Rorate Caeli
"Reform of the reform" apparently put on hold ...
From Getty Images we see Spanish Queen Sofia receiving Holy Communion in the hand, while standing over the kneeler, while unveiled, from Pope Benedict XVI yesterday.
How long, O Lord ...

80 comments:

Anonymous said...

No vale, communion in the hand....she is a queen after all.The example for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

She is Her Most Catholic Majesty after all.....

Anonymous said...

He doesn't look too happy about it.

Jonathan said...

I found another disturbing photo from this Mass- a priest distributing Holy Communion (gotta love those mega-Masses).. holding a ciborium in one hand, and taking a picture with the other.

Woody said...

I saw that on the EWTN broadcast and thought it a bit incongruous, to say the least. But who knows, maybe she has knee problems? I missed seeing whether the King received at all.

Anonymous said...

What did you expect? Should the Holy Father have kicked her knees out and forced her to receive communion on the tongue.

I generally enjoy this blog but with this post I am reminded that as much good as Rorate Caeli does, it is equally fickle and problematic.

Anonymous said...

What a strange picture. No hat on this Queen and she deigns to stoop to receive our Blessed Lord. I'm guessing that the Pope was caught by surprise.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

She stands on the kneelers to receive in her hands?! How arrogant!

Philippus

Jacob said...

I noted this yesterday at my blog after having watched the EWTN rerun of the Mass.

All she had to do was kneel down at her own kneeler and stick out her tongue...

Was that Juan Carlos sitting next to her? He did not receive at all it looked like.

Anonymous said...

and the king abstained from receiving communion, but we guess why...

However it is interesting to note that the king, the Queen, the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess kissed the Papal ring very respectfully, which is rather rare from heads of States.

Ken said...

Gotta' hand it to the queen of Spain -- it must not have been easy to stand on the kneeler and extend that far forward. Either the mantilla-less Sofia is making a bold statement, or she is just completely clueless.

The look on the faces of some of those Spanish priests is priceless.

Long-Skirts said...

"a picture is worth a thousand words" Peter FEED thy sheep!!

Anonymous said...

Typical Novus Ordo Catholic, she is.

Also, I like to think the Pope is glaring at her.

Did she even kneel?

Simon said...

Maybe she decided to not follow the instructions since she is queen and feels its under her dignity to kneel infront of the pope. You see I think this kneeling for communion from the pope and standing for communion from everyone else at the same mass gives mixed signlas. Perhaps people think they have to kneel just because its the pope?

Anyways, really bad manner.

Cruise the Groove. said...

I would think that is a trick photograph.
I do not think the Holy Father would ever backtrack that way.

Anonymous said...

What exactly did you expect the Pope to do, under the circumstances?

Auricularis said...

She'll have to kneel one day before the King of Kings

St said...

The king and queen were on some sort of raised platform on the Gospel side of the sanctuary - hence the fact that the Pope seems to be on a lower level in this photo. The queen is very tall. I suppose she just didn't kneel down for communion, and no one was going to tell her what to do! But by and large she is conservative, and has caused controversy by her public opposition to gay pride marches, etc.

Anonymous said...

He could hardly cause an international incident by refusing to give the queen Holy Communion. Who’s going to put who on the spot? Come on – what was he meant to do about it when the queen puts her hands out - - “Sorry your majesty, I’m going to refuse you Holy Communion in front of the cammeras etc etc”. However, we can be sure that it has been noted how she has put the Pope into this situation.

Anonymous said...

At least it looks like he made her do at least a profound bow...how unfortunate, Spain will have a lot to answer for...

IntroiboAdAltareDei said...

So earlier this year, the husband of the queen of Spain, Juan Carlos I, signed with his free will an evil law. A law which legalised the mass slaughter of countless innocent Spanish children. His subjects, who he will never know, since he condoned their slaughter. (ref: LifeSiteNews, March 5).

Did not the bishops previously say that those voting for this law would receive the penalty under canon 915, yet they remained silent when the king himself then signed it (with the corresponding blood on his hands)?

Now one can see this photo from Spain, and we mindfully reflect on all that has been written on the immeasurable harm done, not to mention endless acts of sacrilege committed, through the abuse that is CITH, over the past 50 years.

Indeed, it is sad.

I guess the King of Kings simply ought to know His present place in this up-side-down world, and get on with kneeling before the Spanish king and queen?

Let us pray much for our Holy Father. Let us pray more, do more penance and acts of reparation, and keep working tirelessly in the trenches whilst resisting the temptation to ever become disheartened!

(I suppose a piece of paper removing the indult for the abuse that is CITH will not come this side of Christmas 2010 A.D. now in light of this!)

Anonymous said...

Spanish Queen Sofia is a lutheran...

Anonymous said...

And just possibly she can't kneel!
Possibly....
She's also much higher than the Holy Father and maybe receiving on the tongue would be very awkward.
Possibly...

Robert said...

What is she afraid of getting germs!!.

Anonymous said...

Guess she didn't get the memo.

Anonymous said...

All solves a case. If the Pope really would do what many of us wishes to see- he will never change the manner of his actions. It is simple "preferences", but the case solves all.

Patricia Tryon said...

How about refusing the temptation to detract? :)

MCITL said...

For Sofia, perhaps, but not for BXVI. Her loss.

MCITL said...

Her obtuseness, whether deliberate or not, her clumsy and oafish rejection of the use of the kneeler makes her, unfortunately, an object of pity and loss of respect, especially among her compatriots who know that she should know better.

Christopher J. Paulitz said...
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Christopher J. Paulitz said...

"I would think that is a trick photograph. I do not think the Holy Father would ever backtrack that way."

It is not fake. Getty Images is one of the most widely respected photo suppliers in the world.

Jack said...

\\But who knows, maybe she has knee problems? \\

I was thinking there MAY be more to this story than the picture shows. Charity demands we assume so instead of sniping at her.

As far as her not wearing a veil, I've seen broadcasts of masses celebrated by the Pope in which women receiving Communion from him were NOT veiled--and at least one Arabic man who received Communion from him wearing a burnoose on his head.

Remember also that Queen Sofia was originally Orthodox, and standing has always been the normal posture for Communion in this Church.

Picard said...

If Popes do not behave like Popes Queens do not behave like Queens...

Shame on both - and all that are responsable for the plethora of sacrileges for the last decades because of the damn CITH [as Introibo shortens it]!

[Yes, I AM ANGRY!]

Woody said...

Anonymous, Queen Sofia was a member of the Greek royal family and raised Orthodox. She converted to Catholicism in connection with her marriage to King Juan Carlos. So far as I know, and I do follow these things somewhat, she is devout and also well-liked in Spain for her charitable endeavors. She has often showed up unbidden at the hospital bedsides of disaster victims to comfort them. She was also present in South Africa for the Spanish victory at the World Cup, the King being kept behind to recover from surgery.

Whether the King received on Sunday or not is really a matter between him and God, so I leave it at that.

Father Anthony Cekada said...

Sigh!

Shades of the "poor Pope Paul" excuses/rumors we heard forty years ago. At least no one has brought up the animatronic robot controlled from Brussels or a double with differently-shaped ears -- yet.

Could it be that, despite all the nice vestments he's brought out of mothballs and despite allowing the "extraordinary form," he's not really St. Pius X resurrected after all?

Or, to approach it from a different angle: is distributing communion in the hand sacrilege or not?

Anonymous said...

So what is a traditionalist monarchist to do when the monarch disappoints?

Anonymous said...

Please inform me as to why she would have covered her head?

John

Prof. Basto said...

I watched it live.

The King did not receive Communion. Which is no problem at all. People start supposing that he did not receive It as a political gesture, but that's just crazy. He did not receive It because you only receive it when you are in a state of grace and properly disposed.

Perhaps His Majesty has not gone to Confession since signing the abortion statute. Perhaps he was not in state of grace for other reason. Perhaps he, as I do, likes to adhere to the old, longer, Eucharistic fast.

As for Her Majesty, we may dislike the fact that she did not adhere to the "reform of the reform" posture, but the fact of the matter is that she received in the hand as Catholics in Spain are allowed by the Holy Apostolic See to do. So, receiving in the hand is licit.

If the Pope really wants to have people not receiving in the hand, he has to first change the laws of the Church, and that is something that he can do, you know, being as he is the supreme legislator in the Church. It would be a good legislative change. Why he has not legislated to that effect is for me a mystery.

But, while he fails to legislate, his suggestion that people only receive on the tongue remains just that, a suggestion. It would be wrong for him to deny Communion to someone because that person has chosen to receive in one of the forms allowed by the Church's own laws.

As for the kneeling part, the universal law of the Church allows conferences of bishops to set the manner of reception (kneeling or standing). No one is to be denied Communion because he chooses to kneel, even when the conference adopted standing as the standard posture.

The Pope, on the other hand, decided that he would only distribute Communion to people kneeling, so as to promote that form of reception. But if he really wanted to make this form mandatory, he could simply legislate to that effect. So, the queen of Spain received in the form allowed by her episcopal conference. Nothing illicit there.

As for the pope's decision that he would not give Communion but to people who chose to receive the Sacrament kneeling and on the tongue, that obviously applies to us who are common people. We have no right to receive directly from the Supreme Pontiff.

On the other hand, if the Pope is visiting a country and this country has a Catholic monarch and a Catholic queen consort, and the Pope celebrates Mass in the presence of his royal hosts, then the Royal Catholic Couple, provided they do not do anything illicit, do has the legitimate expectation of receiving Communion directly from the Father of Princes and Kings. So, the Pope could not be expected to create a diplomatic incident by refusing the Queen of Spain Communion, especially when, strictly speaking, she had under current Canon Law the right to stand and the right to receive on the hand.

Only the pope, as legislator, can put an end to those rights. But he has failed to do so for the time being.

andyjourn said...

To get people right on a bit of history.

Queen Sofia was a member of the Greek Royal Family, and was formerly Greek Orthodox. She converted to Catholicism before marrying, King Juan Carlos

wheat4paradise said...

The title of this post is clever, yet misleading and a bit unfair to the Holy Father.

The photograph itself is an interesting study. Anyone unaware of the CITH controversy would think that the Queen is making an extraordinary gesture of reverence. Someone said that the look on the faces of some of the Spanish priests is priceless -- I agree! Then there is the look on the Holy Father's face. His eyes are in shadows, so it's hard to make out precisely where he's looking, but it does look a bit like he's glaring at the Queen.

A modern day Rembrandt could turn the photo into a magnificent painting, quite emblematic of the sturm und drang of this pontificate.

Anonymous said...

I thought the Holy Father refused to give Communion in the hand????

Anonymous said...

"Typical Novus Ordo Catholic, she is."

Please don't create more division within Church. Creating yet another partisan-like politic within the Church helps no one. We're Catholic (one Church), with need for conversion at all levels (which will always be the case), with 2 legitimately established Forms of worship. Please take on a more Catholic mentality.

People understand the abuses that have gone on since Vatican II and the Church has been moving to correct them, but the abuses aren't the Novus Ordo, are they.

Anonymous said...

Queen Sophia has no knee problem at the moment, as she was clearly seen to genuflect before the Pope every time that she kissed his ring adn greeted him. It would seem that she has more respect for Christ's vicar than for Christ himself.

What an appalling example for the Pope to accept to give her communion in the hand. At communion, she is no more of a queen than you and me, she is a Christian like anyone. The Pope is shooting himself in the foot.

Anonymous said...

This Queen of Spain once expressed great annoyance after a nuptial Mass at which the celebrant informed the congregation that only Catholics in a state of grace were able to receive Holy Communion

Anonymous said...

What a joke this so called reform of the reform is!

Fr. Jay Comerford, O. Carm. said...

Priest of 33 years. A reminder...it is the choice of the communicant as to the posture/form of receiving Communion. Hand or tongue. NOT the presuiders. In the Vatican, Msgr. Marino has the Pope distribute Communion as the GRIM states without national guidelines, exceptions. Italy and most countries follow their nationally approved variations, which call for choice of receiving Communion stnding and on the tongue. Benedict did not seem to mind on earlier trips to US and elsewhere.

Stanislaw said...

There is no universal interdiction to give Holy Comunion on the hand. If Holy Father prefers more - the traditional manner - he at the same time, will not forbid for you to receive Holy Comunion on the hand. It was same cardinal Ratzinger, who gave Comunion on the hand for many years. And today he, Benedict XVI has not yet forgotten, how to do it. If he really is against to give Comunion on the hand always, undoubtedly, he would give such universal law. The ideology remains the former. But, illusions will suffice.

Anonymous said...

Benedict XVI is too nice a guy to ask her to kneel. That would take another pope.

Christopher J. Paulitz said...

John: "Please inform me as to why she would have covered her head?"

John, first, all women should cover their heads at Mass, as has always been the custom and as was demanded by St. Paul.

Second, all women must still cover their heads when present with the Pope. Even Michele Obama complies with that.

Jordanes said...

So what is a traditionalist monarchist to do when the monarch disappoints?

If you are a subject of a disappointing monarch, you may (and should) pray for him (or for yourself if the disappointment arises from your own fault rather than from the monarch's). If you're one of his ministers, you may have an opportunity or even obligation to privately share your concerns with him. It is the height of presumption for a subject to presume to advise or instruct the monarch.

Cruise the Groove. said...

The Holy Father has not made it illicit to recieve the Blessed Sacrament in the hand and standing.
While it most certainly seems that the Queen should recieve the Body of God in the manner that the Holy Father prefers, and it does strike one as a shabby move, until the Supreme Pontiff abolishes the seemingly irreverent practice of Communion in the hand and standing, then the faithful may and will recieve his Body in this manner.

I personally believe that reception in this manner is gravely sacriligious, but who am I?

Anonymous said...

An incredibly awkward moment and photo. What is she doing? The pope looks bewildered; she looks like she's about to tip over the kneeler as if she didn't know what it was for.

Prof. Basto said...

Second, all women must still cover their heads when present with the Pope. Even Michele Obama complies with that.

That's the Vatican protocol. It only applies to private audiences with the Pope at the Vatican.

And at the Vatican, Queen Sofia wears a mantilla when in audience with the Pope, and also for Mass, as seen by the mantillas she wore in the funeral of Vatican II and in the installation of Benedict XVI.

If the Pope wants women wearing headcoverings at every mass, he can simply reinstate the pre-1983 discipline.

How hard is that for the legislator?

Anonymous said...

No one is saying that she didn't have a canonical right to take on the hand; it just looks so bad and confused with the kneeler there. It looks as if she is determined to ignore the kneeler. This is the legacy of the liturgical mess created by Bugnini.

dcs said...

Second, all women must still cover their heads when present with the Pope.

Yes, during an audience -- I am not aware of a similar rule when assisting at Papal Masses.

Anonymous said...

Get over it people! Just because she did not kneel does not mean that she has any disrespect for the Eucharist.
Geez......

LeonG said...

It is incomprehensible the reactions of sheer disillusionment to this public act. I have stated time and again, Pope Benedict XVI is not traditional and probably never was, if his writings are anything to assess him by. He is committed to the NO with some traditional accoutrements and no more. If they expect more than this they will only ever be disappointed.

Cruise the Groove. said...

"Get over it people! Just because she did not kneel does not mean that she has any disrespect for the Eucharist."

No, it does not obviously mean that she had a any internal desire to disrespect Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, but unless her Highness is completely oblivious of what is going on around her, it shows a sign of disrespect for His Holiness.

Mauro Cappelari said...

I don’t know if Queen Sophia of Spain is vegetarian, but I know that she is a common presence in the meetings of the antichristian, masonic and oneworldist groups like Bilderberg (if you don’t believe me, do a Google search with that purpose). So her disrespectful attitude towards Holy Communion and Pope Benedict XVI doesn’t surprise me. On the contrary, I suppose she wouldn’t lose an opportunity to humiliate the man that represents a Tradition that she intimately hates. After all, Sophia and her husband the King Juan Carlos have, in no small part, great responsibility for the laicization of Spain since the dead of Generalissimo Franco.

Anonymous said...

Spain is a basket case and she presides over it. Franco’s legacy has been completely repudiated. Spain is the now land of homosexual supremacy and abortion.

As for the remarks that she is “Her Majesty the Queen” and "what could the pope do about it?"

What did Pope St. Pius V do about Queen Elizabeth I?

Part of this evil is due to the cowardly suppression of the canonization of the Servant of God, Queen Isabella of Spain. A saint for the politically incorrect, not.

Anonymous said...

very well said by anon :

No one is saying that she didn't have a canonical right to take on the hand; it just looks so bad and confused with the kneeler there. It looks as if she is determined to ignore the kneeler. This is the legacy of the liturgical mess created by Bugnini.

09 November, 2010 13:49

The trouble comes from these 2 kneelers : nobody can think a second it has not been duly arranged with protocol and security BEFORE being put there. So the Queen put a show with an undignified attitude both physically and morally.
Was she asked to behave like that as a deliberate provocation ?
I thought she was a devout Catholic so it's very weird.

Alsaticus

Ben Vallejo said...

It was really so undignified of the Queen to stoop like that. A Queen has to keep her head high. If she knelt, then her dignity would have been kept intact!

SamGamgee said...

"You must learn, child, that what would be wrong for you or for any of the common people is not wrong in a great Queen such as I. The weight of the world is on our shoulders. We must be freed from all rules. Ours is a high and lonely destiny." ~spoken by Queen Jadis in The Magician's Nephew (CS Lewis)

Anonymous said...

Entirely apart from the risk of profanation, reception in the hand is a bad idea because it obscures the distinctiveness of Holy Orders, because it levels the transaction between the one who receives and the One who gives, and because it re-images Holy Communion as a possession that we acquire by right, rather than a gift.

When all's said and done about Holy Communion in the hand, my mind cannot escape the image of the arrest of Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane: "Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him".

Romulus

Brendon said...

I must say though, that she was formerly orthodox, and entered into the Church during the craziness of the 60s. Orthodox have a tradition of standing. Can't blame her too much.

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Adamz said...

The photograph alone is perhaps misleading. To see Queen Sofia’s mode of reception in context, see the “view on demand” video at KTO TV. The queen communicates (141:50).

Incidentally, the Holy Father slips on the predella (142:09) with the ciborium in hand.

KTO TV video link Messe et Angélus à Barcelone

Anonymous said...

Get over it people! Just because she did not kneel does not mean that she has any disrespect for the Eucharist.
Geez......

No it's called contempt!

M. A. said...

"..Just because she did not kneel does not mean that she has any disrespect for the Eucharist."
_________________________
She showed no respect for the wishes of His Holiness. Knowing his preference, it appears that she desired to flaunt 'his' traditional and venerable way of dispensing Communion.

The restoration will not come until discipline is promulgated from the very top. Until that day comes, all we have is the Holy Father's 'opinions' and 'preferences'. With such weapons as mere opinions, desires, wishes, there is not much we can do to effect a genuine restoration of the Faith.

But to maintain my peace and equilibrium, I remind myself that our Holy Father is not a Traditionalist. I believe he means well, he is a nice man, certainly a better pope than his predecessor, but no, he is no Pius X!

Ken said...

Prof. Bastro wrote:

"...in the funeral of Vatican II..."

If only such a Requiem were offered!

thomas tucker said...

Professor- the reason the Holy Father doesn't legislate those things is because he knows, as does any father dealing with children, that you have to pick your battles.

Anonymous said...

In response to the comment made by anonymous:

Spanish Queen Sofia is a lutheran...

08 November, 2010 23:39

Queen Sofia is not Lutheran, she is a Roman Catholic and I am not defending her but who knows maybe she has a problem with her knee or only God knows I doubt that she is not aware of the protocol especially seeing that others received Holy Communion while kneeling.

I think we should abstain about making remarks or comments, maybe we should look for a response from ths Spanish Royal Palace on why she didn't kneel.

Then I would feel more confortable about giving commenting.

Anonymous said...

"John, first, all women should cover their heads at Mass, as has always been the custom and as was demanded by St. Paul.

Second, all women must still cover their heads when present with the Pope. Even Michele Obama complies with that."

1. Thank you for having responded to my question.

2. Custom? Beginning during the 1960s, Rome swept various customs aside.

3. It seems strange to me that Rome would insist that women are to cover their heads during audiences with a man, that is, the Pope.

However, when in God's house at Mass and in God's presence via the Holy Eucharist, Rome does not insist that women cover their heads.

Women are to cover their heads for a man, but not for God?

John

dcs said...

Orthodox have a tradition of standing.

They do not have any tradition of receiving in the hand, however.

Anonymous said...

Does she not realize how UNDIGNIFIED she appears in that position?

--Zakhur

Anonymous said...

sGiven that the queen was on a raised platform and probably doesn't follow the ins and outs of liturgical form closely, she did what we all do when confronted with an awkward situation - she took communion the way she normally does. Why all the judgement? When you look at the video (KTOTV), it looks very normal and human. Or, is everyone who doesn't kneel and receive on the tongue an outcast here?

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon.

She was ALSO not covering her head in Church. Are queens above Christh the King and His holy Apostle Paul?

Some people see the obvious but would prefer a fantasy outcome to the real world.

P.K.T.P.

Acreator said...

Recieving in the hand is a Catholic post-concilium invention. In my lutheran childhood we were not aloud to recieve in the hand nor touch the chalice, the rail is still in many Lutheran churches,as well as ad orientem.

Anonymous said...

I made a bad comment earlier I am sorry I take it back.

Dr. Herbert R. said...

We should be more charitable because we do not know the real reason behind why the Queen stooped down rather than kneel. If you have a bad arthritis kneeling would be a real pain. The act of stooping down is already an act of respect. So before we make judgement we should first know the reason behind.