Rorate Caeli

It had to be said


Gerald Warner (Telegraph Blogs)

... A spin is being put on the shocking revelations in the report on abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin [CLICK HERE FOR FULL REPORT] to implicate the “pre-Conciliar” Catholic Church in the wrongdoings of post-Vatican II pederasts. In the process, the name of a good man has been dragged into the cesspit, for political purposes.

The Most Reverend John Charles McQuaid, Archbishop of Dublin (1940-1972) was a great Catholic prelate. Under his pastoral leadership, the numbers of clergy and religious increased by more than 50 per cent, he created over 60 new parishes and built over 80 new churches and 350 schools. But he was a Vatican II sceptic who implemented reform conservatively, in accordance with what would now be called the “hermeneutic of continuity”. So he is a bogey figure to radicals.

Most unjustly, his name has been dragged into this scandal. The official Commission’s Report states: “During the period under review, there were four Archbishops – Archbishops McQuaid, Ryan, McNamara and Connell.” Not so. The “period under review” is set out in the Commission’s Terms of Reference as “the period 1 January 1975 to 1 May 2004”. Archbishop McQuaid retired in 1972. The Report very misleadingly claims that by 1987 three Archbishops – McQuaid, Ryan and McNamara – had between them complaints against 17 priests.

But only one of them, the anonymous “Father Edmondus”, was suspect during McQuaid’s watch and even the report concedes that, of the 320 complaints relating to those priests, only three dated back to the McQuaid era, presumably against “Father Edmondus” and in a period prior to that covered by the Commission’s Terms of Reference. On the basis of that isolated allegation they attempt to align Archbishop McQuaid with his negligent successors.

Revealingly, the Report says: “As is shown in Chapter 4, canon law appears to have fallen into disuse and disrespect during the mid 20th century.” Yes; and we all know why – the post-Vatican II anarchic denunciations of “legalism”, of “oppressive” sexual morality and Church teaching generally, promoted by the modernists. As regards implementing canon law against abusers, the Report concedes that Archbishop McQuaid “set the processes in motion but did not complete them [difficult to do when you are dead]. Archbishops Ryan and McNamara do not seem to have ever applied the canon law.”

Well, who ever did, in the trendy, let-it-all-hang-out 1970s and 1980s? The image that has sedulously been propagated is of Irish child abuse perpetrated by priests in soutanes and birettas, cowled monks muttering Latin incantations and nuns in starched wimples and mediaeval habits.
On the contrary, the nightmare orgy of relentless mortal sin recorded in this report was committed by modern priests, with a strip of white celluloid in place of a Roman collar – if they deigned to wear clerical dress – devastating their church sanctuaries as badly as they devastated childrem’s lives, abolishing all the devotions such as Benediction, the Rosary, regular confession, devotion to saints, etc that had sustained Irish faith for centuries. One priest admitted to abusing over 100 children. For that he was indulged; but if he had celebrated the Latin Tridentine Mass his feet would not have touched the ground.

The BBC (to turn to light relief) has exploited this scandal in a style that vindicates its claim to have succeeded Pravda as the leading disseminator of disinformation. A radical priest was produced on Radio 4 to testify that an excessively strict code of sexual morality in the Church was to blame: one shudders to think what excesses would have been committed if the code had been more lax.

Was clerical celibacy the problem? prompted a BBC interviewer. Of course it was. We all know that what a priestly abuser of boys (and this is mainly a homosexual scandal – the Report records a ratio of 2.3 boy victims to 1 girl) needs is a wife – ask any of the Anglican vicars who have provided a living to the red-top tabloids for generations.

Let us set the record straight. This filthy abomination was a scandal of the post-Vatican II, open-windows, relevant, touchy-feely (often, it seems, inappropriately so) Catholic Church. So let the ecumaniacs, the liturgical animators, the Easter People take ownership of it and desist from blackening the reputation of a decent prelate and, by implication, of the unchanging Church that sustained Ireland through centuries of oppression.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

"One priest admitted to abusing over 100 children. For that he was indulged; but if he had celebrated the Latin Tridentine Mass his feet would not have touched the ground."

The author has nailed it.

Anonymous said...

As to the BBC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

Tom said...

Than goodness someone has spoken out in favour the late Archbishop McQuaid.

I suspect he is being deliberately included in the list because the modern (ie post-McQuaid) Church in Ireland is happy to blacken is good name for any reason. Whatever his faults, he was no Modernist.

Leonardo de la Paor said...

12 quotes from St. Peter Damian
The following 12 quotes come from the writings of St. Peter Damian, a great ascetic and monk who was especially troubled by the clergy and religious of his time who failed in their duties, especially celibacy. Think of them as a year of monthly intentions for the US bishops to meditate upon in reparation for the Scandal:
• “Tell us, you unmanly and effeminate man, what do you seek in another male that you do not find in yourself?”
• “For God’s sake, why do you damnable sodomites pursue the heights of ecclesiastical dignity with such fiery ambition?”
• “By what right or by what law can one bind or loose the other when he is constrained by the bonds of evil deeds common to them both?”
• “Who can expect the flock to prosper when its shepherd has sunk so deep into the bowels of the devil?
• “Who, by his lust, will consign a son whom he spiritually begotten for God to slavery under the iron law of Satanic tyranny?”
• “This utterly diseased queen of Sodom renders him who obeys the laws of her tyranny infamous to men and odious to God.”
• “Without fail, [the vice of sodomy] brings death to the body and destruction to the soul. It pollutes the flesh, extinguishes the light of the mind, expels the Holy Spirit from the temple of the human heart, and gives entrance to the devil, the stimulator of lust.”
• ”[The vice of sodomy] leads to error, totally removes truth from the deluded mind . . . It opens up Hell and closes the gates of Paradise.”
• ”[The vice of sodomy] is this vice that violates temperance, slays modesty, strangles chastity, and slaughters virginity.”
• [The vice of sodomy] defiles all things, sullies all things, pollutes all things.”
• “Who will make a mistress of a cleric, or a woman of a man?”
• “It is not sinners, but the wicked who should despair; it is not the magnitude of one’s crime, but contempt of God that dashes one’s hopes.”
Of course, having criticized homosexuality in public—or published the writings of a saint who criticized it—I will now be accused of being a secret, self-hating closeted homosexual and the rest of the brownshirt psychobabble. But then I suppose that would make my critics secret, self-hating closet conservatives. But then… I better stop before I get into a paradox loop.

Anonymous said...

I hope this excellent piece is published in Ireland. Also, I hope that the SSPX and other traditionalist groups in Ireland are ready to open peoples eyes and inform them what and who is totally responsible for this disaster.....the Vatican II reforms, the Novus Ordo Mass, the relaxed disipline of post-Vatican II priests, homosexuality promoted in seminaries, and a totally corrupt and radical liberal Irish Episcopacy AFTER the time of the great Archbishop McQuaid, and also an equally corrupt Vatican under the watch of Paul VI and throughout the entire 26 years of John Paul II and his world-travels.

Had the Church has a real Pope in the mold of Pius XII from 1963 until the present time, none of this would have happened.

Nothing will happen under jellyfish Pope Benedict XVI either. Let's just hope he lasts long enough for any prelate of this post Vatican II era (1963-around 1987) to be too old to be considered for Pope.
Not likely!!!!

Bryan said...

May be useful to quote from the Dublin Report (Part 2: page 186):

"12.43 Archbishop McQuaid‟s view, in the early 1960s, that he could not refuse to accept the denials of such a worthy priest Fr McNamee ordained 1942) was sadly misguided. If action had been taken then, the abuse of a large number of boys could have been prevented. It is quite clear from Bishop Forristal‟s recollections and from the interview that Monsignor O‟Regan conducted with Fr McNamee‟s colleagues that, in the 1970s, there was significant knowledge of the type of
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activities that Fr McNamee was up to with children in his own swimming pool and elsewhere. However, even though he knew there was a problem, the Archbishop (McQuaid) did not take any action."

Perhaps Mr Warner should cite evidence to back up his arguments or is Post hoc all he relies on?

Bryan

E.F. (pastor emeritus) said...

Very well said. John Charles was a Saint in the eyes of Dubliners

shane said...

May I just point out that Archbishop Ryan, who is described in the report as the least effective prelate in dealing with abuse, was a progressive of a rather pronounced variety. McQuaid actually had Ryan removed from his teaching post at Clonliffe seminary for inculcating his students in modernism. His appointment to the Archbishopric was protrayed (inaccurately) by a triumphalistic media as a Vatican blow to McQuaid.

Anonymous said...

Bravo for speaking up in defense of a saintly prelate!

Did you by chance come across this enlightening piece in Homiletic & Pastoral Review of December 2007 by a traditional Catholic psychologist who links the liturgical changes/abuses to the sexual malfeasance of the 1970's?

Liturgical and Sexual Abuses
by Dr. G.C. Dilsaver, PsyD, MTS

http://idpsy.com/article3.html

Anonymous said...

• “Without fail, [the vice of sodomy] brings death to the body and destruction to the soul. It pollutes the flesh, extinguishes the light of the mind, expels the Holy Spirit from the temple of the human heart, and gives entrance to the devil, the stimulator of lust.”
• ”[The vice of sodomy] leads to error, totally removes truth from the deluded mind . . . It opens up Hell and closes the gates of Paradise.”


Plato would disagree, probably.

Paul Haley said...

ROFL- except that it's not a laughing matter . The pre-Vatican II era was responsible for the abuse scandal? You've got to be kidding. There is in psychology a defense mechanism known as projection wherein one projects the blame for actions on others, usually the innocent or the actual victims. Methinks that is the case here.

Iosephus said...

http://thefarsight2.blogspot.com/2009/11/john-charles-mcquaid-1895-1973.html

M.A. said...

"A radical priest was produced on Radio 4 to testify that an excessively strict code of sexual morality in the Church was to blame: ..."

Unfortunately, it is not just the radicals who hold such opinions. Not too long ago, a very conservative [permanent] N.O. deacon made a similar statement. He thought it was good that a seminarian could now form friendships with women - as opposed to the bad old days of restricted seminary life - and not only did he say that, but he also thought the saving grace for the priesthood would be "theology of the body"!

Nicholas said...

"Plato would disagree, probably."

A common misunderstanding, which usually stems from making the capital mistake of thinking one or other of the speeches in the Symposium that praises homosexuality should be taken for Plato's actual view. Which is absurd.

Plato actually had very little sympathy for sodomy, or for non-reproductive sex of any stripe, for that matter.

Try Republic, Book III 403a-c, and Laws, Book I 636a-d, and Book VIII 838e-839a.

Anonymous said...

Dear Posters,
I am an Irishman,there is no difference between what is called the pre-conciliar and post-conciliar church, if you think there is you are no longer Catholic, changes in missals don't take away the nature of the Church. Unfortunately I have to burst the bubble of many on this blog. The abuse of children by clergy goes way back as far back as the 1920s in Ireland. Fr Brendan Smith the worst known offender was a Norbertine priest ordained before Vatican 2. He was a strict rubricist who decried the doing away of the Premonstratention missal after Vatican 2, he also sexually abused and I mean buggered scores of children. We should also remeber one Father Martin Luther OSA also celebrated the older liturgy, that didnt stop him from starting the reformation. Lets all remember Frs Carlos Urritigoity SSPX, Fr Benedict Van der Putten SSPX and Fr Timothy Svea ICRSP (the 2 latter ones are now former priests )not to mention the child abuse which has taken place within the Society Saint Pius X but which has been covered up.
Archbishop McQuaid was not a saint in the eyes of Dubliners, I don't know where you have living. He was an autocrat who put the name of the Church above the safety of Gods little ones-may the Lord Jesus have mercy on his soul for such a grave sin.

Jordanes said...

Anonymous Irishman, it's true that the problem of sodomitic priests preying on boys and young men has been around since long before Vatican II. But it's also undeniable that the problem got far, far, far worse in the aftermath of Vatican II.

there is no difference between what is called the pre-conciliar and post-conciliar church, if you think there is you are no longer Catholic, changes in missals don't take away the nature of the Church.

True, the change in the Missal did not change the nature of the Church -- but even a cursory glance will reveal that the pre-Vatican II Catholic Church is different in many ways from the post-Vatican II Catholic Church.

Anonymous said...

Anon. Irishman of 16:52:

Do mean there were more abusers in the SSPX than just that Urrutigoity clique and Van der Putten??

Anonymous said...

... And I should say that I speak as a former SSPX seminarian.

Anonymous said...

Fr Carlos Urrutigoity was dismissed form the SSPX seminary for homosexual behavior, so it is incomparable case. After he was regularized by Rome the SSPX send a letter of warning to his new superior, which was unfortunately ignored.

Jean said...

There is nothing new under the sun. St. Peter Damien had to deal with it, we have to deal with it, the difference is that in former times there were no international courts and mega-national court systems with which to punish the church around the world for a sin known to all ages.

The Vatican II liberal experience is over. It's over. Make no mistake, the secular courts are doing for ecclesiastical conservatism what forty years of Traditionalist protests and objection could not. And I, for one, thank them for it. The church is sobering up very quickly. And it's about time.

Stop kvetching and take the lashes God is meting out stoically, and with an eye to the future. By His stripes we were healed. By our own we shall be purged.

Anonymous said...

Please don't forget about the calumniation of poor Archbishop Kevin McNamara! Having just read his brilliant pamphlet "Mary Today" (Irish Bishops Speak No.6 1978) I'm now itching to get hold of anything else he has written. He was a lone champion of the orthodox moral theologian Msgr Francis Cremin. Both men suffered terribly from being isolated by all the other Irish prelates (all liberal). McNamara had cancer when he was appointed Archbishop, and would never have tolerated any of this had he been well. Requiescat in Pace!!

Anonymous said...

At the time Fr Van der Putten was engaged in sexual misconduct he was either already expelled from the SSPX or on the verge of expulsion, whatever - let me remind you that he was portraying himself as a victim, he had "compassionate" supporters who claimed that he is being persecuted by the evil bishop Fellay for his will to reconcile with Rome.

He then began spreading calumnies that the SSPX is an evil sect, cult full of sedevacantists etc. And many full-time SSPX-mockers believed him.

I'll tell you what: the SSPX are the last people in the Church willing to tolerate sodomy, and the first willing to expel for that.

Anonymous said...

Vatican II wrecked the Church. Happy 40th anniversary of the Novus Ordo everyone!

Paul Haley said...

We all know that not every priest held to his vows whether pre or post Vatican II for Satan will work his mischief regardless of time and circumstance. But to imply that Pre Vatican II standards of conduct were responsible for the post Vatican II clerical abuse scandals is beyond the pale.

LeonA said...

Much has been written regarding Communist methods of infiltration. The standard method was to "bore from within" which involved Communists disguising themselves as loyalists to an organization they sought to undermine. Once gaining entry, they would gradually and subtly change the values and principles of the targeted organization. The process of "change" can take a generation. Communists have exhibited unlimited patience and supreme confidence in the ultimate attainment of their goals. Examples in America include substantial inroads by Communists into organized labor, academia, the legal profession, race relations, cultural institutions, and the government itself.

When planning to infiltrate, the Communists probe for an institutional weakness to exploit and, in the case of the Catholic Church, perhaps they perceived the weakness to reside in the all-male celibate priesthood. Did Communists send their followers, particularly homosexuals, sexual deviants, and enablers, into seminaries to become priests in order to foster a homosexual culture within the church? Homosexuals, practicing their predilections in an overwhelmingly conservative Catholic community, while given protection by well placed minded superiors, could certainly contribute to the undermining of faith in Catholicism and could unquestionably shake the credibility and moral standing of the Church itself down to its very foundations. Undermining Catholic authority has been a clear and often stated goal of the Communist left. Speculation regarding how the Communists attempted to implement their program is reasonable and necessary in order to better understand the present situation.

Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future "you will not recognize the Catholic Church," Dodd also asserted that:

"In the 1930's, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within."

"Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism."

Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of "Color, Communism and Common Sense" testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:

"Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin ... the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself. The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries. The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations."

Jay said...

"12 quotes from St. Peter Damian
The following 12 quotes come from the writings of St. Peter Damian, a great ascetic and monk who was especially troubled by the clergy and religious of his time who failed in their duties, especially celibacy."

This is I suppose from St Peter Damian's Book of Gomorrha. He wrote the treatise in 11 century. The incredible evil and pestilence of pederasty and paedophilia is always on increase wherever vulnerable, children, disabled are under care. We cannot say it did not happened before V2.

The essay based on this treatise http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/damian1.htm

Anonymous said...

I am relieved that the anonymous Irish commentator has written as he has. The gross disorder of paederasty goes back to the beginning of time and is a recognized psychological disease. What is noticeable in the Dublin report is that although many of the accused priests attended courses of therapy after courses of therapy they still continued to abuse and seem entirely unaffected by them.

It is absurd to say that the root of the problem lies in the post-concilear Church. Rather, it lies in the gross permissiveness in the secular, non-Catholic world that erupted in the West during the late-Sixties following the general use of the Pill. Coupled with this was the legalization of homosexuality in many European countries and American states. Hence the ruinous sexual free-for-all and the development of AIDS and abortion in the Seventies and Eighties. Society as a whole became sexualized as never before and this provided a cloak for paedersty.

None of this had anything to do with Vatican II, still less the loss of the old Roman Rite. The moral revolution took the Church by surprise and it was intensified by the use of easily obtained contraception.

Within this generally lax climate many Catholics, including priests and religious, were infected by the spirit of the times. Within the Church, Humanae Vitae was generally and wilfully ignored and led to a crisis in accepting and living the teaching of the Church. It is clear today that Catholic families who accept Humanae Vitae at the core of their marriages produce happy children and a safe environment protected from secular influences.

It is over-simplistic and untrue to link this demise with the abandonment of the Old Mass. This gains force when you remember that paederasts were and are found among grown men who act and acted as Masters of Ceremonies and mature servers, some of them really horrible people. Perhaps they themselves were abused by priests or others when they were young? What is vile is that many of the incidents in the Dublin report took place in sacristies.

What is in question in this revolting matter is the integrity of the Church in covering up these incidents in order to preserve the good name of the institution and the priesthood. It was called 'keeping it in the family'. Thank God it is only a minority who betrayed the Church in this way by their disordered lives. But 46 is a large proportion in one diocese and one cannot help wondering how this was replicated in the remaining Irish Catholic dioceses.

Believe me, I know and love the Church and I continue to know and love it to this day. But Original Sin was as alive and well before Vatican II as it is now.

Anonymous said...

To see this as a victory for the pre-conciliar Church is sadly unjustified. The Ryan Report published categorically demonstrated the type of turpitude that existed among religious in orders in the Dublin Diocese during the inter-war years. These orders did not exist in a bubble outside an arrogant and concupiscent clerical culture. There were many good religious and priests, many great religious and priests, but pederasts and child abusers found a happy home, sheltered from penalty by their collar or habit in the twentieth century (and for all we know the nineteenth century) Dublin Diocese.

Anonymous 16.52 is absolutely correct. To try and gain a scintilla of consolation from this, while in some ways understandable given what orthodox Catholicism has endured, is a strategy that can in no way withstand sustained reasoning and analysis.

The Irish Church intoxicated by power became in too many ways a playground for Satan. McQuaid, Ryan, McNamara and Connell presided over wrongheaded cover ups and all perpetuated thereby the scandal that has erupted in all our faces.

Some people have idolatrous nostalgia for the power-hungry Church - ironically they are often the ones who have suffered most because of a totalitarianism in favour of banal liturgy and against traditional liturgy in the Church in Ireland and among the IRish diaspora. The clerical arrogance of the Irish Church translated easily from the pre-Conciliar Church to the televisual presiding role of the priest in the Novus Ordo. It was a change of format, but it was the same strain.

The lack of material about earlier generations who suffered has much more to do with 1) the emigration of those abused, and 2) the lack - for good or ill - of a culture of complaint about psychological trauma than any inherent virtue in the pre-conciliar Dublin Diocese.

Like Anonymous 16.52 I am also Irish and know quite a bit about the pre-conciliar Dublin Diocese. The only hope for us is to look forward. Tradition is about the future as much as the past. We must always be cleaning the filth in the Church, starting in our own hearts.

If you choose to be smug, if you choose not to learn from this, to take possession of this scandal as your own, you will suffer from scandal after scandal after scandal.

shadrach said...

Judgements on McNamara's capacity, diminished or otherwise, for right action are not ours to make. The things that happened on his watch, happened on his watch. The ability to write an orthodox pamphlet does not in anyway mean that he necessarily acted correctly.

Furthermore anybody who thinks these scandals are down to communist infiltration has a major problem owning up to the sinfulness of our clerics and lay people. We are creatures. Finem perfectam concedat nobis Dominus.

Sentimentalism and nostalgia are among the foremost enemies of successfully upholding Catholic tradition. It is they that obscure our capacity for thinking straight. We end up mired in the past rather than securing a firm future for tradition in the here and now.

shane said...

Anonymous, failing to report an abuse allegation is not cover-up, it is negligence. It is also a reflection of days when paedophilia was viewed more as a moral failing than a crime. It was against the law, but disseminating contraceptives, and engaging in male homosexual practices were on the statue books up until quite recently. The soliciting of abortion is still illegal, but the DPP never prosecute it.

The Catholic Church in Ireland was not a monolithic institution in 1950s Ireland. It was, however, paternalistic, doctrinaire and revered - which was precisely what people wanted. It was as much a reflection of society as a 'ruler' of it.

Anonymous said...

Shane, the reverence in which the hierarchical Catholic Church in Ireland was held was, unfortunately, one of the major problems that amplified these crimes. Policemen, who should have been singleminded in their protection of children from crime allowed themselves - no doubt out of reverence for the Church - to be dissuaded from pursuing justice for the abused when clergy were allegedly involved. It's in the report, and makes horrible reading. Abuse of minors was always against the law - canon law and civil law. No matter how historically understandable the policy of negligence or cover up was (and one does not exclude the other) the Catholic Church in Dublin, by sheltering offenders for so long without prosecution, has caused scandal. It has now become commonplace to equate God's priesthood with sexual perversion. The opponents of the Church have an easy catcall against us. Evangelisation of non-believers and the lapsed has in the short and, perhaps, the medium term becomes much more difficult. The ultimate victory is assured of course, but nonetheless, these crimes cried out for justice and the Dublin Diocese protected the criminals.

shane said...

Anonymous, I quite agree.

Anonymous said...

Sad beyond words.

The shepherds have destroyed the faith of so many of the little sheep entrusted to them.

Anonymous said...

Jordanes,
Yes I do agree with you regarding a quickening malaise in the post-conciliar era regarding pedophiles/pedarast priests-Archbishop Martin who have to commend in his handling of the matter, said as much.Commentators on the radio even made mention of Pope St Pius V extremely severe methods when dealing with a matter of this kind and also the states' retribution which was thoroughly gruesome.However the seeds for the coverup mentality of the Church as a whole date in canon law to the 1920s where victims who made allegations against clergy were sworn to silence. I don't know the particulars of this canon but I am told it exists. I suppose its also good to recall that the preocupation the Irish Church had with religious vocation coupled with the poverty so widespread in Ireland at the time gave an unnatural and bloated appearance to the Churchs' success in obtaining vocations. This is part of the problem which has contributed the present day problem of child sex abuse by clergy. Also, the Murphy report is distinct from what went on in Industrial schools- we are dealing mainly in the report with clergy operating the Archdiocese, secular or otherwise. I just can't believe the Churchs' attitude. Anyone who has suffered or has someone close to them who suffered from child abuse by a cleric or not (which I do) will agree the Churchs' behaviour was and to a large extent is both mystifying and callous. In answer to another poster...Yes, I believe there are other cases in America of abuse claims within the SSPX. It would be unnatural if it were not so since the Church of Rome has been so stricken by it. To the other posters claiming conspiracies, don't bother, Satan is at the heart of all misery and at all times in Church history -o need to look for conspiracies.

Jordanes said...

However the seeds for the coverup mentality of the Church as a whole date in canon law to the 1920s where victims who made allegations against clergy were sworn to silence.

The law imposing silence applies only to the facts and details of a canonical investigation and trial before a church tribunal. There was never any canon law forbidding a victim from going to the secular authorities and speaking publicly about a civil investigation and trial. The culture in the Church, however, strongly discouraging going to the police, and strongly discouraged the police from doing anything about accusations they received, and strongly encouraged victims to remain silent.

Anonymous said...

The notion that homosexuality in the Catholic clergy began with Vatican II is patently absurd. An earlier poster referenced St. Peter Damian's Liber Gomorrhianus, so I won't repeat those quotations.
The psychogenesis of sexual perversions is not caused by any particular liturgy.

Anonymous said...

"The psychogenesis of sexual perversions is not caused by any particular liturgy."

As if liturgy was the main problem of Vaticanum II.

To people who don't believe in conspiracies I can only say that when they fail to perceive something it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist.

Anonymous said...

This slur on V2 and Novus Ordo is an utter disgrace and also a serious sin. This normally decent blog has really let it's self down with such rubbish

New Catholic said...

I second that. It's disgraceful!

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NC

LeonG said...

While it is certainly valid to claim there were instances of sexual abuse and fornicating clerics prior to the 1960s these are insignificant by volume when we study the parallel statistical outcome post-1970. The current exponential increase in sexual perversion and financial improprieties by neocatholic presbyters, so-called religious and their superiors is the equivalent of an uncontrollable pandemic. Even more shocking is the fact that The Vatican has absolutely no capacity at all for dealing with it in a conclusive manner because the neomodernist spirit of moral relativism and cultural pluralism has compromised once highly respected Roman Catholic principles and sound ecclesiastical governance.

Therefore, it has to be stated unequivocally that the overriding problem for the world today is the current lamentable condition of the church itself.

Peter said...

Cats have 4 legs, dogs have four legs, therefore this cat is a dog.

I think that one must look a little deeper than which form of Mass was celebrated to get to an understanding of how these heinous miscarriages of justice occurred.

Such fuddled argument does little to address either issue.

The Knitter said...

The Ryan Report deals with child abuse by members of the Religious Orders and the cover-up of that abuse by their superiors. Most of the living witnesses to the Child Abuse Commission date their abuses between 1945 and 1970. Unless I'm mistaken that quarter of a century covers the McQuaid era! So it can be accurately said that McQuaid's era covers the time that innocent Irish children were physically maltreated, starved, enslaved, raped, denigrated, demeaned and abandoned by the Church. Let that be his epitaph.