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Interesting News from Russia

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"... all patients in maternity hospitals and prenatal clinics in Astrakhan will be given small versions of the icon (of the Virgin Mary - CAP) for free.
"The initiative was organized by the Russian Orthodox Church and has provoked controversy, since 20 percent of the population of Astrakhan is Muslim, mainly ethnic Kazakhs and Tatars. "
This news comes as one of the Moscow Patriarchate's most high-profile and influential missionaries, Andrey Kurayev, criticizes the praising of tolerance and wonders aloud if Christians and Muslims are really compatible:
"We'd better stop praising tolerance and discuss if Christians and Muslims are compatible in the present-day world," he said in his interview to the Den za Dnyom Estonian weekly."
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"...Their tactics is clear: while they make a minority, they speak of secularism and equality, but as soon as Muslims make more than a half population, they will demand total control," the theologian believes"

12 comments:

Hestor said...

Yep - they got it right!

Kevin said...

"...Their tactics is clear: while they make a minority, they speak of secularism and equality, but as soon as Muslims make more than a half population, they will demand total control," the theologian believes"

He's right of course. Reference Nigeria.

Anonymous said...

Thank God, Some realises the threat that islam is too the World

Anonymous said...

Muslim behaviour is correct. The behaviour of Christians who are always afraid of accusations of "intolerance" etc. is incorrect.

Anonymous said...

There is something serendipitous between Fr. Schmidtberger's remarks in his last CNA interview and these statements...

Joseph

Anonymous said...

Query whether actual Muslims would be offended by being offered a picture of the woman they say they revere as the virgin mother of 'the prophet Issa'. I am reminded of the education bureaucrats in Luton, England, who were going to cancel the annual Christmas pageant on the dubious grounds of not offending local Muslims, to which the local imam responded, "Why should we be offended by a play celebrating the birth of the Prophet Issa bin Miriam (peace be upon him)?" I suspect the critics of the icon giveaway fall into the camp of those G.K. Chesterton referred to as those who hate Christianity and call their hatred an all-encompassing love for all religions.

Deacon Nathan Allen

Anonymous said...

I grew up in a small town in rural Illinois. As late as the early 1990s, the public elementary school I attended held an explicitly Christian Christmas concert, with hymns and a re-enactment of the Holy Family's journey to Bethlehem. There was one Moslem family in our school, and they participated in the concert without any complaint that I recall. I remember that the girl played the part of the watch(wo)man of Bethlehem. Religion aside, the family was Palestinian and probably enjoyed participating in a play set in Palestine.

-- Bonifacius

Anonymous said...

Russian Orthodox Church is always servile towards the government. As recently as 20 years ago they were just a division of the infamous KGB.

Professor Kurayev's comments do not mean that they're kindled with missionary fervour. They just mean that Russian authorities want to limit growth of islam.

John (Ad Orientem) said...

Anonymous,
Russian Orthodox Church is always servile towards the government.

The blood of more than a million new-martyrs of the Orthodox Church gives the lie to your ignorant and offensive statement. The Russian Church existed as best it could, largely underground, while enduring the most murderous persecution in the history of Christendom. That it survived at all is nothing less than a miracle of God.

ICXC NIKA
John

Jusztinián G. Rathkaj said...

I agree with anonymous 20:08. Kurayev would do better in appealing his russians to rethink their contraception and abortion policy. Then the growth of islamic believers would not be so alarming.

BJR said...

The question of the relationship between secular powers and Church is an interesting one.

It would be difficult to argue that the changes introduced by the Roman Church since it gained 'independence' have been for the good.

I wonder what frightens Anonymous 20:08 and Jusztinian so much about the resurrection and explosive growth of the Russian Orthodox Church so much?

Anonymous said...

"The blood of more than a million new-martyrs of the Orthodox Church gives the lie to your ignorant and offensive statement. The Russian Church existed as best it could, largely underground, while enduring the most murderous persecution in the history of Christendom. That it survived at all is nothing less than a miracle of God."

There were true believers in Russia. Apart from what they believed, the Russian Orthodox Church was never criticising the Tsardom. The hierarchy was fully dependent from the civil authorities even before the Revolution. It's rather typical to the Byzantines who reject Pope.

Then communists murdered the Tsar and began persecuting all religions (not the Russian Orthodox Church only).

And they have succeeded. The remains of the hierarchy were not only controlled by KGB, but were KGB themselves, like Patriarch Nikon, who was KGB general.

In the 1980s policy has changed. Russian authorities after abandoning their faith in communism have discovered that the Russian Orthodox Church may be a good way to strengthen Russian national identity, and of course identification with the government. And so it goes.

That's why there were plenty of beautiful churches built and re-built in recent years. The government has paid for that. But they're empty most of the time.

Obedience tho the civil authorities and the self-proclaimed holiness and messianism of panslavic Russia it's what they mainly preach.

Spirituality and morality is of lesser concern there. In spite of full support of the government to the Russian Orthodox Church and constant stream of money, there's no country in the world with more abortions per woman than Russia.

Russia badly needs to be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady.

Everybody who is truly concerned with the survival of Byzantine tradition and the fate of Russia has the opportunity to pray for that.