Rorate Caeli

Pick a name

As it is widely known, relevant pontifical documents are usually identified by their incipit, the first word or words of the original document.

The title of a document may be random (that is, with no specific relation to the content of the text - they are just the first words that remained in the beginning of the text), but the identifying words are usually placed on purpose in their prominent position.

Since we do not yet have the title of the upcoming Apostolic Constitution on the Personal Ordinariates for the reception of Anglicans and their communities, it could be interesting to play with this - and it is quite possible that the communities will be identified by the name of the Constitution itself. Please, enter your suggestion (in Latin or in English) as a comment.

This is also an open thread for any Anglican-Catholic matter.

64 comments:

Anonymous said...

Apostolicam curam?

Marcos Vinícius Mattke said...

Vera Ecclesia Christi?

Salus animarum?

^^

Faith said...

I'd just call them the Anglican Ordinariates

Prof. Basto said...

Salutem Dominici Gregis

CLD said...

Why not just "Ecclesia Anglicana"?

Anonymous said...

Ovile Redemptoris unum

Pedro said...

Venientes ad Veritatem

Ager Flandriae said...

Tametsi

The Gentleman said...

Regrediens Romam Anglorum

craig said...

One Lord, one faith, one baptism

bedwere said...

Crassi Henrici

OBLATVS said...

Augustinum Cantuariensis, in the accusative, as usual.

Fr. Clecio

Anonymous said...

I have no idea about the incipit. But I suggest that each ordinariate take the proper name of a saint rather than of a place. For example, the one for England could be the Ordinariate of St. Augustine of Canterbury.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Immensitatem Caritatis

Irenaeus of New York said...

De Unitate Ecclesiae

Jack Dwyer said...

Non Angli sed Catholici...

Anonymous said...

Fr. Clecio:

Is -ensis accusative? I thought it was nominative. Perhaps both, as in the neuter -um, -a?

An unrelated question. I was recently in Rome for the third time. What does D O M at stand for (often at the top of a marble memorial tablet)?

Vox Clamans Ex Inculta said...

Oops. I looked at "-ensis" and saw genitive. :) Which is it?

How about 'Ad Veritatem Regredientes'?

Anonymous said...

Nunc, da mihi sediam gestitoriam.

Cooperator said...

Professor Basto, we had a a somewhat overlapping idea! I thought (not soo seriously) about a "Anglici Dominici Gregis" or "Angliae Dominici Gregis", then read your "Salutem Dominici Gregis" ! :)

On the side of the angels said...

recidivus domus

rev'd up said...

Gladius Vaginae

wullie1492 said...

Abhinc CCCCLXXIV annos.

Newman said...

Ecclesia Dei?

Anonymous said...

Dos Mariae

Fr. Ó Buaidhe

Gideon Ertner said...

Super hanc petram - probably not.

Unitate in veritate?

Gaudium magnum?

Like PKTP, I immediately assumed that the new ordinariates would be named after English Saints. But I would think it fitting if the one for England be named Our Lady of Walsingham.

Anonymous said...

""More heretics in the Church" ?"

This title given by a poster is humerous, but also unfortunatly true.

The terms for re-integration of these ex-Anglicans into the Roman Catholic Church is so broad, that they almost don't have to be Catholics at all, they can stay "Anglican" and continue their Protestant way of life, but be under the Pope. To me, that's unacceptable.
Even more alarming now are posts I've read regarding some disenfranchized Lutherans, who want to enter the Roman Catholic Church but keep their Lutheran traditions.
This is totally unacceptable. THis is not ecumenism in the true Catholic sense. It is not an ecumenism of "return" as Pope Pius XI saw in his encyclical.
It seems to me that if these Anglicans wanted to be Roman Catholic, they would accept ALL Roman Catholic traditions, and also discard most of their Protestant baggage....including the idea of married priests.
Seems to me they are giving up none of their Protestant past and traditions.
I feel that these people are entering the Catholic Church for the wrong reasons. They don't have any loyalty to the Papacy, nor love and attraction for Roman Catholic Faith and belief and traditions.
Their sole reason to become Roman Catholic is to escape the collapsing Anglican Church where the Protestant traditions of that faith are being discarded in favor of secularism, modernism, radical theology, etc. They are fleeing women priests, women bishops, gay bishops, gay priests, and homosexual marriage and blessings in the established Anglican Church.
All well and good.
But what they should have done (and what it seems they were doing with the TAC), was to build their own traditional model of their Protestant Anglican Church and build it up as the established liberal Anglicans disappear.
I don't believe that any of these TAC Anglicans are entering the Roman Catholic Church for the right reasons....love of the Catholic Church, its beliefs, Sacraments, traditions...the Mass...and obedience to the Pope.
I believe they are fleeing the increasingly secular Anglican establishment. Nothing more. IN their hearts they do not want to be Catholic....for if they did, there would be no such insistance on keeping their Anglican services, prayerbooks, and their married clergy.
The only GOOD thing about this, is that the Protestant world is OUTRAGED, and threatening cutting ecumenical ties with this Pope and the Catholic Church.
That would be a BLESSING, not a curse.

B.T. said...

Exsurge Domine item.

(But then that's the title I hope for with almost every encyclical and apostolic constitution.)

C. said...

Suscepi preces tuas (Gen 19:21)

...or, really, anything from that chapter.

Feeling waggish, I'll add one non-Scriptural incipit suggestion:

Delenda est Sodom.

New Catholic said...

"...they can stay 'Anglican' ... To me, that's unacceptable. ...some disenfranchized Lutherans, who want to enter the Roman Catholic Church but keep their Lutheran traditions.
This is totally unacceptable."

You may consider it unadvisable, but only the Supreme Authority can decide what is or is not unacceptable. He is the one who is personally responsible before God for all souls of men and women on this earth. Remember 'Salus animarum'...

Jordanes said...

This title given by a poster is humerous, but also unfortunatly true.

No, it is offensive, presumptuous, and dreadfully false.

The terms for re-integration of these ex-Anglicans into the Roman Catholic Church is so broad, that they almost don't have to be Catholics at all, they can stay "Anglican" and continue their Protestant way of life, but be under the Pope.

You don't even know what their terms for reintegration will be, so how can you pronounce about how broad they are?

It seems to me that if these Anglicans wanted to be Roman Catholic, they would accept ALL Roman Catholic traditions, and also discard most of their Protestant baggage....including the idea of married priests.

The idea of married priests is not "Protestant baggage," and a great deal of their baggage is in fact Roman Catholic baggage.

Seems to me they are giving up none of their Protestant past and traditions.

That's because you don't seem to know what their past and their traditions are.

I feel that these people are entering the Catholic Church for the wrong reasons.

You are not, and never will be this side of heaven, in any position to discern or pronounce upon what reasons they have for converting to Catholicism.

They don't have any loyalty to the Papacy, nor love and attraction for Roman Catholic Faith and belief and traditions.

Wrong. They obviously do.

Anonymous said...

Pulsate et aperietur

Credo In Unum Deum said...

I have some fear about this as well. There has been so much ecumeniacal crap these last decades that it makes it difficult for me to think these folks are really coming in for the right reasons. However, I do attend Our Lady of Atonement, and have spoken quite a bit to Fr. Phillips who was instrumental in developing the Anglican Use. Here is a man who was willing to give up the priesthood to be Catholic because he knew that he had no true priesthood. This was obviously before JP II signed off on the exception. But if all the TAC follks are like this man, then I say bring 'em in. These folks deplore the abuse in the liturgy and can only be a good force for liturgical house cleaning and a step in the right direction for the eventual return of the Immemorial Mass to the rest of the Latin Church.

deevon said...

GLORIA OLIVAE...

^^

Paul Haley said...

"De cura animarum" (about the saving of souls)...it applies to whomever takes advantage of the constitution's provisions be they Anglicans, CMRI, SSPV, SSPX...whomever - assuming it is written for such general application.

Anonymous said...

Ecclesia Anglicana libera sit

Just another mad Catholic said...

reparing the damage of 500yrs ?

also I second Jordaines, Bob the builders name IS exceptionally presumptious, but there again he obviously is SOOO more qualified than the Pope, come to think of it I don't understand why he doesn't declare himself Pope............ wait isn't that what Luther did?

Pastor in Valle said...

How about Unitatis redintegratio

Anonymous said...

"Cum autem adhuc" (Luke 15:20)

Deacon Nathan Allen

Joe B said...

On the issue of entering the church while retaining non-Catholic traditions, the church has a long history of allowing this in order to cultivate Catholicism in a previously hostile culture. This even for barbarian conversions. In time, the church wins souls that she would otherwise never have had much of a chance at, and the culture gains for it.

True, it is often a weaker faith initially, but that just means we have work to do - business as usual, opportunities abounding.

So we might consider it a two phased approach to mass conversions. First comes the structure, then comes the work of converting individual souls. In the past, the best of missionaries might be sent in to guide the conversion work, but that is the real question now - who will be doing the conversion work and what will they be guiding these souls to? With the church in such a weak state right now, it will surely not be the faith of old, but it will also surely be better than their old faith. The Sacraments alone will ensure that.

Chris said...

How about "The King's good servant-but God's first."

OBLATVS said...

Anonymous,

You're absolutelly right. The correct form would be "cantuariensem". That's what happens when you try latin at 4 a.m. My latin students would give me a D minus.

D.O.M means "Deo Optimo Maximo" (To God, the Best, the Greatest).

Fr. Clecio

Fr. John Zuhlsdorf o{]:¬) said...

Fidei defensor...

David L Alexander said...

“I’m Hen-er-ee the eighth I am ...”

Anonymous said...

Hmmm...given the specific audience and flavour of this Constitution, would it not be fitting for the official version of Apostolic Constitution to be composed in English (Cranmerian English, of course) just as St. Pius X's encyclical on the Sillon was in French and Pius XI's encylical on Fascism was in Italian and his one on Nazism was in German.

In such case I call the incipit to be:

From the time of Gregory

Brian said...

Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Simon Platt said...

I hope I'm not being oversensitive here - I think I'm not - but it does seem to me that some of these suggestions imply that this business is about the English, that the "church of England" is the English church, etc. Of course that is not so; in particular there are many faithful English catholics and, as regards the "Traditional Anglican Communion", they are a tiny group in England. Almost nobody here has ever heard of them.

Anonymous said...

On the long post by Anonymous here, I suggest he check his facts first, then do his analysis, and then draw the conclusions from the premises. Instead, he merely presents speculations as if they were logical conclusions. He is totally wrong and doesn't know what he is writing about.

The national parts of the TAC, one by one, left the Anglican Communion over a long time, most of them in the 1970s and 1980s. Most of their members were close to Rome for over a century before then and have been advocating a return to Rome for Anglicanism back to the Oxford Movement in the nineteenth century.

They are far more Catholic than are most N.O. faithful and do have a love of the Pope and of the Church. Most of them swallowed the 'branch' theory of their divines, in which the Anglican Church was one branch of the Catholic Church, which, they have always maintained, is headed by the Pope. That is wrong but they grew up believing it and believed it sincerely.

Their attachment to some Anglican forms is more emotional and æsthetic than theological. Cranmer's Prayerbook is one of the great treasures of English litertature, up there with King Lear, Paradise Lost, and the Canterbury Tales. Their tradition of hynmondy is also very fine. Yes, I suspect that they want to keep the æsthetic aspects, which are beautiful. Beauty is a reflection of the divine.

As for the doctrinal part, they just want to be Catholics. I'm not prepared to judge their honesty. They grew up without the helps of the Catholic Church and yet want to be Catholic. And it has never been only about sexual inversion or womanpriest. Those are more the straws that broke the camel's back. Proof of their sincerity is the fact that they want to join Rome DESPITE the fact that our clergy is now overtaken by sodomites, the very people they contemn.

P.K.T.P.

Charlestonian said...

Anonymous who posted with the..shall we say 'incipit'..."More heretics," you seem to think you have a great deal of knowledge about the motivations of members of another church. Please allow me to share an inside view which is rather different.

I am an Anglican who is very excited to be entering into full communion with Rome under this new plan. As evidence of my good faith, I was already in RCIA and planning to become Catholic regardless when this was announced. I fully believe and profess all that the Church teaches. (While well aware that this is a traditional Catholic blog, I'm not here to get involved in the SSPX discussion, except to comment that this personal ordinariate model seems like an appropriate way forward in that discussion as well.)

Dogmas of the Church are not up for debate here. Anglicans who don't agree with them won't be able to become Catholic. But those who do agree will be allowed to preserve their liturgical tradition--purged, of course, of Protestant elements. Those who know about Anglo-Catholicism and the Oxford Movement also know that this is not a new effort, but has been going on for nearly two centuries and has led to the creation of some beautiful liturgies like the English Missal, the Anglican Missal, and the Anglican Breviary, all of which are doctrinally correct, Catholic liturgies based on the pre-Tridentine Sarum Rite. I encourage you to look them up online.

And if we are fleeing the "increasingly secular Anglican establishment" because we are convinced that the only way to avoid the pitfalls of secularism is to cling to the Rock of Peter, why is that a problem?

Angelo said...

Super Hanc Petram . . .

father Anthony Cekada said...

"Cum ex apostato officio"

Vox Coelestis said...

Remembering the Book of Common Prayer:

Vera communis oratio

Sid said...

Non Angli, sed Angeli

See Bede's account of Gregory the Great upon his seeing two boys, blond, in the forum to be sold as slaves, and his reply when told "They are Angles"

David S said...

To Anonymous: 'D.O.M.' found on burial monuments in Rome (and elsewhere) stands for 'DEO OPTIMO MAXIMO', "To God, the All Good, the All Great". This insctiption is to be found everywhere, from elaborate sculptural monuments to simple tombstones set in the floor paving of the churches.

Jay said...

The Church suffered a lot from bad converts in the past. The example may be experiments with'underground' Masses with priest turned toward the people. These Masses were offered in the 20th last century in some monastery in France where the ex-converts were living their lives dreaming and working hard to introduce liturgy like this. On the appearance they were properly Catholic, made their anti-modernist vow etc, but underground they did what they liked. Now, these Trad Anglicans are more Catholic than NO protestantised mainstream folks, maybe this time they will be used by God's providence to help spread Tradition. Providence for married priest is possibly temporary - only for those who are already married. Be of good hope!

David L Alexander said...

I'd like to think I've had just a little experience with Anglo-Catholics. To wit ...

man with black hat: My Anglican Moment

New Catholic said...

A beautiful experience, Mr. Alexander.

Thank you,

NC

dcs said...

I looked at "-ensis" and saw genitive. :) Which is it?

It is genitive - "Cantuariensis" = "of Canterbury." It is "Augustinum" that is accusative.

Anonymous said...

If there is to be an ordinariate for England, I suggest that its seat be put at Windsor. Then the structure could be the Ordinariate of Windsor, with obvious implications.

But Your Majesty, you, you, you can't leave the Church of England and yet remain as its Governor. Why not?, quipped the Queen. I'm the General Superintendent of the Church of Scotland and yet I'm no Presbyterian, although dear mother leaned that way.

P.K.T.P.

More seriously, I think that the Prince of Wales and his sons just might join the Ordinariate for England. That would bring a flood of converts over. Rowan Williams might find that even his wife and his cat have abandoned him and that only some fellows in pink and shirts and rainbow sashes are left to care for the ancient parish churches of the realm.

P.K.T.P.

Albrecht von Brandenburg said...

How about:

Ecclesia insignis Sarisburiensis resurgens ex cinibus ... ?

Vox Clamans Ex Inculta said...

"It is genitive - "Cantuariensis" = "of Canterbury." It is "Augustinum" that is accusative."

Thanks, dcs. :)

Br. Stephen, O.Cist said...

I've got to go with Sid's suggestion. Of course the two word title form would be, "Non Angli," which has the right note of irony.

As a former Anglo-Catholic, I've been following the developments fairly closely on my blog and trying to give background commentary for folks who are trying to get a grasp of the very confusing world of the Anglo-Caholic sub culture.

You'll find about ten posts at the link below with links to documents and commentary on things like the English Missal, the backgrounds of the players in Anglo-Catholicism, and some of the traditional prayers for the conversion of England:

http://subtuum.blogspot.com/

David L Alexander said...

Brother Stephen:

Just checked out your weblog briefly. I'm in the middle of taking another look at the phenomenon that is Anglo-Catholicism, and look forward to a closer review.

DLA

Anonymous said...

O perfida perfida Albion