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A question for our readers: have you spotted this too?


I don't know if you spot this too: it is uncanny how often the Pope mentions something in the Old Calendar or the traditional euchology. I'm sure that he has imposed upon himself a self-denying discipline of always using the Ordinary Form (until SSPX conform?) for his public and private masses. But he undoubtedly keeps an eye on Tradition. In his allocution to the Roman Curia, he repeated over and over again the phrase Excita Domine potentiam tuam et veni; although all those splendid old Excita collects were shifted off the Sundays of Advent by Bugnini's semi-Pelagian sidekicks. Another example: yesterday the Vatican Information Service quoted his words about S Thomas the Apostle.

It is, of course, pure chance that S Thomas the Apostle, in the Traditional Calendar, comes on December 21, just before Christmas; "Interrupting", as Dr Bugnini primly put it, "the series of the Great Ferias of Advent". My problem with the rational transference of the Apostle to July is that he seems an admirable Patron Saint of Christmas ... if you can get your minds round that rather bizarre formulation...

19 comments:

Cruise the Groove said...

I wonder what Father means by the following?:

"...imposed upon himself a self-denying discipline of always using the Ordinary Form (until SSPX conform?)"

Is he saying that until the FSSPX begin using the Novus Ordo the Holy Father will only offer the Ordinary Form?

I wonder what "conform" means here?

The TLM is for all priests, so why would do the FSSPX have to do something [conform] before His Holiness offers the Usus Antiquor?

The Sanctimonious One said...

I suspect 'conform' means 'reaches agreement with the Holy See such that the ecclesiastical censured can be lifted'.

Et Expecto said...

Fr Hunwick means "until the SSPX are fully reconciled with the Universal Church".

You will note that he adds a ? which indicates that this supposition is speculative.

asophist said...

Three things I wish the Holy Father would hurry up and do:
1) Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
2) Celebrate the TLM
3) Regularize the SSPX unconditionally.

John (Ad Orientem) said...

I don't know if you spot this too: it is uncanny how often the Pope mentions something in the Old Calendar...

He is joking... right?

Anonymous said...

He, who, is joking? Fr. Hunwicke or Pope Benedict?

Anonymous said...

Absurd.

John (Ad Orientem) said...

He, who, is joking? Fr. Hunwicke or Pope Benedict?

I was referring to Fr. H. While we may not agree with Pope Benedict XVI, we do take him very seriously. Fr. H. must be living in a different dimension from the one I am in. The only reference I have ever heard the Pope make to the Old Calendar is his annual Christmas greeting to the Patriarch of Moscow on January 7th.

wheat4paradise said...

I've also noticed how much the Holy Father looks like a Pope of old:

http://tinyurl.com/2aa33ya

I know, I know, just looking Traditional is no substitute for abrogating the New Mass and celebrating the Old ... but he really does look like a Pope in that photo!

Anonymous said...

John (Ad Orientem),

By "Old Calendar," I think Fr. Hunwick was talking about the traditional liturgical calendar that the "extraordinary form" uses.

John (Ad Orientem) said...

By "Old Calendar," I think Fr. Hunwick was talking about the traditional liturgical calendar that the "extraordinary form" uses.

I see. I will confine myself to noting that Fr. H's understanding of the words "old" and "traditional" would be seen as somewhat odd to us. I guess we use the Paleolithic Calendar.

Anonymous said...

I live in Rome and know a priest well up in the Secretariat who has told me that the Pope celebrates the Extraordinary Form of the Mass in private. The reference to the "Excita Domine" is obviously a reference to the traditional liturgy.

For all of those people who say that the Holy Father doesn't refer to the Traditional liturgy, what of his discourse to the Synod of Bishops this Fall when he spoke of the Feast of Mary Mother of God during the month of October or his references to the Circumcision of the Lord on January 1. Not only does the Holy Father "Keep an eye on the tradition," he lives it.

bp said...

To Anonymous
I live in Rome and know a priest well up in the Secretariat who has told me that the Pope celebrates the Extraordinary Form of the Mass in private.

This was discussed many times in the past and the result was always that the Holy father celebrates in Latin, ad orientem - but still Novus Ordo.

LeonG said...

" I guess we use the Paleolithic Calendar."

While the NO uses the Neo-lithic.

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

"I guess we use the Paleolithic Calendar."

If you're referring to the Julian Calendar, yes. If you're referring to the "Revised Julian", a strange hybrid of the Gregorian Calendar and the Julian Paschalion, well, there's absolutely nothing "old" or "traditional" about it either. Even the Greek Catholics have mostly clung to the Julian Calendar.

John (Ad Orientem) said...

Carlos,
You are absolutely correct. The so called "reformed" calendar is a modernist monstrosity which has badly damaged the liturgical unity of the Church. It was foisted on parts of the Church in the early 1920's by the EP at the time who was almost certainly a Free Mason and an Ecumenist. The results have been devastating.

While I do not concur with the more extreme elements who label the new calendar as heretical because of its Papal origins, it is certainly uncanonical. No one has the right to unilaterally alter the calendar and disrupt church unity. The results have been scandalous, even to the point of instigating schisms.

In ICXC
John

Anonymous said...

I wish the Holy Father would pray the Tridentine Mass. If for no other reason than that he deserves to. He gifted the Church the return of this form of Mass. He has been said to wish to say it, and even rumoured to prefer it on occasion. As Pope he should not be bullied or threatened (An Italian Cardinal or Bishop's resignation) into not saying it. He should pray it for himself. The Pope who brought us Summorum Pontificum should have the legacy include a beautiful Tridentine Liturgy said once again from the Altar of St. Peter's. It just seems wrong for him not to do it.

Ben Vallejo said...

The answer to the question is found in the Pope's letter to the bishops on why he issued Summorum Pontificum.

The Pope's objective is written in these words

"The celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of Paul VI will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage. The most sure guarantee that the Missal of Paul VI can unite parish communities and be loved by them consists in its being celebrated with great reverence in harmony with the liturgical directives. This will bring out the spiritual richness and the theological depth of this Missal."

and

"it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, not only on account of the juridical norms, but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful."


Summorum Pontificum exists for the good of the Novus Ordo and not just the Tridentine Mass!

And to show the good of the Novus Ordo, the Pope will continue to celebrate mass in the OF.

Ralph Roister-Doister said...

What a silly exchange. Benedict is no more a closet traditionalist in any respect than his predecessor. If wishes were horses . . . .