Rorate Caeli

Maria, Virgo perpetua, templum Domini: ora pro nobis


Benedicta es cælorum Regina
Et mundi totius Domina,
Et ægris medicina;
Tu præclara Maris Stella vocaris,
Quæ Solem Iustitiæ paris,
A quo illuminaris.

Te Deus Pater,
Ut Dei Mater
Fieres, et ipse frater
Cuius eras filia,
Sanctificavit,
Sanctam servavit,
Et mittens sic salutavit:
"Ave, plena gratia."

Per illud Ave prolatum
Et tuum responsum datum
Est ex te Verbum incarnatum
Quo salvantur omnia.

Nunc Mater, exora natum,
Ut nostrum tollat reatum
Et regnum det nobis paratum
In cælesti patria.

Amen.
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11 comments:

lexetlibertas said...

Is there any historical evidence, whatsoever, that the Jews had a practice of dedicating their DAUGHTERS at the Jewish Temple, or that the Jewish Temple acted like medieval convents, where Jewish parents would drop off their "dedicated" daughters to be reared in the things of God?

I can appreciate this feast as a manifestation, in pious myth, of the Church's conviction vis-a-vis Mary's special consecration by God to be Mother of His Son, but how literally are we to take the accounts of the apocryphal Gospels in this regard?

San Isidoro said...

Amen!

Jay said...

"I can appreciate this feast as a manifestation, in pious myth, of the Church's conviction vis-a-vis Mary's special consecration by God to be Mother of His Son, but how literally are we to take the accounts of the apocryphal Gospels in this regard?"

Disgusting comment from 'Sola Scriptura' fanatic, the Feast was celebrated by Eastern Churches for several centuries before Pope Gregory XI in 1372 gave permission for celebration of this Feast in the Roman court in Avignon, and as Dom Gueranger writes in his 'Liturgical Year': 'Mary in return broke the chains of captivity that had bound had bound the Papacy for seventy years; and soon the successor of ST Peter returned to Rome.'

Rick DeLano said...

lexetlibertas:

If you require Jewish historical sources to confirm you in your Catholic beliefs, then you will encounter many difficulties, I expect.

I take the other side of the proposition:

Is there any historical evidence, whatsoever, that the Jews refused to allow Mary to enter the districts of the Temple, or that no DAUGHTER could ever have been admitted there?

I would, for fun and edification, be delighted to examine it.

Please post whatever you have.

If you don;t have any, then we are left with the overwhelming historical evidence of the Tradition of the Church East and West, that this Holy Daughter WAS in fact set apart and reared in the Temple districts.

It is not at all difficult for me to decide which side of this question I shall defend.

Tally-ho!

Anonymous said...

"the Feast was celebrated by Eastern Churches for several centuries before Pope Gregory XI in 1372 gave permission for celebration of this Feast"

The notion that Eastern = ancient & authentic is false, even though I think you're right in this case.

Jordanes said...

Calm down and mind your manners, Jay. Just answer lexetlibertas' question, and avoid hurling overheated accusations of heresy against someone who has given no sign of fanatical adherence to "Sola Scriptura." Indeed, he asked for "any historical evidence," not "Scriptural evidence."

Jordanes said...

lexetlibertas, I'm not aware of any direct historical evidence of Jews dedicating their daughters for service at the Temple. There are, however, indications in the Old Testament of some sort of practice like that. Judges 21:17-23 refers to "the virgins of Shiloh" who were carried off and married by the surviving men of the Tribe of Benjamin. Shiloh was then the location of the Ark of the Covenant, where the High Priest and other priests offered their incense and sacrifices and libations. These virgins would dance for the annual holy festivals at Shiloh, and it appears they were dedicated to such regular service at the Tabernacle for a period of time, and that said service ended when it was time for the girls to marry.

I Kings (Samuel) 2:22 also mentions women who served at the entrance of the Tabernacle at Shiloh, and that the sons of Eli the High Priest were seducing and defiling these women, a grievous sin that God punished by allowing Eli's sons to be slain in battle with the Philistines.

Granted, these Scriptural notices do not explicitly mention the kind of customs described in the apocryphal gospels of Our Lady's childhood and adolescence, but they are commensurate with it and help to show that there is no historical grounds for doubting the tradition of the Blessed Virgin's presentation in the Temple. Those gospels are, of course, apocryphal, and contain things that we know are not true, but that doesn't mean everything in them is false.

bedwere said...

I read somewhere: it might not be a fact, but it is true.

Jay said...

"Calm down and mind your manners, Jay. Just answer lexetlibertas' question, and avoid hurling overheated accusations of heresy against someone who has given no sign of fanatical adherence to "Sola Scriptura." Indeed, he asked for "any historical evidence," not "Scriptural evidence.""

Dear Jordanes, this is not the matter of manners b ut devotion and Tradition. Saying that I do not have to check in the Holy Scriptures if it is OK for me to say my Rosary. In my opinion, lexetlibertas is not a Catholic but Protestant who is trying to proselytize, his words 'pius myth' deeply offended me, as I have deep devotion to the Mother of God. Best wishes.

Jordanes said...

Dear Jordanes, this is not the matter of manners b ut devotion and Tradition.

Defense of Tradition doesn't require anger and groundless accusations.

In my opinion, lexetlibertas is not a Catholic but Protestant who is trying to proselytize

That's not a matter that is left up to opinion. He either is or isn't a Catholic, he either is or isn't a Protestant.

He's not a Protestant. He's a Catholic who seems a little confused and uncertain about things.

Jay said...

"That's not a matter that is left up to opinion. He either is or isn't a Catholic, he either is or isn't a Protestant."

Exactly, this young man expressed opinion worthy of Protestant not a Catholic and that is why I took him for one. He could expressed his opinion about 'pious myth' which offended me therefore I could expressed mine, which I hope and pray may help him.