church permit abortion or birth control to prevent "unwanted" babies from being born or conceived?

Even if the proponents or practitioners of sexual promiscuity aren't Catholic they are bound by the natural law to be chaste as their state in life dictates. If they choose not to - well they will have to suffer the consequences here on earth and when they are judged by Almighty God.

There are enough of liberals already destroying what is left of Christendom. If you consider yourself one of them (and your words and logic do betray you), why don't you find a "religion" that proposes your beliefs and leave the Catholics who wish to remain Catholic alone.

Martin Walker said...

Anon 15:05 said - "Can we deny that condoms (when correctly used) prevent diseases? They are by all means no the best solution, but for those millions of people who don't and won't follow the church's teachings, what do we say to them?"

I answer your question with one of my own. As even the United Nations says condoms are only 80% effective at blocking HIV, what is the moral thing for the church to say? :

"If you are going to play Russian Roulette, be sure to only load one chamber..." or...

"Just put the gun down! Don't play the game!"

Using condoms is a lot like playing Russian Roulette. There's still a good chance you will get the disease (HIV). It just so happens that the Church's age old moral teaching on sexual relations (no sex before marriage, be faithful in marriage) also happens to be the one sure way to avoid getting HIV. It would be wrong, it would be immoral, for the Church to teach anything else.

-Martin

Anonymous said...

Steve said,"While we, Catholics, shut down the condom's issue, we simply allow the promoters of irresponsibility to monopolize the message of prevention.
I am with the Pope, but we cannot deny facts."

I suggest that you don't have all the facts...nor do I. However, I just read an article linked in to Fish Eaters and the liberal,condom promoter, world wide expert admitted that the Church message of faithfulness, abstinence, fidelity is what works in Africa not condoms (ref:ABC of George Bush). Everywhere in Africa where prevention is preached aids goes down.

Catholics can keep the condom promoters in check by getting the true message out.

Conversely, who ends up helping the aids ridden people, the child born with aids due of promiscuity? Is it the condom companies, Planned Parent Hood, birth control companies? No, it is the Church.

When we care for the millions of afflicted and reinforce the message of abstinence, along with the message of hope through Christ, there is an impact, i.e. HIV goes down.

I will close by saying that we all need to know the facts and those are not found in the media or an ngo's private agenda.

I am reminded that we are to be discerning.Speaking of which, I don't have the direct link to the mentioned article, sorry.

Thank you and God Bless you on this Fourth Sunday of Lent.

Jerry,SFO

Anonymous said...

The Pope must be doing something right. I mean, he has really "ticked off" the liberals, so he must be on the right track. I would encourage the Holy Father to push them harder.

Anonymous said...

Send a letter to the Vatican. Benedict needs support right now. All the Vatican is getting right now is whining from this crowd, which gets in the newspapers and likes having protest rallies.

Address:

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
Apostolic Palace
VATICAN CITY

It costs $.94 in postage to send a letter.

Anonymous said...

Go from where?

I didn't know they were in the same church as B16 ...

Anonymous said...

LOL, Benedict XVI has a gift to galvanize opposition to him. I don't understand why so much rejection of Benedict XVI when JPII preached the same things that Benedict XVI preaches, and he was loved and revered.

William said...

I am very tired of hearing about people who dissent from Christ's teaching through the Church as Catholics. They are ex-Catholics and we do a disservice to report them as what they no longer are. In the future all the websites which cover these issues should refer to these people as what they are: ex- Catholics. For example: ex-Catholic Nancy Pelosi said this, that or the other thing, thus ensuring that nobody will think she is presenting the taeching of the Church. Don't forget that using the little prefex " ex " will go a long way to dissipate the fog these people are claiming is Catholic teaching!
Rev William Ashley

Anonymous said...

John Paul II MIGHT have taught and preached some basically traditionally oriented tenets of the Faith, but unfortunatly he was ignored because he had such a "rock star" "Hollywood" image and persona. All people wanted to do with him was "feel good".
They ignored any traditionalist Catholic lectures form him.
But I don't think there were many.
John Paul II was really into ecumenism, inter-religious dialog, inculturation, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists etc., so he would never have said anything other than the wisy-washy politically correct stuff. He was loved because his speeches had no real Catholic basis. ANY Christian, or any person could feel good about them.
The problem with John Paul II, is that he portrayed the Church as all "sunshine and light", and ignored the very deep problems in the Church since Vatican II.
Benedict XVI is condemned because he doesn't ingore the problems, and he says that it isn't all "sunshine and light".
He's condemned because he ruins ths false illusion for many.

May God bless him with health, strenght, and courage and sustain him for many years yet for having the courage to do so.

goat said...

I note that the last person quoted in the article is not even a Catholic (she is a nominal Muslim).

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrongly wrote :
"John Paul II MIGHT have taught and preached some basically traditionally oriented tenets of the Faith, but unfortunatly he was ignored because he had such a "rock star" "Hollywood" image and persona. All people wanted to do with him was "feel good".
They ignored any traditionalist Catholic lectures form him."

It is entirely wrong. Especially on the topic of condoms/AIDS, John Paul II taught exactly the same as Benedict XVI.
And he was then very harshly attacked, as harshly as the present pope. No difference. Just google a bit and you'll find out the attacks against Papa Wojtyla.

Many of those who put the blame today on Papa Ratzinger are willing to "forget" they were saying the same against the Polish pope. But it is very unfashionable to attack John Paul the Great today, as it is extremely trendy to pour insane statements upon the reigning pope.

We have a European liberal media campaign to make the pope bow to the evil idol of Liberalism. Naturally, the worst wolves are liberal Catholics, Blessed Pius IX already warned they were the most dangerous for the sake of the Church.
Several trads, especially among SSPX, are slowly understanding that, far from being a "modernist" as Bp Tissier de Mallerais was claiming in 2007-2008, the pope is a bridge between pre and post-Vatican II perennial doctrine.

The Church in France is in sharp decline, but this is worse in the Netherlands, in Belgium, in Switzerland, in Germany, in Scotland, in England-Wales and similar in ... Ireland, Spain, Portugal.
The whole Western European catholicism is struck by a lethal illness within the Ordinary Form, with a few local exceptions. For ex. the best diocesan seminaries in France are : Paris (but this is less true with the present Abp Vingt-Trois than it was under Abp Lustiger), Toulon (with Ratzingerian Bp Rey) and Belley-Ars (with orthodox Wojtylian Bp Bagnard).

Remember also that trad communities in France are on the contrary increasing, in spite of the powerful obstacles FrenChurch chanceries are opposing to the Extraordinary Form and the trad. institutes.

Alsaticus

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote:

"Or, declare that all people *should* follow the Catholic teachings and let HIV be spread."

That's odd. Where people have followed the Catholic teachings (e.g. Uganda, by government policy), AIDS has been drastically reduced. But wherever condoms have fallen from the skies, AIDS has gone out of control. Everyone figures that condoms make copulation safe, so they go right to it. What tey don't realise is that condoms frequently don't work. Whoops! So if the rate of their usage skyrockets, up goes the rate of infection.

A determinist might say that people can't help coupling. They do it by accident, by impulse, by instinct. A Catholic says that we have free will. A smart Catholic says that coition might be fun but death takes all the joy out of life, so it's better to follow the Church's teaching.

Does the anonymous here who posted this have a brain tumour? Does he even have a brain at all? Was he born stupid or did he have to work at it? We know that he's not Catholic because his morality is teleological, not deontological.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Bet it would be 100% in favor that the Holocaust should be a doctrine of NewChurch. They want NewChurch dont they?

Sharon said...

1. http://ncronline.org/blogs/all-things-catholic/benedict-cameroon-tale-two-trips


National Catholic Reporter John Allen wrote Benedict in Cameroon – a tale of two trips in which he notes …I don’t think I’ve ever covered a papal trip where the gap between internal and external perceptions has been as vast as over these three days.
It’s almost as if the pope has made two separate visits to Cameroon: the one reported internationally and the one Africans actually experienced.
Bottom line: Seen from abroad, the trip has been about condoms; on the ground, it’s felt like a celebration of African Catholicism.


http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032003.html
Ugandan AIDS activist thanks pope for opposition to condoms.
Martin Ssempa questioned the failure of most media outlets to investigate the motives of the international AIDS organisations, saying, “Many of these writers and naysayers, are actually shills in the service of big pharma.
“Many are entangled in lucrative deals to distribute condoms and the more condoms they push out the more money they get. How come no one has ever made a comment on how much money is being made by big pharma out of the whole condom, testing and drug business?
In 2004 August more than 40 million condoms of the Engabu brand were found to be defective and were recalled to be destroyed. This was after a huge public outcry on the condom failures which may have exposed many people to HIV/AIDS in the false hope of security from these latex from China.”
.
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=5818
Moscow Patriarchate supports Pope’s position re condoms and AIDS


http://www.hvtn.org/media/ReassessingPrevention.pdf
Reassessing HIV Prevention a retrospective study conducted by Malcolm Potts, Daniel T. Halperin, et. al., and published in the May 9, 2008 issue of Science.


To see my précis go to http://members7.boardhost.com/CathPews/msg/1237694727.html

Anonymous said...

These catholics in France are not Christian anymore.

They should go instead.

Josephus Muris Saliensis said...

What total rot. The frightening interpretation is that a supposedly intelligent press would publish it.

620 people. Presumably not 10 in each of 62 different town and cities, but the result of one morning in Paris perhaps?

I note that, when in a suit, as a middle-aged man, I am NEVER stopped for my opinion. So the young things who do these polls select, even if only subconsciously.

Meaningless.

Hidden One said...

If only even half the time that has been spent bashing Pope John Paul II and the French was spent in prayer.

Anonymous said...

As far as I am concerned, I want the French go. If those who oppose the Pope leave the Catholic Church all together, the very best. At least the lines will be clear.
The keystone of the Catholic Church is Peter.

Rafael Castela Santos

Anonymous said...

JP2 did a solid job of keeping the sunshine coming while steering the College of Cardinals towards orthodoxy (which few will squeal about). However, he offloaded the more difficult repair work to the successor that his college would appoint. The Church needed a JP2 after the shock of the 1970s, seems to me.

However, some of his bishop appointments leave a little to be desired. I do not think his curia quite realized that if someone just displays a pastiche of orthodoxy, that person may well turn out to be a liberal when given a bishopric. Live and learn.

Anonymous said...

LOL. French...

Anonymous said...

Well, with all due respect for the Pope's opinion, I don't see anything wrong or anti Christian in a condom, especially if it is to prevent deceases. I am Catholic, and I feel sympathy for the traditional way, but i cannot see the immorality of at least say "for us this is what we believe, but if you don't follow this, please, use condom". Is this so anti Christian??
Steve.

Rick DeLano said...

Well, Holy Father, it appears that you are beginning to get the hang of this.

As long as the principalities and powers are stirring their minions up into a frenzy, then I would say the Church is sailing the right course.

Very heartened to read the news that His Excellency Bishop Cordeleone, a very stalwart player in the defeat of pesudo-marriage in California last November, has been appointed Bishop of Oakland.

Always praying for you, Holy Father.

Anonymous said...

I am delighted to see that 43% of French Catholics wish to see the last of the Pope, because it tells us far more about French Catholics than it does about our Holy Father. It is interesting to speculate on who French Catholics would like to see as a replacement on the throne of Peter. Someone who accommodates himself to 'the times', or someone who preaches the eternal truths of the Catholic Church? I know which I prefer.

Anonymous said...

43% of the rest of the world wants to see the French go.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I are presently living in France. We are not French. We were very fortunate to find a vey good church here that preaches the truth. However we have found that it is very dfficult to tell who is committed and who is not , who believes the teachings of the Catholic Chruch and who does not. When you question people here even the people tht go to church on a rgular basis one can tell that they lack the teaching that is necessary to make decsions regarding issues like birth control, Homosexuality.,, Pro Life ect. So many times we have been shocked to find out that people here who are practicing Catholics have been so influenced by the world that they form their own decisons contrary to what the church teaches. They do not have a clue in what is coming here and in the world. The arrogance in thinking that they know better than the church and the seemingly lack of teaching that they receive is evident.It is sad to see what will happen to these people when persecution does come and it will and it is coming here. The church has been marginalised, free masonry is evident and rampant and has been since the French Revolution.There is a terrible battle here; a spiritual battle and attack by Satan on the church here and in the world where his chief desire is to destroy the church.The cross for this pope will be persecution just as the cross for John Paul II was illness and physical suffering.Satan comes to lie steal and destroy. He desires to destroy the church, to steal our joy and to promote lies that tell people that the church is out of step with the modern times. We cannot serve two masters we must choose one or the other.Here in France there is an arrogance and an ignorance that is evident in the general thinking of people. This is not to say that all the people have this but it is evident and it often comes in the most unexpected places. This having been said France is still a Marian country where the powers that be have tried to marginalise the church but I believe if France again turns to Christ and honors his mother by saying the rosary and fasting the country will turn around. What is needed here is conversion, and a deep conversion to Christ.People here can go to mass but not actually know the Lord. They lack the depth of truly converted hearts.I ask all the people on this website to pray for the country of France because there is spiritual hunger among the people that I meet her . They are hungry for God but they do not know his word and they do not know what the church teaches. Here we call them "le plat du jour Catholiques" or " patisserie" Catholics.They pick and choose what they want to believe.France has in the past has produced a lot of great saints too many to name here. There are many here Marian appartio sites wher the Blessed Virgin ahs appeared. She is not lost but need desperately our prayers and our penance for her.She will rise onece again out of the ashes and will be given a special place in the heart of the chruch but there wil be persecution here and martyrdom.John Paul II said "Be not afaid" and we cannot be afraid to face what is coming in the world. We must stand up for what is right regardless of the costs. to us.Pray, pray, pray, do Eucharistic Adoration, offer up your communions for the country of France . We need your prayers here and we need a deep conversion of hearts. Thank you and God bless you all.Lift high the cross of Christ!

Al said...

Recall that according to the prophesy of St. Malachy regarding the line of Popes, Benedict XVI is the penultimate Pope. While we are not bound to such private revelations, it is a sobering thought that the next Pope may be the last.

In that same vein the prophesies of St. Francis of Assisi are equally sobering:

“Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissension, both spiritual and and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the week it will increase. The Devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death. Then the scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect. Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say that they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in him. In order to be like their Head, these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than men, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.” --- Works of The Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi, translated by a religious of the order, London: R. Washbourne, 1882. pp. 248-250.

Available at http://www.novusordowatch.org/francis.htm

matt said...

i wish 43% of French Catholics would stop calling themselves Catholic as they do not accept the Truth (aka teaching of the Church) nor respect God's widsom of having us lead by his holiness, Pope Benedict XVI.

Jordanes said...

Recall that according to the prophesy of St. Malachy regarding the line of Popes, Benedict XVI is the penultimate Pope. While we are not bound to such private revelations, it is a sobering thought that the next Pope may be the last.

The next pope may be the last for all we know, but the spurious “prophecies” attributed to St. Malachy and written a few centuries after his death are to be ignored. It’s not likely that genuine prophecies would misidentify an antipope as a valid pope, and it’s mighty suspicious that the prophecies are amazingly precise and easy to interpret up until the time when they were first published, and then become hazy and extremely difficult to interpret from that point on.

Al said...

And are you also so dismissive of St. Francis of Assisi's prophesies, Your Eminence?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it's time for 46% of French catholics to go.

Jordanes said...

I don't know anything about the alleged prophecies attributed to St. Francis, but it's unreasonable to believe the St. Malachy "prophecies" are anything other than the forgeries they appear to be.

Al said...

Jprdanes: "I don't know anything about the alleged prophecies attributed to St. Francis...."

If you mistrust the veracity of the verbatim text I posted, you can read the "alleged" scanned pages from the book published in 1882 at:

http://www.novusordowatch.org/francis.htm

Jordanes said...

It's not a question of the accuracy of your transcript of the text attributed to St. Francis, it's a question of whether or not St. Francis really uttered the alleged prophecy. Maybe he did. I'm not in any position to know one way or the other. In the absence of facts, and knowing that other words have been mistakenly attributed to St. Francis, I can't accept the alleged prophecy of St. Francis as authentic -- not that there's anything wrong with what he is alleged to have said, of course. It's of an entirely different character than the "St. Malachy" forgeries.

LeonG said...

A "representative" sample of 620 Catholics,was it?

Knowing the malicious masonic newsmedia as one should in France, I doubt very much its representativeness. And judging by the nature of the questions they ask which generally are of the leading variety with ambiguity plus their own eccentric bias, the results would be a foregone conclusion.

Considering France has some 100,000 plus fortune-tellers and there are some 20,000 active Satanists in Paris alone, is a valid demonstration of the fact that in France, there are very few "typical" catholics left. We have to look to SSPX for those and a dribble of traditionalists from the indult societies frozen by their compromises with modernist conciliar liberalism.

Invalid sample, invalid survey, invalid findings.