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Sweden recieves a new Missal
This morning’s mail brought a package from a good friend in Stockholm: The newly published Missale Parvum. Although not as extravagant as some of the new Missals seen in recent years, the appearance of this Latinsk-Svensk Missal is in many ways far more significant as it is the first Swedish language edition of the 1962 Missal to be published in more than forty years and is arguably the first to bear the imprimatur of a Swedish bishop in centuries. Publication of the new Missal was prompted by the growing number of traditional Catholics in the country who were highly instrumental in bringing it about.

The Cathedral of St Erik – Seat of the Diocese of Stockholm
The Church in Sweden has suffered greatly since the 16th century when King Gustav I broke with Rome and established the protestant Church of Sweden, rendering it more or less illegal to be Catholic. Over the years, practice was tolerated among foreigners and there were numerous “closet Catholics” who managed to quietly kindle the Faith as best they could under the threat of expulsion from the country for being identified as Catholic. An Apostolic vicariate was erected in 1783 to serve Catholic immigrants. It was subordinate to the Archdiocese of Paderborn in what is now Germany. As of 1873, native Swedes who had reached their eighteenth year were free to leave the state Church and join other religious societies; however proselytizing was strictly forbidden and such converts found many other official obstacles strategically strewn in their path. The vicariate was only elevated to the status of diocese in 1953 and it wasn’t until the year 2000 that the state Church of Sweden was disestablished and it finally became possible for the Catholic Church to register and be officially recognized by the government. Today, the Diocese of Stockholm encompasses the entire country and consists of 42 parishes. It has been served by five bishops in succession and is presently shepherded by His Excellency Anders Arborelius, OCD. Bishop Arborelius is a convert to the Faith and is the first ethnic Swedish bishop since the kingdom fell to the protestant conquest.

Today Catholics comprise only about 2% of the total Swedish population but they are one of the fastest growing areas of the Church in Europe, attracting increasingly large amounts of converts from the domestic population annually - and it should be noted that traditional Catholicism has been playing an important role. The Swedish Friends of the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest is a lay association which has worked tirelessly for years to propagate the traditional Mass in the country and is largely responsible for bringing the Missal Parvum into reality. Bishop Arborelius, whose imprimatur appears on the new Missal, has proven to be a true friend to tradition and has cooperated with the ICRSP to bring the traditional Mass to four different parishes in the diocese – including the Cathedral! Some Masses are offered by diocesan priests, others by priests of the ICRSP. In addition to these there is a Sunday Mass offered at Gothenburg by the parish priest and another offered by the Friars of the Franciscan Conventual Chapel at Jonsered. The SSPX also offers a Mass in Stockholm.

Father Marcus Kunkel ICRSP elevates the Chalice during Low Mass at St Erik’s Cathedral in Stockholm – the seat of Sweden’s sole diocese

The majority of the roughly 200,000 Catholics in present-day Sweden belong to non-Swedish ethnic groups with Poles being the largest of these, followed by Croats and Hispanics. Interestingly it is ethnic Swedes, most of whom are converts from Swedish Protestantism, who form the bulk of the traditional Catholic community. How things will develop from here will be worth keeping an eye on. The Church which had once almost completely disappeared from Sweden is now returning to, what is in some ways, a clean slate. Swedes in general did not suffer from the post-conciliar tumult that ravaged the Catholic world in the late 20th century largely because the Church was only marginally present among, or accessible to the Swedish people during most of that period. Today’s emerging convert population has a choice between two rites of equal footing. What we will be witnessing in the coming years is something never before seen: A test case that will show which liturgical path a historically Catholic European population will choose when given clear options as it re-embraces the Faith. In the unique situation of the Swedes, it is a choice between the rite which was pried from the hands of their Catholic ancestors by protestant rebels, and the rite devised 40 years ago by the post-conciliar Church in exile. Let us remember to pray for the sons and daughters of St. Bridgit as they usher Christ’s Church back into their kingdom – they may very well be constructing the model for the western Church in the 21st century.

Diocesan priest, Fr. Ingvar Fogelquist says the Ecce Agnus Dei at Low Mass in Annunciation church on Stockholm’s east side

The Missale Parvum is a leather bound hardcover volume printed on very fine gilt edged paper. It contains the Ordinary of the Mass, Requiem Mass, a treasury of popular prayers and prayers to particular saints, liturgical calendar, formula for Confession, and numerous other useful items for today’s traditional Swedish Catholic. Perhaps the most relevant feature in the Missal is the complete text of the papal letter, Summorum Pontificum with a commentary by Bishop Arboralius himself. Anyone wishing to own a copy of the Missale Parvum may order it directly from the publisher, Catholica

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, it is not quite "equal footing" because the language barrier remains.

In other words, they wont be comparing Old Rite to New Rite, but rather Swedish to Latin.

And they will pick Swedish, let me tell you that outright.

It's only if the Novus Ordo were REQUIRED to be in Latin also, or if vernacular editions of the Old Rite were approved (though maintaining Latin for the Ordinary chants I'd imagine)...that we'd really get to see people experimentally prove that, all other things being equal, the old rite is preferred.

As it is...the bishops set up a false dichotomy that really involves people preferring vernacular over latin, which they then spin as preferring the new text over the old, which simply is intellectually dishonest.

Anonymous said...

Excellent! I have read that some time ago there was a conflict in Sweden over who had the rightful claim to St. Erik's relics -- the state Lutheran sect, the Catholic Church, or the national museum. Surprisingly (to this pessimist), the Catholics won the suit!

-- Bonifacius

thetimman said...

Canon Kunkel was briefly assigned to St. Louis a couple of years ago. Great priest, glad to see him doing well.

Simon Platt said...

But surely, Bonifacius, the relics are still in Uppsala's (now protestant) cathedral?

Kindred Spirit said...

One Mass at a time, one soul at a time... The publication of this missal is a good start.

Acreator said...

The relics of S.Erik are in the lutheran Cathedral in Uppsala, without any signs of devotion. We have even relics in museums.

To me, as Swedish Catholic, the best would be if we could transfer the relics to the Catholic Cathedral in Stockholm, it is named S.Erik, and there is a chapel for him prepared already.

Anonymous said...

Doh! I confused St. Erik of Sweden with St. Henry of Finland. The Finnish authorities did in fact return the relics of that saint to the modern Catholic diocese of Finland, at least for awhile. Whether the Catholics of Finland still retain the relics or will retain them I don't know.

-- Bonifacius

Bitte said...

ANonymous #1 - You're not entirely right. Some chose the NO Mass, others the Traditional - many both. Just as in any other Catholic community.

Besides, the language barrier is no more problematic for traditional Catholics in Sweden than it is for American trad Catholics.

Anonymous said...

Swedish society has government-enforced aggressively immoral and atheistic policy. I think that the slow growth of Traditional Catholicism is a clear oversight and we can expect that either they'll be totally politically correct while preaching, like ROC in the Soviet Union, or the government will soon remind them what they should think.

Symeon said...

Good pictures from the TLM in Sweden in the church of Christ the King in Gothenburg (the one of which you have no pictures) are available at:

http://nerammah.blogspot.com/2009/08/video-missa-cantata-i-kristus-konungen.html

http://nerammah.blogspot.com/2009/03/laetare-2009.html

http://nerammah.blogspot.com/2008/07/ef-i-gbg-11e-sndagen-efter-pingst-2008.html

http://nerammah.blogspot.com/2008/07/ef-i-gbg-9e-sndagen-efter-pingst.html

http://nerammah.blogspot.com/2008/07/ef-i-gbg-petrus-och-paulus-2008.html

Jon K said...

Anonymous,

I can personally assure you: so far, preaching has been very traditional. The faithfuls would hardly appreciate anything else.

One might add that, in Sweden, Mass in the traditional rite is often sung, even in the week.

Bitte said...

"Swedish society has government-enforced aggressively immoral and atheistic policy. I think that the slow growth of Traditional Catholicism is a clear oversight and we can expect that either they'll be totally politically correct while preaching, like ROC in the Soviet Union, or the government will soon remind them what they should think."

What you're saying actually implies that Swedes are sheep with no will of their own. Once again you are wrong - and you're also incredibly prejudiced.

The Catholic community in Sweden is anything but politically correct. Of course we have a few "we are the church"-people here - as do all other countries - but they are surprisingly few seen as a whole.

Because of this Catholics are being severely persecuted in the media, and sometimes by politicians. It is true that our government (a right wing government, btw) is eager to tell us what to believe - or rather what not to believe. But there is no sign whatsoever that the Swedish Catholics will give in - on the contrary: Our community provides a strong, Christian wall against secularization and watered down Christianity. And as the Traditional Mass is slowly becoming more and more common to many people here we see light for the first time since "reformation".

Slandering about Swedes and Swedish Catholics is not uniting the Church. In fact, it's dividing it. And it also shows a kind of judgmental thinking that is far from Catholic in the first place.

Erik Å said...

"...the protestant Church of Sweden, rendering it more or less illegal to be Catholic."

Well, from 1617 it was forbidden under pain of death to be a Catholic.

I would call that more illegal. :-)

Anonymous said...

Article untrue!

The two rites are not at all on an equal footing in the diocese. It is very much opposed by the clergy and Swedish faithful suffer from it. Also the fsspx is being denied church access, persecuted and calumniated.

In Stockholm, more than 80 persons have publicly requested a Sunday mass in the parish of the Cathedral but it is being denied.

In Stockholm a diocesan priest offers the mass two Sundays a month in a small parish late in the afternoon. The mass is unannounced for ideological reasons. The latest news is that this priest is being transfered to the south of Sweden.

The Sunday masses in Stockholm and Gothenburg are offered by diocesan priests or by priests from the fsspx, who visit Sweden twice a month with masses in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmoe.

Only one parish (Gothenburg) has a regular Sunday mass in the old rite very early in the morning. And the franciscans nearby offer it as well.

In other parts of the country there are occasional celebrations.

Historically approximately 10 diocesan priests have courageously offered the traditional mass in public since the 1980's.

The diocese has also had visits from the FSSP before the door opened to the ICRSP, who visits two parishes every two months or so on weekdays.

/Johnson
Swedish Catholic

Acreator said...

Well, yes, the Government and members of the Parliament has already expressed strong opinions against Catholic teaching, and the fact that we are dependent on the income from the taxation system runned by the Government, we are in a quiet delicate position.

Anonymous said...

Relics in Finland:

The medieval relics found in Turku Cathedral (the National Shrine, now Protestant) belong to the Evangelic Lutheran parish union of Turku, not to the museum authorities nor to the Catholic Church in Finland.

There is one small relic with a parchment stating that it comes from the elbow of Saint Henry of Uppsala, the patron saint of Finland and first Catholic Bishop here, who was martyred in 1156.

That relic was stored in the main altar of the Catholic Saint Henry's Cathedral by the National Board of Antiquity in 2000, but then ultimately, the Lutherans started to fight to get it and other relics from the museum authorities back to their possession. This happened.

After serious conversations, the Lutherans agreed to let the small relic of Saint Henry stay in the Catholic Cathedral, at least for 5 more years. Nobody knows, what will happen after that.

Oliver said...

Post-Vatican 2, can one not say that all these intiatives in support of a multiplicity of rites are not continuing manifestations of protestantism and measured reform? The ruling philosophy in modern Rome has afterall broken with tradition and all authorised liturgies whether trimmed in lace or not have to pay homage to that fact. Not to do so reneders them entertainment and tourism.

beng said...

If Swedes Catholic could convert Zlatan Ibrahimovich, then I would be ecstatic.

Anonymous said...

INterestingly, the former so caled "State Church", which is/was Lutheranism is largely dead in all Scandinavia (Sweden,Denmark, Finland, Norway) and in two other nations with historically Lutheran majorities..Estonia and Latvia.

I read where attendance at Lutheran services in this part of Europe is about 2%, not quite as low as the percentage of Anglicans attending church services in Great Britian (less than 1%!!!) Hooray!!

Vocations to Anglican (and the few existing Lutheran ) religious Orders is as bad as it is for the liberal radical Catholic religious Orders....with the difference that the 20-30 Anglican religious Orders combined have barely 1,000 members, and the few Lutheran ones about the same.

There is 1 Order of cloistered Lutheran nuns I read about however, which are very much (at least in externals) like Catholics and havenot done too badly vocations wise. Four houses might not sound like much, but in the Protestant world, that's huge!!

Some Anglican Orders have as few as 3 members, and dozens have become extinct...just like the liberal Catholic nuns.

I read that in Scandinavia, so few people attend Lutheran service, and the "church" is doing so poorly, that some groups have started to bring back the practice of worshiping the old Norse gods..complete with services and even temples.
There are some in Great Britian (former Anglicans) who are doing the same (worshiping the Norse gods, or practicing Druid lead services such as in pre-Christian Britian).

Catholics should learn a lesson from these Protestants (now on the point of extinction in much of Europe with regards to actually practicing members) and rather that emulate them, copy their services and traditions, and engage in mindless, endless ecumenism, rather to restore our ancient Catholic Mass and traditions, and to begin a massive re-Christianization of Europe campaign, not with the "Vatican II" model of Catholic Church, but with the traditions of the Catholic Church which brought Europe to an "Age of Faith" before the Protestant Reformation. (And after with the Counter-Reformation/Baroque Era).

Anonymous said...

"Besides, the language barrier is no more problematic for traditional Catholics in Sweden than it is for American trad Catholics."

For trads no. Duh.

But I'm talking about it making a foothold among the Catholic population in general, not just trads.

What lots of trads seem to think is, "Well, I can handle it, so everyone can". And sure, they COULD. But given an option, lots will choose the Novus Ordo not because they particularly like the text itself, but just because its in the vernacular.

Adeodatus said...

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ and thanks be to Him for the progress of the faith in Sweden.

Bitte said...

"But I'm talking about it making a foothold among the Catholic population in general, not just trads."

Sure. But then you would have to consider the same thing about all people and all nation since latin is not a living language in the first place. Duh.

Bitte said...

"The two rites are not at all on an equal footing in the diocese. It is very much opposed by the clergy and Swedish faithful suffer from it. Also the fsspx is being denied church access, persecuted and calumniated."

This is wrong. The traditional riet is not opposed by the clergy in general (and especially not by our Bishop) - but one has to remember that many of our priests have never actually learned the traditional Mass before. And when it comes to fsspx - well, it's not in harmony with the Vatican itself so why would the Catholic Church in Sweden act differently? The day when fsspx are again in full harmoni with the Church (and we all hope that will happen in a not too distant future) they will of course have full church access!

"In Stockholm, more than 80 persons have publicly requested a Sunday mass in the parish of the Cathedral but it is being denied."

Not entirely true either. Traditional Mass is offered on a regular basis in Stockholm - not every asunday but every second Sunday - and there is reason to believe it will soon be offered more frequently!

"In Stockholm a diocesan priest offers the mass two Sundays a month in a small parish late in the afternoon. The mass is unannounced for ideological reasons."

That's not true either.It IS announced on the church website. Besides Marie Bebådelse parish may be small, but it's a beautiful church and the fact that Mass takes place in the afternoon is that there are not enough priests who can say the Traditional Mass yet. I am sure that we'll soon see Traditional High Mass in Stockholm every Sunday!

Gideon Ertner said...

Sweden is without a doubt a very interesting case in contemporary Western European Catholicism. I'm not sure about the number 200,000, though. As can be seen from the website of the diocese, official Church membership is about 90,000; for some reason the true number of Catholics is estimated at around 150,000 - this is possibly due to the large number of Eastern Rite Catholics.

Nevertheless, five locations with a diocesan TLM is still a lot for a diocese of 90,000 Latin Rite Catholics. One must however keep in mind that Sweden is a vast country and that only some of the Masses are offered on Sundays.

I have met Bishop Arborelius; he is a pleasant man and often wears his habit. From what I can gather he is certainly no Traditionalist, but rather a (genuinely) inclusive character who seems perfectly happy to tolerate traditional Catholicism as one manifestation of the faith among others. This may not be ideal, but it is certainly better than most other places.

Gideon Ertner said...

"I am sure that we'll soon see Traditional High Mass in Stockholm every Sunday!"

Bitte, I sincerely hope so. That would be wonderful. And when it happens, please offer some of them up for your struggling brethren in Denmark!

We could do with a spillover from the miracle on your side of Øresund. When both our dioceses were erected in 1953, there were 15,000 Swedish and 23,000 Danish Catholics (and only 4,000 Norwegians). Both you and the Norwegians have overtaken us long ago, and that with a considerably smaller number of priests and vast geographical distances. How on Earth did that happen?

Acreator said...

Thank you for these historical remarks on the Catholic diasphora in Sweden. However, in the end it has some conclusions that are not in accordance with reality.

1. “but they are one of the fastest growing areas of the Church in Europe, attracting increasingly large amounts of converts from the domestic population annually”.

This is not true. We are fast growing exclusively because of the temporal influx of Assyrian and Caldéan Christians from Iraq, some 25 000 a year! The number of converts are steadily 70 a year, less than before Vat II, when it was around 120. And then we where only some 30 % of today.

2. “and it should be noted that traditional Catholicism has been playing an important role”

Not true. If you with "traditional Catholicism" mean the Traditional liturgy, it has not created many conversions - because it is so limited, with few possibilities to come in touch with.

Acreator said...

3. “Bishop Arborelius, whose imprimatur appears on the new Missal, has proven to be a true friend to tradition and has cooperated with the ICRSP to bring the traditional Mass to four different parishes in the diocese – including the Cathedral!”

Not entirely true. Bishop Arborelius is a pious and friendly person. But very few have heard him celebrate the Mass in latin. And when the storm around the bishop Wiliamsson interview started, he did not do anything for those poor believers sometimes visiting the SSPX Mass, who where pointed out as almost nazi friends. He said they did not belong to the Church. We have not the TLM in the Cathedral on regular basis. We had an indult permitting Sunday Mass since 1988. But it never came to reality. Not even under Summorum is it possible to visit a TLM mass, announced and declared as a part of the regular Sunday services!

4. “Today’s emerging convert population has a choice between two rites of equal footing!”

Not true. How can it be on equal footing, when we don´t even have an ordinary Sunday Mass? And when we have mostly foreign priests coming-and-going just for Mass, with no knowledge of the parishioners, no spiritual assistance or teaching?

7. “A test case that will show which liturgical path a historically Catholic European population will choose when given clear options as it re-embraces the Faith. In the unique situation of the Swedes, it is a choice between the rite which was pried from the hands of their Catholic ancestors by protestant rebels, and the rite devised 40 years ago by the post-conciliar Church in exile.”

This is a dream! We have experienced an almost physical resistance against any effort to put Summorum through. There are few Mass opportunities even in the cities! And they are not announced but in the groups of the already-acknowledged friends.

I am sorry to post these negative facts on a very optimistic report. Of course one should be grateful for all these groups reintroduducing the traditional liturgy. (in fact it was reintroduced already 1988 in Stockholm, by the late Dean in the Cathedral). But we must accept the realities and the history as it is, and the main mission must be to normalize the TLM so that it will be celebrated in official circumstances, and not as some activity for a few “friends” with special interests at odd hours and places. That is also what pope Benedict has indicated.

Jon K said...

Regarding Acreator's allegation that "Mass opportunities are not announced but in the groups of the already-acknowledged friends", I forgot to give the following links proving that this is not accurate:

Here, anyone may see that the diocese's website announces the traditional liturgy, and also links to the Association mentioned in the article, an association whose website at all times keeps up-to-date information in these matters. By request from the Bishop, incidentally.

Here, too, up-to-date info is given. With the approval of the Bishop.

Jon K said...

As a Swede with some knowledge of the situation at hand, I wanted to comment on Acreator's post. I did so earlier to-day. However, this reply of mine obviously did not register (cf. my post at 14:24). Only my addendum containing two links did. For this reason, I have restated most of my answer to Acreator:

1. Indeed, RC's article contains certain factual errors (about converts, for instance), which is understable. It is also somewhat too optimistic. But this is no reason for going to the other extreme, which I feel Acreator does.

2. Yes, there is opposition to Summorum p in Sweden. But where, in the Church to-day, is there none? What matters is the fact that the Bishop of Stockholm supports the Gregorian liturgy. This new missal is yet another proof of this. (Have you read its wonderful foreword by the Bishop?) Also, things are changing. Slowly but steadily.

3. Only as recently as 2004, there was not one single regular (approved) Mass in the older rite in this diocese. To-day, we have Stockholm, Gothenburg, Lund, Jonsered and now Luleå. (As soon a the parish priest in Eskilstuna wills it, his parish will be added to the list.) All of this with the express blessing of the Bishop; often with his personal help. How many Polish or Italian diocesan bishops can boast of the same record?

4. There is very little meaning in repeating: "We have not the TLM in the Cathedral on regular basis." First, because the Institute of Christ the King actually says Mass at the Cathedral regularly. Secondly, because the (sung) Sunday Mass in Stockholm every two week, although not said at the Cathedral itself, is celebrated in a central church of the capital.
Give it a little time, and the traditional Mass will no doubt be celebrated there every Sunday.

5. The matter of the (F)SSPX is a complex one, but also a separate one. It certainly is no litmus test of the Bishop's openness to Summorum p. -- Anyway, as long as the canonical matter is not settled in Rome, there is little the Bishop can do to accomodate the Society. One also needs to recognize the fact that the Society is not always easy to deal with. I know this from personal experience.

6. So many good things have already materialized. We must be able to rejoice at that. And then go on doing our part for a continued improvement.

Anonymous said...

Swedes in general did not suffer from the post-conciliar tumult that ravaged the Catholic world in the late 20th century largely because the Church was only marginally present among, or accessible to the Swedish people during most of that period.

Error, the "French Revolution" did take place also here, especielly of Jesuits. Books where burnt and statues was taken away.

Dr. Herbert R. said...

I have visited the Uppsala Cathedral, I have seen there the casket containing the relics of St. Erik. It was on one of the several chapels at the cathedral. There was also a marker commemorating the Visit of Pope John Paul II at the Uppsala Cathedral the National Sanctuary of the Church of Sweden (Lutheran).

Jim said...

I would like to order a copy of the missal for a friend. Unfortunately I could not navigate the Swedish at the site. Does anyone have any suggestions how how to get a copy?

Jon K said...

Jim,

Simply e-mail the publisher at sara@catholica.se : she speaks English and will no doubt accomodate you.

Kind regards,

Anonymous said...

Please, this article needs some correction since it does not correspond to reality.

There are only two places on the Swedish West Coast, where a Catholic can attend the TLM every Sunday. In violation with the dispositions of SP, the TLM is banned on Sundays in the biggest parish of Stockholm, although many traditional minded faithful have requested it.

The true situation does not at all correspond to the dreamlike visions exposed by the "friends" it is rather like Acreator is describing above.

However, it is true that the number of young faithful interested in the TLM is increasing, little by little. For the Swedish Catholics that is indeed good news and should also please the hierarchy.

Please offer some prayers that our local hierarchy may open their eyes and embrace their suffering faithful, liberating Tradition and increasing the number of TLM in Sweden.

/Catholic (living in Sweden)

Jon K said...

I can only refer Anonymous to what I wrote on 28 August, 2009 at 17:19.

It is quite ludicrous to assert that the traditional rite is being banned in Stockholm, when the Bishop personally made sure it is being celebrated there regularly. Serious efforts are being made to make this a weekly Mass, too. Simply complaining, though, is of little help.

With friends like Anonymous, the Tridentine liturgy, it would seem, needs no enemies.

Acreator said...

Just a remark to Jon K. I have by no means intended to cast any shadow on our bishop, nor had any "complaints" against him. The reaction was on the somewhat false picture the readers get of Sweden as a bastion of Tradition.(The case on SSPX that I mentioned was not dealing on the SSPX presence in Sweden, but how laymen were abandonded in a precious situation.) Facts are facts: No Sunday TLM in the Cathedral. No announcement of TLM on the churchwall.

Indeed, Summorum implies that there is no need for a big "yes" from the bishop, he is "strongly requested to satisfy their wishes." So the most important is that there are people expressing their aspiration for the traditional liturgy to live, and that there are priests willing to serve the Lord in this truly holy way.

I agree with Jon K that "Simply complaining, though, is of little help." But to tell the truth is not exactly the same thing as complaining.

I have to finish with a promising sign: Last Saturday, ending a pilgrimage of the diocese, the bishop had Sacramental Blessing in the church of S. Bridget in Vadstena - in latin!

Jon K said...

Acreator,

Indeed, facts are facts. And you are misrepresenting the situation in the capital. As I have already clearly shown.

Anonymous said...

Just because the "acknowledged friends" mentioned above have been granted an almost but by private indult celebration, twice a month during fall and springtime, hidden away in a small unfrequented parish, at unconvenient hours, it does not mean that all the groups of interested parishioners from other parishes have been granted a regular Sunday mass.

It is also true that the Diocesan website recently began to announce a labeled "gregorian" rite and this is almost the only way a Catholic can find out about it. Unless one is an "acknowledged friend".

One would also have to suppose that "gregorian" is supposed to mean the mass of 1962 guaranteed by the Holy Father to the faithful in every parish worldwide. I just ask, how familiar are such terms as Gregorian rite of mass???

Regarding the SSPX, it was indeed a disappointment to see how the local hierarchy abandoned the poor faithful who assist at mass there. The bishop could have defended Catholic honour and made a clear distinction between the scandalous interview and the Catholic faithful. Instead, he said that they where not Catholics!!!

The Diocese of Stockholm is just not a bastion of Tradition!

Those are the simple facts, as exposed already by several commentators above!

/Catholic (living in Sweden)

Jon K said...

Anonymous,

I have no idea what "aknowledged friends" you mean. The internet is very public indeed; it is not reserved for any friends. Your tone seems sectarian, though. Not to say resentful. I believe very little could ever please people of your sort.

But I hardly need to say any more. You have shown the whole world how little truth matters to you (se above). Unlike the FSSPX, which obvioulsy is your only concern. Well, they are already visiting, and therefore you ought to be content.

(I never said Sweden was a bastion of Tradition. But does reality ever matter?)

Anonymous said...

I would also like to agree with what is being said by other Catholics in Sweden about the situation here. It has somewhat improved lately but is still far from satisfactory.

The largest parish with close to one hundred faithful requesting the mass since 2007, still has no regular TLM on Sundays.

A positive note from Sweden, bishop Arborelius recently warned against the Swedish branch of "We are the Church"

/Peter

Paul K said...

I would also like to agree with what is being said by other Catholics in Sweden about the situation here. It has greatly improved of late.

The largest parish with close to one hundred faithful requesting the mass since 2007 now has a regular "TLM" on many Sundays.

A positive note from Sweden: bishop Arborelius recently warned against the Swedish branch of "We are the Church".

/Paul

Anonymous said...

It was interesting to find this post and read the discussion.

Well, I guess we all know now, don't we?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/09/bishop-arborelius-on-sspx-and-newest.html

Looking at the mentioned friends website, I would say that they are friends of a roman cardinal Enrico Dante and that they wish to keep his memory to posterity. May the good cardinal rest in peace!

/W.T.