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Syriac Catholic Patriarchal Divine Liturgy in St. Mary Major

Mar Ignatius Joseph III

His Beatitude Mar Ignatius Joseph III, Syriac Catholic Patriarch of Antioch, is on his first official visit to Rome and will celebrate a Patriarchal Divine Liturgy in the Syro-Antiochene (or West Syriac) Rite tomorrow, June 18, 2009, at the Papal Basilica of St. Mary Major.

Source: ByzCath and the Vatican Bolletino

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is good to see. The Syriacs have kept all the ancient traditions alive and have not Romanised, unlike certain other Eastern Catholic churches which I shall not name here.

P.K.T.P.

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

"The Syriacs have kept all the ancient traditions alive and have not Romanised..."

The Syro-Malankars -- who use exactly the same liturgical Rite as the Syriacs -- have not Romanised, but the Syriac Catholics in Syria-Palestine are deeply Latinized, although not as much as the Maronites (who often offer Mass ad populum) and the Chaldeans (who are in the middle of a major simplification and reform of their liturgical books, mainly to get rid of "repetitions" and "accretions" -- sounds familiar?)

If you'll look carefully at the picture of the Patriarch, you will see that not only is he wearing a Roman mitre, he is in a Roman prelatical lace alb as well (just like the Chaldeans)

Pictures of his enthronement here:

http://www.sykakerk.nl/level1/agbar_files/ALPAPA%202009/rasamet%20alpatrak.htm

Of course, the Syriacs have nevertheless kept much of their literary and liturgical heitage intact despite the Latin veneer of relatively recent vintage.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the information, Mr. Palad. I was unaware of the Syriac compromises. You refer to their brethren in India, the Syro-Malabarians, not be confused with the East Syrian Malankarese, who are in the Chaldean tradition. The latter are somewhat modernised and Romanised, no?

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

I'm new to this blog and was wondering if anyone could tell me what P.K.T.P. stands for?

Jordanes said...

"Peter Karl T. Perkins"

Don't know what the T stands for.

Neal said...

$5 on Thomas.

beng said...

If the west has a good tradition that the East want to or should adopt, then why not.


They could stat praying the Rosary and maybe Russia will be totally converted to Catholicism

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

"You refer to their brethren in India, the Syro-Malabarians, not be confused with the East Syrian Malankarese, who are in the Chaldean tradition."

It is the other way around. The Syro-Malabars belong to the Assyro-Chaldean / Edessene / East Syrian liturgical tradition, the Syro-Malankars belong to the West Syriac or Syro-Antiochene tradition.

The Malabars are VERY Latinized, although there is a significant minority that adheres to Assyro-Chaldean liturgical tradition. The Malankars are among the least Latinized of Eastern Catholics.

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

"If the west has a good tradition that the East want to or should adopt, then why not."

Of course! However, such adoptions should not be at the expense of legitimate Eastern traditions.

In the same way, I resent the way some charismatic / "new ecclesial movement" Roman Catholics are so obsessed with Byzantine icons (which they often use in a very improper and uncomprehending manner) while being so hostile to the Traditional Latin Mass and to the historic forms of sacred music and devotion in the Roman Church.

Long-Skirts said...

a post from someone else NOT me, Long-Skirts said:

"Long-Skirts said...
THE MAN WITH THE BEARD ON THE CHAIR"

Well, Mr./Miss Long-Skirts, "immitation is the highest form of flattery" but to not give at least an "annonymous" to your post and to pretend that I wrote it, well that is so cowardly and I think that is why Holy Mother Church has been so hurt...so many cowards. But thanks for the little bit of publicity, as they say "there's no bad publicity as long as they spell your name right" and at least, thank Heavens, even cowards can spell my name right! I-rish you joy!!

Jordanes said...

Long-Skirts, sorry about the comment from the scoundrel mocking you. It has been deleted.

Anonymous said...

Thanks again, Mr. Palad. I have always confused the Malabarians and Syro-Malankarese. I need a mnemonic device to distinguish them. I believe that one of these groups only joined Rome in the 1930s. But I've forgotten which!

P.K.T.P.

Gideon Ertner said...

"I believe that one of these groups only joined Rome in the 1930s. But I've forgotten which!"

That would be the Malankarese. The very reason that they are not latinized is that they are descended from those Indian Christians who revolted against the latinizing reforms of liturgical life imposed by the Portuguese Jesuits in the 16th century and only reunited very recently.

Gideon Ertner said...

Btw, I do not think that we ought to refer to such recent developments as celebration versus populum etc. as 'latinization' as it is not an authentic Latin tradition.

Such things should be referred to as 'de-sacralization' or other appropriate derogatory terms.

Picard said...

And yes, the Syro-malankares are the least latinized for the very reaosons Gideon Ortner gave.

And they are also (at least the majority of the bishops) against the novelties like celebrating versus populum or giving Hl. Communion on the hands, so f. e. Bf. Mar G. Punnakotil, who´s a friend of my uncles family (my aunt is from India).

But they clebrate in the "vernacular" or better to say in the old/noble language Malayalam that is still the vernacular today in Kerala -- and not in the old-syrian language. If memory not deceives me it was an indult that they got from Pius XII.

Prof. Basto said...

Are there photos of the Divine Liturgy celebrated today in St. Mary Major to commemorate the granting of ecclesiastica communio? If there are, I'd like to see a few of them. Thanks.