Rorate Caeli

The prophetic mission of Fatima is not complete

Dearly beloved brothers and sisters, I too have come as a pilgrim to Fatima, to this “home” from which Mary chose to speak to us in modern times. I have come to Fatima to rejoice in Mary’s presence and maternal protection. I have come to Fatima, because today the pilgrim Church, willed by her Son as the instrument of evangelization and the sacrament of salvation, converges upon this place. I have come to Fatima to pray, in union with Mary and so many pilgrims, for our human family, afflicted as it is by various ills and sufferings. Finally, I have come to Fatima with the same sentiments as those of Blessed Francisco and Jacinta, and the Servant of God Lúcia, in order to entrust to Our Lady the intimate confession that “I love” Jesus, that the Church and priests “love” him and desire to keep their gaze fixed upon him as this Year for Priests comes to its end, and in order to entrust to Mary’s maternal protection priests, consecrated men and women, missionaries and all those who by their good works make the House of God a place of welcome and charitable outreach.

These are the “people whom the Lord has blessed”. The people whom the Lord has blessed are you, the beloved Diocese of Leiria-Fatima, with your pastor, Bishop Antonio Marto. I thank him for his words of greeting at the beginning of Mass, and for the gracious hospitality shown particularly by his collaborators at this Shrine. I greet the President of the Republic and the other authorities who serve this glorious Nation. I spiritually embrace all the Dioceses of Portugal, represented here by their Bishops, and I entrust to Heaven all the nations and peoples of the earth. In God I embrace all their sons and daughters, particularly the afflicted or outcast, with the desire of bringing them that great hope which burns in my own heart, and which here, in Fatima, can be palpably felt. May our great hope sink roots in the lives of each of you, dear pilgrims, and of all those who join us through the communications media.

Yes! The Lord, our great hope, is with us. In his merciful love, he offers a future to his people: a future of communion with himself. After experiencing the mercy and consolation of God who did not forsake them along their wearisome return from the Babylonian Exile, the people of God cried out: “I greatly rejoice in the Lord, my whole being exults in my God” (Is 61:10). The resplendent daughter of this people is the Virgin Mary of Nazareth who, clothed with grace and sweetly marvelling at God’s presence in her womb, made this joy and hope her own in the canticle of the Magnificat: “My spirit rejoices in God my Saviour”. She did not view herself as a fortunate individual in the midst of a barren people, but prophecied for them the sweet joys of a wondrous maternity of God, for “his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation” (Lk 1:47, 50).

This holy place is the proof of it. In seven years you will return here to celebrate the centenary of the first visit made by the Lady “come from heaven”, the Teacher who introduced the little seers to a deep knowledge of the Love of the Blessed Trinity and led them to savour God himself as the most beautiful reality of human existence. This experience of grace made them fall in love with God in Jesus, so much so that Jacinta could cry out: “How much I delight in telling Jesus that I love him! When I tell him this often, I feel as if I have a fire in my breast, yet it does not burn me”. And Francisco could say: “What I liked most of all was seeing Our Lord in that light which Our Mother put into our hearts. I love God so much!” (Memoirs of Sister Lúcia, I, 42 and 126).

Brothers and sisters, in listening to these innocent and profound mystical confidences of the shepherd children, one might look at them with a touch of envy for what they were able to see, or with the disappointed resignation of someone who was not so fortunate, yet still demands to see. To such persons, the Pope says, as does Jesus: “Is not this the reason you are wrong, that you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?” (Mk 12:24). The Scriptures invite us to believe: “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe” (Jn 20:29), but God, who is more deeply present to me than I am to myself (cf. Saint Augustine, Confessions, III, 6, 11) – has the power to come to us, particularly through our inner senses, so that the soul can receive the gentle touch of a reality which is beyond the senses and which enables us to reach what is not accessible or visible to the senses. For this to happen, we must cultivate an interior watchfulness of the heart which, for most of the time, we do not possess on account of the powerful pressure exerted by outside realities and the images and concerns which fill our soul (cf. Theological Commentary on The Message of Fatima, 2000). Yes! God can come to us, and show himself to the eyes of our heart.

Moreover, that Light deep within the shepherd children, which comes from the future of God, is the same Light which was manifested in the fullness of time and came for us all: the Son of God made man. He has the power to inflame the coldest and saddest of hearts, as we see in the case of the disciples on the way to Emmaus (cf. Lk 24:32). Henceforth our hope has a real foundation, it is based on an event which belongs to history and at the same time transcends history: Jesus of Nazareth. The enthusiasm roused by his wisdom and his saving power among the people of that time was such that a woman in the midst of the crowd – as we heard in the Gospel – cried out: “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that nursed you!”. And Jesus said: “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it!” (Lk 11:27-28). But who finds time to hear God’s word and to let themselves be attracted by his love? Who keeps watch, in the night of doubt and uncertainty, with a heart vigilant in prayer? Who awaits the dawn of the new day, fanning the flame of faith? Faith in God opens before us the horizon of a sure hope, one which does not disappoint; it indicates a solid foundation on which to base one’s life without fear; it demands a faith-filled surrender into the hands of the Love which sustains the world.
“Their descendants shall be known among the nations, […] they are a people whom the Lord has blessed” (Is 61:9) with an unshakable hope which bears fruit in a love which sacrifices for others, yet does not sacrifice others. Rather, as we heard in the second reading, this love “bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things” (1 Cor 13:7). An example and encouragement is to be found in the shepherd children, who offered their whole lives to God and shared them fully with others for love of God. Our Lady helped them to open their hearts to universal love. Blessed Jacinta, in particular, proved tireless in sharing with the needy and in making sacrifices for the conversion of sinners. Only with this fraternal and generous love will we succeed in building the civilization of love and peace.

We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete. Here there takes on new life the plan of God which asks humanity from the beginning: “Where is your brother Abel […] Your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground!” (Gen 4:9). Mankind has succeeded in unleashing a cycle of death and terror, but failed in bringing it to an end… In sacred Scripture we often find that God seeks righteous men and women in order to save the city of man and he does the same here, in Fatima, when Our Lady asks: “Do you want to offer yourselves to God, to endure all the sufferings which he will send you, in an act of reparation for the sins by which he is offended and of supplication for the conversion of sinners?” (Memoirs of Sister Lúcia, I, 162).

At a time when the human family was ready to sacrifice all that was most sacred on the altar of the petty and selfish interests of nations, races, ideologies, groups and individuals, our Blessed Mother came from heaven, offering to implant in the hearts of all those who trust in her the Love of God burning in her own heart. At that time it was only to three children, yet the example of their lives spread and multiplied, especially as a result of the travels of the Pilgrim Virgin, in countless groups throughout the world dedicated to the cause of fraternal solidarity. May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfilment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.
Benedict XVI
Homily
Fatima, May 13, 2010

61 comments:

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

The prophetic mission can only be completed by the Consecration of Russia by the Pope in union with the Bishops of the world. It is in the Pope's hands.

Pascendi said...

Wonderful news! The Pope has spoken the sad but great truth that the Immaculate Heart has not yet triumphed...

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One also sees this lack of the fulfillment of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart in a small, yet poignant way even in today's Mass.

For example, who allowed girl "altar boys" at today's Mass? If the Roman Liturgists did, then the attempt to move the New Mass towards Tradition is either off the rails, or a fraud.

If it stems from the Shrine authorities/bishops conference, then at the least the guilty parties should be removed from ecclesiastical duties. This liturgical fabrication (indeed abomination) is a great insult to the Mother of God and the Catholic sense of the hundreds of thousands of laity who attended (not to mention the millions watching via television etc.).

Yet, this is another triumph of the Immaculate Heart. For here, on this day, She was able to again manifest before millions the struggle within the Church between the Catholic Faith and the satanic modernist virus. She showed today that the Holy Father's words spoken just the other day on the evil being within the Church is indeed true.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for the Pope.

Anonymous said...

Pascendi,

There where girls atar servers at the Shrine for the Holy Fathers Mass???!!!
This was actually permitted?

What is this?

D.P.H.

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

"Wonderful news! The Pope has spoken the sad but great truth that the Immaculate Heart has not yet triumphed..."

Yes, but the excuse can still be made by many that the Consecration is done and we are just awaiting Russia's conversion and Our Lady's Triumph.

Jordanes said...

It's possible.

Anonymous said...

"It's possible."

Only if the Consecration of Russia was done in secret with the Holy Father and all the worlds bishops on one specific day.
If so, then yes, it's possible.
D.P.H.

Anonymous said...

Why doesnt he plainly say if the Third Secret had two parts and if they have done the consecration of Russia? Didnt JESUS say let your YES be YES , your NO be NO. We need straight forward answers from the Holy Father.

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

"It's possible."

Sure it is. And it is also possible that the surface of the moon is made out of swiss cheese.

Kellen said...

I have a question I'd really like an answer to:

Is it possible that by "all the bishops in the world" it is being interpreted by recent Popes as including Orthodox bishops? IIRC, they are considered to be of valid apostolic succession.

This possibility might explain the accelerated ecumenical efforts with the Orthodox, as well as providing a reason that the Pope might put off a 100% proper consecration, since (by this interpretation) it would be impossible to do so with "all the bishops" unless the Orthodox bishops were on board.

M. A. said...

Our Holy Father still doesn't seem to understand Fatima.

Our Lady:
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My IMMACULATE HEART.”


“Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often to Jesus, especially whenever you make a sacrifice: ‘O Jesus, it is for love of Thee, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the IMMACULATE HEART of Mary.’”

The Child Jesus:
"Have compassion on the HEART of your Most Holy Mother, covered with thorns, with which ungrateful men pierce It at every moment, and there is no one to make an act of REPARATION [to the IMMACULATE HEART]to remove them."


Our Lord:

"Nevertheless the IMMACULATE HEART of Mary will save Russia. It has been entrusted to Her."


Blessed Jacinta: "Tell everybody that God grants us graces through the IMMACULATE HEART of Mary; that people are to ask Her for them; and that the Heart of Jesus wants the IMMACULATE HEART of Mary to be venerated at His side."

"Oh that I could put into the heart of everybody the flame that I feel burning within my breast and which makes me love so much the Heart of Jesus AND the HEART of MARY."

John McFarland said...

His Holiness says:

"After experiencing the mercy and consolation of God who did not forsake them along their wearisome return from the Babylonian Exile, the people of God cried out: “I greatly rejoice in the Lord, my whole being exults in my God” (Is 61:10)."

So this passage was not provided by Isaiah, a pre-exilic prophet, through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. Rather, it comes from "the people of God" after "experiencing" the mercy and consolation of God. There is no reference to an inspired writer -- indeed, there is no reference to inspiration at all.

Kathleen said...

PBXVI: May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfilment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.

Deo Gratias!

He could not be clearer - the prophecy of Fatima has not reached its conclusion.

The wolves will be furious.

We owe thanksgiving to God and we need to keep in mind our Holy Father's plea that we "pray for [him] that [he] may not flee for fear of the wolves."

V. Let us pray for our Pontiff, Pope Benedict.
R. The Lord preserve him, and give him life, and make him to be blessed upon the earth, and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies (Roman Breviary).

Our Father. Hail Mary.

(From the old Raccolta: A plenary indulgence on the usual conditions, when this prayer has been devoutly said every day for a month (S.C. Ind., Nov. 26, 1876; S. P. Ap., Oct 12, 1931).

Let us pray.

Almighty and everlasting God, have mercy upon Thy servant, Benedict, our Supreme Pontiff, and direct him, according to Thy loving-kindness, in the way of eternal salvation; that, of thy gift, he may ever desire that which is pleasing unto thee and may accomplish it with all his might. Through Christ Our Lord. Amen (Roman Ritual).

(From the old Raccolta: An indulgence of three years, a plenary indulgence once a month on the usual conditions, for the daily devout recitation of this prayer. S. P. Ap., March 10, 1935).

Anonymous said...

"Is it possible that by "all the bishops in the world" it is being interpreted by recent Popes as including Orthodox bishops?"

Why only Orthodox? What about Old Catholic bishops? And the sedevacantists? And the flock of bishops from the Palmar de Troya cult? Where are the limits of modern ecclesiology?

No valid consecration without bishop Sanborn and anti-pope Peter II! That's a good one.

wheat4paradise said...

Take up your cross and suffer with Jesus. This is what the Holy Father wants his children to hear and take to heart. Some folks are so obsessed with ONE aspect of the Message of Fatima that they cannot see what is ESSENTIAL. Instead of barking at the the Pope and nipping at his heels, why not just be quiet and put his teaching into practice?

Anonymous said...

"Some folks are so obsessed with ONE aspect of the Message of Fatima that they cannot see what is ESSENTIAL."

David,
God bless you sweet man.
The whole message of Fatima is essential and to ask and pray for the Holy Father to Consecrate Russia, IS PART of that message.
The rest of the message is up to us individual Catholics to take care of such as the Five First Saturdays and Penance,
but
we cannot Consecrate Russia per Our Ladys [Gods] wishes. Only the Holy Father and the bishops can do so.
For the "sensus fidei" to ask for the Consecration of Russia is not an obsession, but rather Charity.

God bless
Dan

wheat4paradise said...

Our Holy Father still doesn't seem to understand Fatima.

Begin eye-roll sequence ...

wheat4paradise said...

Dan, by all means pray for the Holy Father to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. Better, pray that he receives the grace to do what is right, even if that doesn't quite line up with our expectations.

Anonymous said...

Alas,

another anniversary, the 93rd this year, passes along with 20 million Rosaries and still not even an acknowledgment from Peter's legitimate successor that the Collegial Consecration of Russia must take place in order to fulfill the prophetic mission of Russia.

But courage, I say to myself and all of you faithful, I fully agree with Kathleen that the Holy Father has alluded in a *most unmistakable way* that Fatima was not fulfilled in 1981 when his predecessor was shot non-fatally.

This one final and, while subtle, very telling remark contradicts the "opinion" that his previous ego, Cardinal Ratzinger, posited in the Y2K (2000) document that these events were fulfilled in the past.

He is clearly stating they are NOT fulfilled. He is praying that they will be fulfilled within the next 7 years. That he would make such a statement 7 years in advance of the centenary also alludes that he is keenly aware of what is at stake in that prophecy: no less than the lives of the Pope, the bishops and the faithful who will suffer the fate of the King of France once that 100 year mark is passed.

And so for this, I am thankful. If it took 20 million Rosaries to exact that from the Holy Father, then let us pray another 100 million to exact the actual clarion call from him to his bishops across the world. [And no, these bishops would NOT include heretics and schismatics, even if they can trace their consecration back to the Apostles].

OUr Lady of Fatima, quicken us to pray many more rosaries for the consecration and please blessed Mother grant it soon to us as a sign of Your Motherly love to us.

Sincerely, MKT

Jordanes said...

Only if the Consecration of Russia was done in secret with the Holy Father and all the worlds bishops on one specific day.

Or if the consecration of all the nations of the world with all the world's Catholic bishops was done in public in 1984. . . .

What are you guys going to do if in your lifetimes no purported additional Fatima secret ever sees the light of day, and the Pope and the bishops never do another consecration along the lines of what you desire? If it turns out that the Church has been lying all along about the third secret, and Sister Lucia was wrong about the 1984 consecration, well and good -- it will be a blessing finally to have the remainder of the Fatima revelations, and certainly there could be no harm to have another consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. But what if there really is no further Fatima secret, and what if God was pleased that not just Russia but all nations were consecrated to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart?

Our Holy Father still doesn't seem to understand Fatima, M.A. says, laughably claiming that the Pope who yesterday consecrated our priests to the Immaculate Heart of Mary does not understand that devotion to and consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is central to Fatima . . .

That he would make such a statement 7 years in advance of the centenary also alludes that he is keenly aware of what is at stake in that prophecy: no less than the lives of the Pope, the bishops and the faithful who will suffer the fate of the King of France once that 100 year mark is passed.

What is your basis for that claim?

Anonymous said...

Jordanes,

What about the 1942 Consecration of the world by Pope Pius XII, and then the 1952 Consecration of Russia (by name) by Pope Pius XII. Pius XII not only did what John Paul II did (Consecrated the world), but he also consecrated Russia by name.

Why would John Paul II's non-consecration-of-Russia suffice, and not the actual Consecration of Russia (by name) by Pope Pius XII?

Anonymous said...

The consecration of Russia by the Pope and all the Bishops will be done when enough people are living the Fatima message.

Anonymous said...

Continue rolling eyes, and laughing. I post facts in support of what I say.

I offer up your ridicule in reparation to the Immaculate Hear of our Lady. Want to give me more bouquets to present to our Lady? :-) The souls I am helping to save may very well be someone you know. You'll thank me in heaven, I'm sure.

Jordanes said...

So this passage was not provided by Isaiah, a pre-exilic prophet,

He didn't say that, but that probably is his opinion. The "Deutero-Isaiah" speculation is, of course, nonsense.

through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

He certainly does not believe that.

Rather, it comes from "the people of God" after "experiencing" the mercy and consolation of God.

All of Scripture is divinely-inspired, and it is all given through and appropriated by God's People -- these things are not mutually exclusive.

There is no reference to an inspired writer -- indeed, there is no reference to inspiration at all.

In other words, he followed the common practice of scripture quotation. It's hardly surprising that a homily that isn't about the doctrine of the divine inspiration of Sacred Scripture wouldn't discuss the doctrine of the divine inspiration of Sacred Scripture.

Kathleen said...

Anon Poster: The consecration of Russia by the Pope and all the Bishops will be done when enough people are living the Fatima message.

Precisely.

This is a critical turning point -- we have backtracked and turned the corner and are no longer on the dead end street where Fatima was all about the attempt on JPII.

This is momumental.

No it isn't everything in a tidy package, but it is a major turning point, -- Thanks be to God who blesses us despite our ingratitude.

And the attacks on Holy Father are going to become much worse as a result.

ACS said...

There should be a new diagnosis declared in the DSM (Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)...Fatimatitis. Seriously, some of you here, and those on other forums, are on the verge of an obsession with Fatima, if not a mental disorder itself.

Anonymous said...

"The prophetic mission of Fatima is not complete." Yuh think?

Afonso Miguel said...

Today in Fátima:

"Freedom to Tradicional Mass in Portugal"

http://tribunaonline.blogs.sapo.pt/112694.html

John McFarland said...

Jordanes,

You accept the likelihood that the Pope is not sound on the understanding of Isaiah.

But then you talk of scripture's being both inspired and "given through and appropriated by God's people."

But the doctrine of the Church is that Isaiah composed the Book of Isaiah under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. It was not "given THROUGH ... God's people. It was given TO God's people by the Holy Ghost through Isaiah.

So one could readily say that God's people, after their return from exile, made Isaiah's inspired words their own. Appropriation is not a problem. The community as the recipient and/or channel of divine revelation is a problem. It is vintage modernism.

I have very little doubt that the Holy Father thinks of inspiration as coming through God's people. But if that is correct, it is even less sound than his apparent views on Isaiah.

John McFarland said...

ACS,

If you don't think that Fatima is important, then talk about "obsession" is understandable, if a trifle nasty.

If you think that Fatima is important, then treating it as such is not an obsession.

So unless you advise otherwise, the chief information provided by your post would seem to be that you don't think that Fatima is very important.

Anonymous said...

Dear Jordanes

Regarding your question what will happen if there is no more to divulge about Fatima.

The conclusion of the statement by Our Lady that "in Portugal the dogma of faith will always be held etc" has never been publicized.

This famous etc is proof positive that some of the message of Our Lady of Fatima has yet to be made public.

Your question about the 100 years and the reference to the fate of the King of France.Mentioned in approved versions of Sr Lucia dos Santos. The admonition was uttered by the Lord to Sr Lucia in a vision in 1925 in her convent in Tuys, France where He told her that he was waiting for the consecration of Russia to His Mother's immaculate heart and that should the Holy Father not hasten to perform it he would suffer the same fate as the King of France who similarly avoided compliance with a request to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart for 100 years from 1689 to 1789.

It is an interesting historical study to consider the decline of the Kingdom of France between 1689 and 1789 leading to the Revolution.

In any case, the famous "etc" continues to evade exposition as duly noted by Antonio Socci is his recent publication "the fourth secret".

In JMJ,

MKT

Jordanes said...

If you don't think that Fatima is important, then talk about "obsession" is understandable, if a trifle nasty. . . .

You're mistaken. Just because someone is concerned about people obsessing about a subject doesn't mean they don't think that subject is unimportant.

This famous etc is proof positive that some of the message of Our Lady of Fatima has yet to be made public.

No, it's not proof positive. It raises the possibility that there might be something else written down that is yet to be released, but it doesn't prove it. Another possibility is that Sister Lucia's memory was faulty, or that something else was written down and was accidentally or deliberately lost or thrown away.

Thanks for the explanation about the 100 years, though. It would seem, however, that so chronologically literal an interpretation is not necessarily required or even indicated.

Jordanes said...

You accept the likelihood that the Pope is not sound on the understanding of Isaiah.

His understanding of the authorship of the latter half of Isaiah might not be correct. I am reasonably sure he accepts the modern hypothesis that Isaiah was not the author of the latter half of the book ascribed to him, but I think that hypothesis is not correct. It might be reconcilable with the Catholic doctrine of biblical inspiration, but I'm skeptical of that.

But then you talk of scripture's being both inspired and "given through and appropriated by God's people." But the doctrine of the Church is that Isaiah composed the Book of Isaiah under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. It was not "given THROUGH ... God's people. It was given TO God's people by the Holy Ghost through Isaiah.

True, as far as that goes. Isaiah was a member of God's People, as were all the sacred authors (both those whose names we know and those whose name God alone knows). All Holy Scripture was given through God's People, speaking generally. Speaking specifically, however, individual books or tracts or chapters were written by specific individuals who wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Then, following that, God's People who received the Scripture from and through the inspired authors accepted and appropriated it.

The Pope probably views Isa. 61 as having been written after the Babylonian Exile rather than being a pre-exilic prophecy. However, in his homily he at least leaves aside such unhelpful if not corrosive scholarly speculations, at most only implying them, and instead focusing upon the meaning and application of the prophecy.

I have very little doubt that the Holy Father thinks of inspiration as coming through God's people.

I am aware of no evidence that he holds that incomplete view of biblical inspiration, though as far as it goes, it is true that the inspired and inerrant Scriptures were mediated to us through God's People Israel and the New Israel. There's a good deal more to it than that, however.

John McFarland said...

Jordanes,

(1) "Inspiration is given by the Holy Ghost to Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc." is not really equivalent to (2) "inspiration is given by the Holy Ghost to God's people."

(1) is really equivalent to
(3) "inspiration is given by the Holy Ghost to certain of God's people" -- that is, the hagiographers.

So I think that the question is whether the Holy Father believes that the inspiration of the Holy Ghost from which the scriptures come is given only to certain of God's people -- that is, the hagiographers -- and that the rest of God's people receive the scriptures from the hagiographers?

In considering this question, we should note that in the next sentence after the citation of Isaiah 61:6, the Holy Father immediately makes a futher similar remark with respect to the Magnificat: "The resplendent daughter of this people is the Virgin Mary of Nazareth who, clothed with grace and sweetly marvelling at God’s presence in her womb, made this joy and hope her own in the canticle of the Magnificat..."

Now the Magnificat is an inspired utterance if ever there was one. The Holy Father considers it a prophetic utterance; but as with the verse from Isaiah, there is no reference to inspiration. Rather, the Magnificat is effectively characterized as a act of Mary's --an act of making the joy and hope of God's people her own.

The Pope goes on to make further remarks that are as eloquent as anything he has ever written regarding the children of Fatima. But note that they all involve on the Pope's account some sort of direct relationship between God and man.

And they end up with a classic Vatican II-style anticlimax: "Only with this fraternal and generous love [like that of Blessed Jacinta] will we succeed in building the civilization of love and peace."

Note that in the Pope's address, things come from Heaven, but there is not talk of going to Heaven -- or not going to Heaven.

And at the end he says:

"At a time when the human family was ready to sacrifice all that was most sacred on the altar of the petty and selfish interests of nations, races, ideologies, groups and individuals, our Blessed Mother came from heaven, offering to implant in the hearts of all those who trust in her the Love of God burning in her own heart. At that time it was only to three children, yet the example of their lives spread and multiplied, especially as a result of the travels of the Pilgrim Virgin, in countless groups throughout the world dedicated to the cause of fraternal solidarity."

For the Pope, the bottom line of Fatima is: fraternal solidarity. In his eyes, the triumph of fraternal solidarity is the hoped-for triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

This may help us understand why that big ugly Masonic monstrosity that is now squatting in Fatima and masquerading as a church.

Jordanes said...

I think you're reading far more into the Holy Father's words than is supportable. It's always safer to believe that the Roman Pontiff is a Catholic, and that therefore his preaching is to be interpreted as Catholic utterances, in line with the perennial teaching of the Church.

Anonymous said...

Dear Jordanes

You stated "
No, it's not proof positive. It raises the possibility that there might be something else written down that is yet to be released, but it doesn't prove it. Another possibility is that Sister Lucia's memory was faulty, or that something else was written down and was accidentally or deliberately lost or thrown away."

The latter two possibilities may generically be possibilities but not at all in this particular case.

The same approved history of the apparitions that gave us the new pious devotions such as the Fatima prayer included at the end of each decade were the same ones that included the "In Portugal ... Etc" statement.

Popes Pius XI and Pius XII and others in the Vatican confirmed reading that text. Pope John XXIII stated in Feb 1960 that the text was read but was deemed by him not applicable to the current times and it was announced that he would not divulge its content to the public. Pope John Paul II referred to it frequently and Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of it in a 1984 interview.

The statement itself appears in the 2000 Vatican opinion issued by Cardinal Ratzinger, albeit only in a footnote.

So this etc cannot reasonably be consigned as a case of faulty memory. If it has been lost or thrown away enough senior Vatican officials including Cardinal Ratzinger have read and would have some recollection of it.

So the "etc" is a most ubiquitous and well established prequel to the final words of Our Lady of Fatima and they have yet to be revealed.

As such, I humbly posit once again that the statement of Our Lady that ends in Lucia's "etc" is proof positive that there is more that has to be revealed.

Sincerely in JMJ

MKT

John McFarland said...

Jordanes,

It is you who are reading in, not I. The Holy Father says that in the last analysis, it's all about fraternal solidarity; and so the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of which he speaks must be the triumph of fraternal solidarity. That's him talking, not me; and his words do not reflect in letter or spirit the words of the Good Shepherd. The Catholic faith is not about fraternal solidarity.

There is more than enough evidence that in the Pope's eyes, religion (from man's perspective, at any rate) is all about man. This evidence shows that God is the agent of fraternal solidarity: in the Church of V2, God is the factor that enables the Church to out-Mason Masonry, to preside over the process of mutual purification between the Church and the world, so that the Church does not sink into wicked and sterile fundamentalism, but plays its role together with unbelief in the accomplishment of integral human development.

So the burden is now on the Holy Father to demonstrate his orthodoxy. All the pious rhetoric in the world proves nothing if it all leads in the last paragraph to fraternal solidarity.

What you are reading into the Holy Father's words must be demonstrated, not assumed. You must show where it is that the Holy Father maintains that man exists for the glory of God.

Mar said...

To ACS,

Have you ever thought about the meaning of: "With zeal I burn for the Lord God of Hosts"? (which is the Carmelite motto by the way).

Yeah, lukewarm is s-o-o-o kewl!

NCTradCatholic said...

In his address at the Lisbon airport on Tuesday, he said, "(H)eaven itself was opened over Portugal ... in order to refashion, within the human family, the bonds of fraternal solidarity based on the mutual recognition of the one Father". Is THAT the message of Fatima? Is THAT a Catholic utterance??

It gets worse: "By separating Church and State, the Republican revolution which took place 100 years ago in Portugal, opened up a new area of freedom for the Church". It doesn't matter that that Masonic revolution launched a persecution of the Church. Persecution is fine, apparently, if done on the altar of separation of Church and state, the very principle condemned by Pope Saint Pius X.

How on Earth can a vicar of Christ utter such statements??

Anonymous said...

I find it shocking that so many people take Fatima seriously. Some posts here are indicative of a cult.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"I find it shocking that so many people take Fatima seriously. Some posts here are indicative of a cult."

14 May, 2010 09:09

Since you sound soooo post-conciliar, you might want to consider that it's the liturgical calendar of the New Rite which contains the insertion of the feast of Our Lady of Fatima. Once raised to the dignity of the altar, Catholics (and I presume you are one) have no choice but to take the event "seriously."

ACS said...

Mar,

To answer your question: No. I have never thought about that phrase.

But along your train of thought...

Being obsessive is soooo kewl (and psychotic).

I'm with anonymous 09:09. This obsession with Fatima is shocking and downright embarrassing.

LeonG said...

NCTradCatholic said...

I could not agree more with you. The last two occupants of the papacy have one very great gift in common with the manner in they can weave words together endlessly often pregnant with equivocation and ambivalence. This is a characteristic feature of post-conciliar liberalism.

Anonymous said...

NCTradCatholic said; "How on Earth can a vicar of Christ utter such statements?" Before he was Pope, Fr. Joseph Ratzinger was suspect of heresy by the Holy Office under Pope Pius XII. http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatizinger.htm Further, Cardinal Ratzinger approvingly defined the Council document, Gaudium et Spes, as "a counter-Syllabus". http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_031_RatzingerCouterSyllabus.htm There seems to be a pattern here.

John McFarland said...

NCTradCatholic,

He can make those statements because it is his conviction that the role of the Church is to dialogue with Masonry and all the other manifestations of unbelief to the mutual enrichment of the Church and unbelief.

But, you say, this is not the doctrine of the Church.

No, it isn't, but it is the doctrine of the man who currently sits in the Chair of Peter.

But, you say, how can this be?

It can be if the Vicar of Christ turns away from his duty to teach the complete and unadulterated Faith in favor of sanctified Masonry or semi-secularized Catholicism or whatever we might call it.

This state of affairs is why the SSPX is talking with the Vatican. It is trying to bring the Vatican, and above all the Pope, back to the Faith.

At the moment, the gap between the Society, the unlikely but real champion of the complete and unadulterated Faith, and the Vatican is as wide as the distance between Heaven and Hell -- because Hell is where you're sure to end up if you don't have the Faith.

Jordanes said...

I find it shocking that so many people take Fatima seriously. Some posts here are indicative of a cult.

Are you shocked that Pope John Paul II took Fatima seriously? That Pope Benedict XVI takes it seriously? Are you claiming they are leaders of a "cult"?

Jordanes said...

It is you who are reading in, not I.

That's because, unlike you, I properly assume that the Roman Pontiff is a Catholic unless proof positive to the contrary is established.

The Holy Father says that in the last analysis, it's all about fraternal solidarity;

No, he didn't say that at all. He said it's "all about" the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.

It's interesting that you seem to believe Christian fraternal solidarity and the bond of charity is something extraneous or contrary to the Catholic faith.

and so the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of which he speaks must be the triumph of fraternal solidarity.

Of course. How could the Blessed Mother's triumph be a triumph at all in the absence of fraternal solidarity? How could there ever be granted a period of peace if fraternal solidarity is absent or hardly to be found?

That's him talking, not me; and his words do not reflect in letter or spirit the words of the Good Shepherd. The Catholic faith is not about fraternal solidarity.

It's about fraternal enmity, perhaps?

There is more than enough evidence that in the Pope's eyes, religion (from man's perspective, at any rate) is all about man.

I think there's more than enough evidence that in his eyes, religion is NOT all about man, but is, obviously, chiefly about God.

This evidence shows that God is the agent of fraternal solidarity

Could there possibly be any other agent of genuine fraternal solidarity?

So the burden is now on the Holy Father to demonstrate his orthodoxy.

No, the burden is on you to demonstrate that he's not Catholic. Prove it, or keep your mouth shut.

What you are reading into the Holy Father's words must be demonstrated, not assumed.

Wrong. The burden of proof is always on the accuser. Further, charity obligates us always to construe a Pope's words in as orthodox a sense as possible. Since you have appointed yourself judge of the Holy Father, you should at least follow the teachings of the Just Judge in attempting to exercise this office to which you have no right.

You must show where it is that the Holy Father maintains that man exists for the glory of God.

No, you must show where it is that he says that man does not exist for the glory of God.

Good luck with that.

Jordanes said...

Perhaps Mr. McFarland could try to reconcile these words of our Holy Father today with his belief that the Pope does not believe that man exists for the glory of God:

"We are called to serve the humanity of our own time, trusting in Jesus alone, letting ourselves be enlightened by his word: 'You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide” (Jn 15:16). How much time we have lost, how must work has been set back, on account of our lack of attention to this point! Everything is to be defined starting with Christ, as far as the origins and effectiveness of mission is concerned: we receive mission always from Christ, who has made known to us what he has heard from his Father, and we are appointed to mission through the Spirit, in the Church. Like the Church herself, which is the work of Christ and his Spirit, it is a question of renewing the face of the earth starting from God, God always and alone."

Anonymous said...

Dear friends,

I was hoping to "circle our wagons" around the crucial aspect of the fulfillment of the Fatima prophecy.

Some have focussed on terminology and words uttered by the Holy Father that at least indicate some rapprochement with the world. And without agreeing or disagreeing with that view of Pope Benedict XVI's writings, one must assert with the saints that Jesus Christ promised to hold Peter always in the Faith such that it is a pious, if not infallible, belief that a true Catholic cannot judge a Pope to be a heretic (although a future ecumenical council may), and further that the Pope can never fall into formal objective heresy. Jesus' promise to protect Peter is de fide in this regard. So while a particular Pope may express many erroneous opinions, or posit opinions in ways that appear quasi-heretical, a Catholic with sound faith, and a holy fear for his own salvation might do well to let God be the judge about whether the Pope is a Catholic. We have Christ's promise that strong or weak, the Pope always will be Catholic.

But we digress. For Fatima was a prophecy about a real distress in the Church and its only Remedy. And part of that real distress was about a spiritual ailment that afflicted the Church from the top down. No one is truly exempt and it greatly concerned all the Popes from Pius XI through to Pope John Paul II.

The fact that Our Holy Father has at least publicly uttered his hope to have the fulfillment of the Fatima message happen before the apparition's centenary does the following:

1. It rejects the notion that Fatima was concerned only about what has already passed - that is, there is still a future aspect to the prophecy. This alone contradicts the Bertone and Secretary of State position that Fatima is only about the past (20th century communism's persecution of the Church and the unsuccessful attempt on Pope John Paul II's life).

2. It positions the Holy Father on the side of wanting to fulfill the prophetic mission.

If Fatima is about the future, what aspect of the Fatima prophecy is yet to be fulfilled? The Holy Father does not tell us but he does confirm that he is in agreement that some has yet to be fulfilled.

May he one day soon command that the "etc" be shared with the world, and more importantly fulfill that one demand that has yet to be fulfilled. A demand for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

To those who consign the above to a psychotic and cultic outlook, I assure you that I am neither psychotic, nor obsessed. I live a very healthy life, have a successful secular career and a sound faith although I am a terrible sinner. And I am happy to accept what God has sent my way throughout my life. But since the 1940s to the 2000 "opinion" offered by the Vatican, one item has never been revealed to the world - the conclusion of the statement "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith ... etc". This statement has been highlighted so many hundreds of times in so many approved documents of Fatima, that an honest appraisal is that it was as real and legitimate a part of the Fatima revelation as the pardon prayer, the sacrifice prayer, the "O my Jesus .." prayer and all the other beloved devotions approved by Holy Church that came from Fatima.

Mother Angelica in 2000 herself stated that she believes that the etc was not divulged in 2000 yet because "it reveals some thing that is scary".

Meanwhile, non-obsessive truth seekers like myself pray for the day when the whole message of Our Lady is revealed and continue unabated to trust in God and Mary, and in His Infallible Church, run by His INfallible Vicar on Earth for all my needs.

OUr Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

Sincerely in Jesus, Mary and Joseph,

MKT.

Anonymous said...

"Mission"

The way the word is used, doesn't sound right to me?

Is there an English grammar expert to comment?

Anonymous said...

Bloggers wonder how this pope can utter such statements...as do I.

When I first came to Tradition and was choosing between the indultists,FSSPX and sedes, my former confessor, an FSSP priest, was emphatic that I can take comfort in the fact that Cardinal Ratzinger had somewhere along the road changed. He was a liberal but became orthodox.

Hmmmm, the whole of his Fatima visit suggests Pope Benedict 16 must have changed back.

John McFarland said...

Anonymous 22:51,

The Holy Father has not changed at all, in any direction, for forty years and more.

Books of his going back forty years are still in print, and have gone through several (and in some cases more than several) editions.

From what I hear, nothing of any consequence has been changed.

Nor has His Holiness ever claimed otherwise.

Anonymous said...

John McFarland,

Also keep in mind that some of these books have been recently re-printed with a new forward by Ratzinger himself. I'm thinking specifically of the heretical book Introduction to Christianity that I had the sad misfortune to read last year - a book that either denies or cast doubt on virtually every Catholic dogma that is discusses.

In that book he explicitly states that "Teilhard De Chardin was, in the whole, correct", and repeatedly quotes him approvingly. I refer to these heretical books, which, thanks to Ignatius Press, are being re-printed and distributed to an entire generation of ignorant Catholics, as weapons of mass destruction for the faith. God help us.

Without falling into error on one side or the other, let us have the courage to face reality squarely in the face. Defending the indefensible helps no one. Having the courage to speak the truth is what is needed today.

MKT,
Where is it taught de fide that a Pope cannot lose the faith?

Mar said...

To ACS,

During this time of the novena between the Ascension and Pentecost I recommend to you *do* think about that phrase, which comes from the Bible (3 Kings 19:10).

Judging by your shock and downright embarrassment when confronted by the fierce loyalty and unashamed affection some catholics display towards things catholic you are possibly still fairly young. You have yet to learn that it is all right to be
counter-cultural with conviction and without embarrassment.

Maybe you have never as yet been in love or had your heart broken or else you would already know that in the human heart there is a hunger for some kind of 'gross immoderation'. That is what St. Augustine means when he says: "Thou hast made us for Thyself [O Lord] and restless are our hearts until they rest in Thee".

Do you think that all those numerous fans of football or some other sport are not obsessive? Do you think that all those addicted to sex and violence in movies are
not obsessive? Are you shocked and horrified by their obsession or do you think it 'normal'? Do you think that one must be coolly detached towards God and the things of God, saving any passion and zeal for worldly matters only?

Think about it.

LeonG said...

Anonymous said...

and John McFarland,

"I'm thinking specifically of the heretical book Introduction to Christianity that I had the sad misfortune to read last year - a book that either denies or cast doubt on virtually every Catholic dogma that is[t] discusses."

In the past, I have tried to draw attention here & elsewhere to some of this pope's dubious hypotheses on matters of faith, even listing a few of them & the works in which they can be found but they have either not arrived, been ignored or were censured. I have read a vast body of his works and frankly speaking some of the ideas he expresses are far from Catholic. Like his predecessor he is noteworthy for expressing liberal ideologies in complex syntax sometimes with florid & poetic style of which meaning & signification are at best ambivalent and at worst bordering on heresy, as you rightly claim,

When one uses Pope St Pius X's teachings and his predecessors' as the yardstick the post-conciliar papacies frequently fail the test.

Anonymous said...

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger affirms: There is no difference between my work at Vatican II and now. http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_071_Ratzinger_Same.htm Cardinal Von Baltasar: Cardinal Ratzinger did not change. http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_056_BalthasarOnRatzinger.htm I pray to God for the Pope, that he may cooperate with the graces of his office and lead the Church out of its self-imposed malaise.

LeonG said...

Anonymous said.

The number of neo-conservatives who imagine he is a traditional pope betrays their complete ignorance of what traditional means & signifies. he is a liberal modernist in thought, word & deed. He maintains an openness toward "dialogue", in post-conciliar ecumenical style, with tradition.

Anonymous said...

To the Anon who asked where it may be proved that de fide the Church has taught that the Pope can never be a formal/pertinacious heretic.

In short, the sedevacantist thesis must always be a heresy.

While there has never been a formal solemn definition, it would be infallible by way of both the extraordinary and ordinary magesterium of the Church. It has been the implicit teaching of the Church that Christ has promised to keep Peter in the Faith *always*.

This does not mean that the Pope will always be a saint, or even merit salvation, but will never fall away from the Catholic Faith.

Some good articles covering this topic:

1. http://scholasticum.blogspot.com/2006/08/defense-of-those-who-say-vatican-ii.html

2. An article by Chris Ferrara first posted on the Remnant Newspaper entitled "Defending the Papacy: Opposing the Sedevacantist Enterprise" - I cannot find this article posted anywhere on the web but found the first part of it on this personal website.
http://debugmybrain.blogspot.com/2006/01/sedevacantism-exposed.html

As such, while we may muse about the Pope's lack of clarity, about the confusion that his writings and actions may cause to the faithful, even to the scandals that some of his public actions may cause, we can never posit that he is a pertinacious heretic.

Moreover, according to Thomistic principles, neither can the plebes judge the master. So let God judge the Pope, and everyone under his hierarchy respect him, pray for him, love him and indeed obey him, recognizing of course that obedience serves the Truth.

Sincerely, MKT

Picard said...

And re the Consecration of Russia:

If a whole-world Consecration would be enough, then the Consecration of P.Pius XII would have been. - But nobody claimed so. So therefore....

And it is also obvious that a whole-world Consecration can not be enough, does not fulfill the claim of Mother Mary. "Obvious" if you take the claim ernest and do not play games with the language.

Yes, of course, there can be the objection that according to pure logic Russia is included if you consecrate the whole world. - But are you kidding, is this the way our language works?!?

Then after a whole-world Consecration you needn´t consecrate anything else. So you need not to consecrate yourselfe to the Immaculate Heart, not your family, not your town, not other nations,... - because they are all included! Come on (again), are you kidding?!

Yes, logically "the whole world" implicitly entails "Russia". But that´s not a valid argument here, you see?!

If someone claims to consecrate Russia, then this means - obviously!!! - not that you should consecrate the whole world (or better: the whole universe!) and all is done.
Again: Come on, that´s not the meaning of such a claim, obviously not....!!! (Normal language does not work like pure-logical-formalized language!! The normal understanding of this claim is obvious, if you do not play games with the words!!)

Anonymous said...

Also, from the Saints and Doctors on the same subject:

That the Pope cannot be a pertinacious heretic is taught by St. Robert Bellarmine in his work De Romano Pontifice, Bk. 4, ch. 6.

" . . . it can be piously believed, that the Supreme Pontiff, not only as Pontiff cannot err; but also as an individual person, cannot be a heretic by believing pertinaciously anything false contrary to the Faith."

since this is what Christ by His prayer for St. Peter's successors obtained, as Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself said: "I have prayed for you Simon that your faith might not fail, and when your are converted, confirm your brethren," [Lk 22:32]

Also:
- Pope St. Leo the Great (Sermon 2, On Christmas, "At Sts. Peter and Paul’s")
- St. Cyprian, (Bk. 1, Epistle 1 "To Cornelius")
- Pope Lucius I, Pope Felix I, Pope St. Agatho, Pope Nicholas I, Pope Leo XI, Pope Innocent III, and St. Bernard of Clarivaux, as cited in St. Robert Bellarmine's treatise De Romano Pontifice, bk. I.

Sincerely, MKT

Jordanes said...

If a whole-world Consecration would be enough, then the Consecration of P.Pius XII would have been. - But nobody claimed so. So therefore....

Pius XII's consecration was not done in concert with all the bishops on a single day, which was, after all, a part of Our Lady's request.

Of course one could make a similar objection to John Paul II's consecration, since he endeavored to include all the bishops, but it can't be affirmed that all the bishops he invited actually joined in the Act of Consecration. Indeed, it could be well nigh impossible to verify that this request has really been done: someone will always be able to point to something or other that does not, or seems to not, fulfill all of the terms of the request. I would guess that if we see a period of peace among nations, and if we start to see dramatic, positive changes in Russia, one could then after the fact infer that the consecration was done in a way that pleased God. (Some argue that is in fact what we began to see soon after the 1984 consecration.)

MKT said...

Dear Jordanes,

It is important to remember the specific promises that Our Lady associated with the proper Consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart by all the bishops of the world in union with the Pope on the same day.

They are specifically:
1. The Conversion of Russia
2. A period of peace for the World.

Now, the COnsecrations already performed in 1942, 1952, 1982 and 1984 all procured many wonderful graces in their own right, but not the specific graces noted above.

Specifically:
Our Lady indicated that Pope Pius XII's personal consecration of Russia in 1942 led to the end of WW2 - a huge grace not to be belittled.

The 1952 personal consecration by the same Pope led to the slowing down of the advances of communism and the USSR.

The 1982 and 1984 consecrations, it is useful to note, were verbatim identical. As such, to those who claim that the 1984 consecration was the one to fulfill the specific requests of Our Lady of Fatima, need to be able to explain why the 1982 consecration is overlooked in this, as it was identical.

The eyes of faith can certainly attribute the breakup of the USSR and the Communist bloc within 5-7 years of these consecrations to the 1982 and 1984 consecrations of the world to the Immaculate Heart by the Pope in union with a few hundred (about 5-10% of the world's bishops). These are great and significant blessings and graces in their own right as well. No one in their right mind in 1984,at the height of the global fears of a nuclear exchange between the US and the USSR, would have anticipated such a precipitous breakup of the Communist bloc.

The distinction made is that these consecrations did not procure the promised graces of Russia's conversion, and no one can call the period of time in the 1990s and 2000s "peaceful". In this period of time, numerous wars and genocides multiplied worldwide - Russia itself has no peace with the terrible war with the Chechens raging more and more out of control - and Russia had by the mid to late 1990s established itself as the organized crime, prostitution and abortion capital of the world.

So certainly, personal papal consecrations of Russia, consecrations of the world and other such acts of manifest public devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary are rewarded, but not with the two key promises that Our Lady of Fatima made.

Moreover, right after the 1984 consecration Pope John Paul II on March 25, the March 26-27, 1984 publication of the Vatican newspaper Avvenire recorded his prayer as such (after the 1984 consecration): "Enlighten especially the peoples of which You Yourself are awaiting our consecration and confiding." Which indicate the Holy Father's thinking about what was or was not still needed.

I agree with you that it appears practically impossible to fulfill Our Lady's demands in the current situation in the CHurch. It would require nothing short of a papal *command*, which the spirit of episcopal "collegiality" tends to discourage, and a world politic of bishops who would respond positively to any papal command, which our experience with SP tells us just is not there at the current time.

This may mean that the world's bishops may need to be shocked into obeying such a command if it were ever issued. Some global or ecclesial catastrophe that would humble some of these proud clerics to realize the need for this act.

Our Lady has promised that the proper Consecration of Russia will indeed happen eventually. MY prayer is that it will happen sooner than later, that we may experience the wonderful global graces promised by Our Lady and that we may soon witness the beginning of the Age of Mary in the triumph of Her Immaculate Heart.

Your sincerely and non-obsessively,

MKT