Rorate Cæli continues to follow with interest the doings of Bishop Marc Aillet of the diocese of Bayonne in France. Pray that His Excellency is the prototype for French bishops who will restore the “eldest daughter of the Church” to her former glory.Bordeaux: A bishop among the "trads"
BORDEAUX (Novopress): Mgr. Aillet, Bishop of the diocese of Bayonne, was in Bordeaux this weekend. He celebrated ordinations in the church of Saint-Eloi, personal parish of the Institute of the Good Shepherd. This visit constitutes a first for the former parish of Father Philip Laguérie, superior of the Institute and erstwhile pastor of St. Nicolas du Chardonnet in Paris while he was a member of the Society of Saint Pius X.
For the first time a sitting French bishop came to Saint-Eloi to celebrate Mass in the extraordinary form (in Latin with back to the people) and took the opportunity to meet members of the Institute which was erected as a "society of apostolic life" by the Vatican in 2006. The visit by Bishop Aillet, known for his strong positions on family values, is the first step of the dialogue that is developing between him and the Institute of the Good Shepherd.
Indeed, Bishop Aillet wishes to increase the number of Tridentine Masses in his diocese - he has even established a Latin Mass in Bayonne every Sunday - and he is relying on the establishment of religious communities dedicated to the Latin Mass to achieve this end. Will the Institute of the Good Shepherd benefit from this project by obtaining a parish on the Basque coast? The process seems to be under way.
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Kudos to the good Bishop, but the title of your post I would give to His Grace Archbishop Burke.
God bless this good shepherd; Our Lady, intercede for him. May he do God's work amongst ALL the members of Christ's flock.
Is Father Navas on the left of his excellency?
JS
Thank you, Bishop Aillet!
...to celebrate Mass in the extraordinary form (in Latin with back to the people)
LOL.
Institute which was erected as a "society of apostolic life" by the Vatican in 2006.
Actually in 2008.
Wasn't the former Bishop of Bordeaux the now Cardinal Ricard? Cardinal Ricard is also a fan of the Old Mass and a good friend of the ICKSP...Must be the weather in Bordeaux, clears the head from Modernism...
Wonderful. I pray that the Lord will increase his kind of Bishop. A bishop who will defend the faith and Christian Values. A Bishop who will value the Mass and the celebration of the sacred mysteries.
Good news for the Church, and also for the IBP!
I have been rooting for the IBP since its inception!
We do not want "fans" of the "old Mass". In the first place it is not some genre of sport. We need priests, bishops and cardinals to understand finally that it is the only liturgy that will restore all things in Christ in the Roman Rite Church. The NO has done nothing but damage to the unity and stability of the faith. It has brought division, gravely reduced Sunday attendances and utter chaos to liturgical life of the church. Cardinal Ricard has watched over the same process in Bordeaux during his tenure. However, he appears to have found that in his dislike of SSPX they were able to manage churches with greater congregations than his at Bordeaux and that the Pope himself has demonstrated a true sense of Roman Catholic justice with both The Latin Mass of All Times and the Confraternity, as well as giving others such as Fr Laguerie the opportunity to follow their consciences and to realise the completeness of their priestly vocations.
It is total commitment to The Sacred Latin liturgy & all its supporting infallible doctrines that we need in The Church today. The Church in France has gone nowhere rapidly without it.
Let us hope that soon the Pope will celebrate the traditional Mass. It would be the final major turning point.
Traditionalists only frustrate themselves with their obsessive chatter as to "when will the Pope celebrate the TLM? When will he restore the TLM? When will he eliminate the Novus Ordo?" Etc...
The Pope has made it CLEAR that concrete...CONCRETE...reality dictates that the Novus Ordo is here to stay and that at best, the TLM will be limited to the attachment of relatively few Catholics.
The Pope declared the following (can you people understand reality?...note his use of the word "CONCRETE"):
"The use of the old Missal presupposes a certain degree of liturgical formation and some knowledge of the Latin language; neither of these is found very often.
"Already from these concrete presuppositions, it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, not only on account of the juridical norms, but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful."
The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay.
The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay.
Until, that is, such time that those "concrete presuppositions" are no longer so concrete.
The reformed Mass is certainly never going to be suppressed by any crushing papal fiat -- such would be a pastoral disaster. Well, if we get another pope like Paul VI, it's possible he might commit a destructive a blunder as Paul VI did. That said, if at some point in the future the Pauline Mass loses support or popularity, it is conceivable that it could be marginalised, or gradually be eliminated through the death of a thousand modifications.
"The use of the old Missal presupposes a certain degree of liturgical formation and some knowledge of the Latin language; neither of these is found very often."
"Already from these concrete presuppositions, it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, not only on account of the juridical norms, but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful."
It seems obvious that a person can learn enough Latin to understand what is happening and what is being said in the TLM. The very fact that many Traditional Latin Mass centers are being populated with young people who, with the assistance of Latin-English missals, are participating fully and understanding well the liturgical manners of expression, decries any such conclusion. As for a lack of a certain degree of liturgical formation, whose fault is that? Might I suggest that it is the fault of the ecclesiastics themselves. When was the last time you ever heard a NO cleric describe the TLM, its language and component parts, its purpose and its fruits. Might I say: Never!
Of course, if the hierarchy continues to downplay and obrogate the TLM in their dioceses, then the conclusion can be considered valid. If groups such as the SSPX and many independents are continued to be classified as not in "full communion" then the conclusion will hold. If faculties are continued to be withheld, then the conclusion will hold. If the TLM centers are minimalized, then the conclusion will hold. You see, my dear friends and colleagues, the modernists are "in charge" and they hate the Traditional Latin Mass which has been described by Fr. Faber as the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven. Shame on them!
JS, yes that is Father Rafael Navas (IBP's superior for Latinamerica) on the left of his excellency.
"That said, if at some point in the future the Pauline Mass loses support or popularity, it is conceivable that it could be marginalised, or gradually be eliminated through the death of a thousand modifications."
The Pauline Mass lost it's support and popularity decades ago, at least among laymen.
That's why 80 to 85 percent (even greater in numerous places) of Catholics refuse each week to assist at Sunday Mass.
Even of we consider only Europe, the Church is all but dead there.
Therefore, why does Rome continue to promote a Mass that enjoys virtually zero interest among European Catholics?
Europe is the place to demote the Novus Ordo by simply pushing the TLM to the hilt. But Rome won't even do that.
The Novus Ordo enjoys support and popularity only among the Pope and the clergy.
The majority of lay Catholics are bored of the Novus Ordo.
Mr. Haley,
I basically agree and this became apparent for me when Bishop Henry cancelled the Latin Mass in Calgary, Alberta. Shame on him.
At the same time I was encouraged with the local FSSPX. At their recent confirmations it seemed like there must have been close to a hundred children and adults confirmed. The small church was packed to overflowing and many FSSP supporters were present.
I have since stayed with the FSSPX, absolutely no regrets. This is the best way I know of making a difference in the diocese, in the Catholic Church. I pray more people would do the same.
"The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay."
Man with no name:
The Novus Ordo is already dying.
The Novus Ordo is already dying.
The Novus Ordo is already dying.
My NAME in Dan Hunter.
What is yours?
My NAME.....is Dan Hunter.
My NAME is Dan Hunter
But don't they both produce the same Miracle?
Is Our Lord holier after the Extraordinary Form Canon?
"But don't they both produce the same Miracle?
Is Our Lord holier after the Extraordinary Form Canon?"
No name:
Yes, if the correct matter and form is used in both rites then transubstantiation takes place.
This is not what is being addressed here.
The Gregorian Rite of Mass is extrinsically superior to the Ordo Missae,
not intrinsically superior and those elements of an extrinsic nature that are inferior and weaker most generally die and slough off the body.
Truth to tell, whether Our Lord is holier after the Extraordinary Form Canon is not a question one should ask frivolously for fear of blaspheming. But anyway it is beside the point.
There is overwhelming anecdotal evidence that large numbers of those who take part in certain celebrations of the Ordinary Form - and that includes the celebrants
themselves - certainly behave as though Our Lord is not even holy, whether before or after the Canon, it makes no difference.
It is patently obvious where Pope Benedict XVI stands and that is with a reform of the proverbial reform not the Holy Latin Mass. This is why he will not say it in public nor will he abolish it.
However, long term, the NO has extinction written all over it.
".....correct matter and form is used in both rites then transubstantiation takes place...."
And intention - which is where the NO & many of its presbyters often have an Achilles heel.
There is overwhelming anecdotal evidence that large numbers of those who take part in certain celebrations of the Ordinary Form - and that includes the celebrants themselves - certainly behave as though Our Lord is not even holy, whether before or after the Canon, it makes no difference.
--I would argue that some of them behave as though Our Lord is not even present.
Excellent Bishop who understands the Holy Father and his intentions..I wonder how many souls he saved and will save. Such a good example of how to restore respect for Bishops that went out the window with so many other thins when it was "flung open" circa 1965.
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