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Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos speaks out


From the Italian blog Fides et Forma, with very slight editing. Emphases mine:

SZ: You say that you didn't know about the Williamson's interview. What would the Pope have done if he had known about it?

Hoyos: I would speculate no hypotheses about what the pope would have to do. I am just referring to what he knew, as the lifting of the excommunication was made public. At this moment none of us knew nothing about Bishop Williamson's statements. None of us! And no one had the duty to know it!

SZ: Do you share the positions of the SSPX?

Castrillon Hoyos: The members of SSPX think that they are defending the truth about sacred tradition and that they can not be excommunicated for it. This can be understandable, even if I do not share this opinion. For it is indisputable that they have broken a fundamental law of the Church.

SZ: Have you ever asked yourself whether your decisions may have political consequences?

Castrillon Hoyos: The excommunication of four bishops, is not a political act. It is an act of mercy. It is therefore a pastoral-theological problem, not an interference of the church in the political sphere. So I do not concern myself. My job is not to judge a brother bishop. That is the task of the Congregation for Bishops and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

SZ: But the Catholic Church has an opinion on antisemitism and the holocaust.

Castrillon Hoyos: The rejection by the Church of the very unjust violence which Jewish people were subjected to is quite clear. Such racial genocide is an immoral crime against humanity.

SZ: Why then did you not stop the lifting of the excommunication of a Holocaust denier?

Castrillon Hoyos: Williamson was excommunicated because of his illegitimate episcopal ordination, not because of his theories, judgments or statements about the Holocaust. Seeing the matter in the other way is a German mistake!
***
SZ: you didn't even know (about the opinion of Williamson) in 2009?
Castrillón Hoyos: I only know that the STV interviewed him on the occasion of a deacon ordination. And I got only on Feb. 5th informed about what he said in it. The Nunciature gave me the information in a sealed envelope.
Sz: Now the Bishop of Stockholm Anders Arborelius states that he informed the Nunciature in Stockholm as early as in November 2008.
Castrillón Hoyos: I deplore this untrustworthy (German: inseriös) statement a lot, because it is false. It is a slander (Gr.: Verleumdung)to spread out this kind of information. We save all the documents we get in digital form. Bishop Arborelius should say how, whom, and when he passed the information on, and whether it was passed on in written form or orally.
SZ: The Magazine Spiegel reported the interview of Williamson in 2008. Nobody reads it in the Vatican?
Castrillón Hoyos: It is possible that the German department in the Secretary of States knew about this report. I didn't.
SZ: Father Fellay, the General of the SSPX, might have known already what Williamson said in Interview, if we believe the letter he sent to the STV on the 21st. Jan., in order to prevent the series from being broadcasted.
Castrillón Hoyos: I know nothing about this.
SZ: Williamson said, he got to know you during a lunch?
Castrillón Hoyos: I had at that time just become the President of Ecclesia Dei. And there I saw in midsummer a group of persons in cassocks, so I asked my secretary to inform himself about this group. He told me they are Lefebvrists. So I invited them to me.
SZ: What was your impression of them?
Castrillón Hoyos: That they are good people, but sometimes too much fixed upon the idea that all evil in the world has the reform to the Council as its source. As I tried to relax the atmosphere and joked that if I would choose a language for Mass, I would take the Aramaic, the language of Christ, as I didn't know who had the bad idea to change the language of the Lord against the language of His persecutors. They found it a very bad joke. After this meeting it came the dialog with JPII, and then another dialog in Aug. 2005, with Pope Benedict.
SZ: Can you make a picture of Richard Williamson?
Castrillón Hoyos: He is a honest man, somewhat eccentric. Not silly, but obsessive and stubborn.
SZ: An honest man?
Castrillón Hoyos: He speaks out what he thinks. Williamson appears to me not like someone who want to cheat. Rather, he is a uncomplicated person who holds extreme positions: but with a simple and honest belief in them.
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SZ: Cardinal Battista Re felt cheated by you.
Castrillón Hoyos: As far as I know, he has never said this. But I know well that he has said some incautious words about me to the press. So I wrote him a letter, in which I said if anybody had known about the Williamson Holocaust-interview beforehand, it must be he alone. He was for many years in the Secretariat of the State. Today he is the head of the bishops' congregation. It is his task to watch over the bishops.
SZ: Did this scandal changed your relationship to the Pope?
Castrillón Hoyos: Yes, to the good! We have worked together hand in hand, not only because he is the Vicar of Christ, but also he is a first class theologian, a defender of the Faith, he has always trust in me. This has not been changed.
***
SZ: Did you feel yourself hurt by the media?
Castrillón Hoyos: I had a lot of experience with the media and got now a thick skin. I never asked for emendations, because it is useless. The truth will finds its own way. And the only truth is that what I just told you.
The original Italian article on Fides et Forma: CASTRILLON: QUELLA DI ARBORELIUS E’ UNA "CALUNNIA"
The Wiener Zeitung's English-language article: Fierce disputes among bishops

17 comments:

Mary said...

"As I tried to relax the atmosphere and joked that if I would choose a language for Mass, I would take the Aramaic, the language of Christ, as I didn't know who had the bad idea to change the language of the Lord against the language of His persecutors. They found it a very bad joke."

Aw.

I like the story about his asking who they were because they were in cassocks in summer.

His comment about emendations is interesting, I read somewhere that it's routine in Italy for famous people who are interviewed to ask to read the draft of the article for print, and then they change or strike out things they said they don't want published.

Anonymous said...

God bless Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, who has done much good over the years for those who love the old Mass and who seek the regularization of the SSPX's canonical situation. He is severing unjustly at the hands of his clerical enemies, and their allies in the secular media.

Peter said...

I can't imagine that wearing cassocks in summer is really that rare in Rome, to such extent that it makes cardinals astonished...

Bishop Arborelius should say how, whom, and when he passed the information on, and whether it was passed on in written form or orally.

Or maybe we should ask why he didn't say that? Why is he trying to cause another scandal? Is it because bishop Fellay was in Rome today?

Will the case of cardinal Kasper and bishop Arborelius be investigated? Will they be punished if cardinal Hoyos is right? I doubt it.

SZ: Can you make a picture of Richard Williamson?
Castrillón Hoyos: He is a honest man


Now we can expect headlines in the liberal media across the world: EX-VATICAN OFFICIAL: WILLIAMSON A HONEST MAN. Which is pretty obvious for everybody who has read his letters or heard his conferences.

SZ: Cardinal Battista Re felt cheated by you.
Castrillón Hoyos: As far as I know, he has never said this. But I know well that he has said some incautious words about me to the press.


That's really scandalous, arguments between the bishops in public. Liberals are out of their nerves.

Pray for the Holy Father, the SSPX, the reconciliation and all people involved in it. And obviously for the triumph of the Immaculate Heart!

LeonG said...

"For it is indisputable that they have broken a fundamental law of the Church.'

As much as Castrillon Hoyos is admirable he has to admit that many NO archbishops, bishops and presbyters have broken laws of The Church but not even been verbally sanctioned let alone excommunicated, as they ought to have been in some cases. This goes on week in week out and The Vatican remains in an ambiguous almost tacit silence. What is a rule for SSPX, if it is really just therefore, should be a rule applied to all. The new post-conciliar paradigm is applied in a self-interested manner and since the SSPX cannot be destroyed by excomunication; accusations of schism or by creating indult societies, coupled with the postmodernist catastrophe that is the new Catholic Church, the SSPX are here to stay and must be accomodated in the normal way as Catholics. Otherwise, as "brother" bishops and priests with fellow Catholic lay members the injustices served on the confraternity cries out to Heaven with even greater intensity. To tolerate the Neo-Cats (where disobedience abounds) makes normalising relations with traditionalists an even greater imperative. To tolerate sytemic NO liturgical illicitness and invalidities propagated by diocesan bishops and routinised by presbyters on a weekly basis without any consequences to them paints more vividly the injustice of treatment meted out to Archbishop Lefebvre and his confraternity. To witness Holy Communion being given to protestants, sodomites & abortionists in public by those at the apex of The Church hierarchy is even more striking. To witness abortion and sodomy, paedophilia and finacial fraud being encouraged by the leadership of The Church with little or no Vatican rebuke makes for a much starker contrast to any actions undertaken by the SSPX. The entire situation in The Church is certainly dysfunctional and entirely scandalous.

For anyone to reduce the SSPX situation to a short remark by one "brother bishop" is risible to pathetic. Castrillon Hoyos rightly places that red-herring in its proper context. In any case, Williamson is not the only stubborn and obsessional bishop in the post-conciliar establishment: there are plenty of those in the church today who continue in their erroneous manner without any reprimand at all.

irulats said...

Castrillon Cardinal Hoyos is a man who would truely die for Christ. Pray for more like him!

Anonymous said...

If Arborelius did send the report, but it never arrived to the Cardinal's office... that leaves one wonder where the report stopped. Did it stop by chance (possible), or was it made to stop in order to hinder the progress with the SSPX? By whom?

From another perspective: does any of this really matter? What if Castrillon would have known? Or the Pope? Is Williamson's statement the official position of the SSPX? No. So, why should the Church stop striving for unity because of this?

Let us pray. O God, our refuge and our strength, look down with mercy upon the people who cry to Thee; and by the intercession of the glorious and immaculate Virgin Mary, Mother of God, of Saint Joseph her spouse, of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and of all the saints, in Thy mercy and goodness hear our prayers for the conversion of sinners, and for the liberty and exaltation of the Holy Mother the Church. Through the same Christ Our Lord. Amen.

- A Scandinavian Observer

Anonymous said...

Re has always been the consumate Curial politician, so this back-biting of Castrillon-Hoyos is a bit less than newsworthy. What is sad though is Re's remarks regarding the Willaimson matter shows Re's priorities are not of the Faithful and the Church as a whole but his world and sphere of influence.

It is quite off-putting for Re to accuse Castrillon-Hoyos of any misdeed if Re himself knew of Williamson's sentiments. Nonetheless, it doesn't matter what Williamson thinks about the Holocaust. It has nothing to do with an excommunication or its lifting thereof.

Matt

Anonymous said...

Leon:

You're correct. The double standard is quite obvious. The laws of the Church apply only to traditionals; everyone else gets a free pass. And, according to the great Catholic lights on Catholic Answers, feel free to attend services anywhere - synagogue, mosque, or any protestant "church," but whatever you do, don't you dare darken the doorway of an SSPX Church! You may lose your faith!!

Brian Day said...

I claim no knowledge of how things work in the Vatican. If it is like any other bureaucratic organization then things get lost or things sit on a desk for a long time before being moved on to the next desk.

As an example, I am currently having to deal with the Disability Office of the State of California (no jokes please). I mailed in a required form. Four weeks later they say that they never received it. So I fax over the required information. After two weeks, no in the office can say if they received my fax.

I would hope that the Vatican is not as bad, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Anonymous said...

LOL, so much garbage with this Williamsongate.

Knight of Malta said...

"Castrillón Hoyos: That they are good people, but sometimes too much fixed upon the idea that all evil in the world has the reform to the Council as its source. As I tried to relax the atmosphere and joked that if I would choose a language for Mass, I would take the Aramaic, the language of Christ, as I didn't know who had the bad idea to change the language of the Lord against the language of His persecutors. They found it a very bad joke."

I found it pretty funny, myself (clever, too)!

It is true that some get too caught-up in the latin in the liturgy as some ancient rites carry other languages (the Ambrosian and Orthodox rites come to mind), and they are beautiful expressions of Christ's Eternal Sacrifice.

On the other hand, it is also true that Latin has been the lingua franca of the Catholic Church since at least the sixth century (think Gregorian Chant.)

So, for around 1400 years the liturgy has been in latin, until a fellow named Archbishop Bugnini (a suspected Mason, who Paul VI shipped off to Iran for such suspected ties) spearheaded a brand new liturgy "attended", but really presided by Protestants. In this effort, we have the "Novus Ordo," New Order, Mass. Sounds similar to the back of a one-dollar bill, underneath the all-seeing eye: "Novus Ordo Seclorum."

But, whatever, I'm sure the new order mass has been a great thing, given that france is now at 5% of the population attending mass (when before it was at 60%), and the fact that in America only one-third believe in the True Presence, meaning a plurality are receiving Our Lord sacrilegiously.

So, maybe it's time to Gin the Mass up a bit more, and reintroduce Latin, since it seemed to work fine is fostering the greatest Saints the Church has ever known, as well as being the Liturgy used in converting North and South American Indigenous people, who, even today, are predominately Catholic, despite the attempt to re-convert them to the false and unfun protestant faith.

Hestor said...

I wouldn't want to bump into a angry Cardinal Castrillion in a blind ally.

Anonymous said...

1. the pretended Arborelius report, nobody heard of before last Wednesday, is probably a cover-up invented by the bishop for the arch-liberal Swedish public opinion and media

2. or like someone said, who stopped it before it reached the pope ? the Nuncio ? his superior cardinal Bertone ? someone else like the cunning cardinal Re, who has so many acquaintances within the secretariate of State ?

In November 2008, the relationships between SSPX and Rome were not good at all : there was a cold after the Summer rebuke and what Bp Fellay called the "ultimatum". I have always thought that the Williamson interview was deliberately trying to severe any link and possible talks. This was a marvellous tool for those within the Curia who don't want any agreement with the SSPX, among them cardinals Re and ... Kasper are notorious.

Fortunately, so far, these Borgian-Rome style maneuvers have failed.
We can be thankful for cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to have worked for unity until the last minute as bravely as he did.

Alsaticus

Anonymous said...

His candor is rather pleasant.

Reminds of Bishop Williamson.

And Fellay.

And the Pope.

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Zakhur

Anonymous said...

Thank you, good cardinal Castrillon Hoyos!

Ad multos annos!

Anonymous said...

As for Latin being the language of Christ's persecutors, I think it was Divine Providence that the very Empire and language of that Empire would be taken over and transformed by the very small group of Christians mighty Rome persecuted. What was once a pagan language and Empire was transformed to a Holy language and the center of Christendom. Just as the cross, a sign of death and defeat, was transformed into a sign of victory and hope.

As for Aramaic, Christ's Jewish persecutors who had him crucified spoke it, so by the Cardinal's standard it would be no better than Latin.

Francesco Colafemmina said...

FULL TRANSLATION NOW AVAILABLE HERE

http://fidesetforma.blogspot.com/2009/09/castrillon-that-of-arborelius-is.html