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For the Record: new SSPX "Rosary Crusade"

40 comments:

Cruise the Groove. said...

I think His Excellency sums up the Crusade against confusion in the Church aptly when he says:

"We are counting on your generosity to collect once more a bouquet of at least twelve million rosaries for the intention that the Church may be delivered from the evils that oppress her or threaten her in the near future, that Russia may be consecrated and that the Triumph of the Immaculata may come soon."
What an important and holy Crusade.
I am on board.

We see more and more that Bishop Fellay and the FSSPX are proving themselves to be true friends of the Church and the Holy Father!

And they still are not canonically regularised by HH.

When O Lord
When?

Anonymous said...

According to the article, Bp. Fellay wants this latest Rosary intention to be that the Church may be delivered from the evils that oppress her or threaten her in the near future, and that Russia may be consecrated and that the triumph of the Immaculata will come soon.

However, this is not what Our Lady told the chiildren at Fatima to pray for. She told them, after showing them a vision of Hell, that they were to sacrifice themselves for sinners and to say many times, especially when making a sacrifice: "O Jesus, it is for Thy love, for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

Our Lady also said that to save them, God wishes to establish devotion to her Immaculate Heart. If they would do so, then many souls will be saved, and there will be peace.

But the SSPX does not ask for the Rosary intentions for which Our Lady asked. It was for sinners that she specifically wanted prayers and sacrifices done. She did not say anything about Rosary intentions, or prayers or sacrifices to end evils against the Church.

Tom the Milkman said...

A beautiful Letter from the Bishop, as usual. That remark "but who still understands them in that way?" is a haunting mirror reflection of the crisis of the Church herself - who in the revolutionary Church still understands Her in the Catholic way? The sons of Lefebvre assuredly do. Who can deny this, and why might they? It's a puzzlement to me. What is true is true. It's not a difficult equation, but nonetheless it requires a deliberate penetration into the mind of modern man, so complemented is it by the chimera of truth, of liturgy, the chimera of unity. To insist that what is true is false, is to subvert unity, for it's impossible for wilful disregard of the truth to produce any end other than disunity. Bishop Fellay speaks the truth. Who can withstand it?

I am not Spartacus said...

The SSPX may experience a spike in communicants at their Chapels if The Upcoming Synod in Rome teaches that the Bible contains errors.

I am ashamed to confess that I was publicly one of their most severe critics and I am pretty handy with rhetoric and I was quite nasty and vindictive at times.

Even though I can not remember all of my hateful words against them, I take them back. There is no doubt the Church I was born into in 1948 has experienced a revolution within its form and I am truly grateful that The SSPX provided a sanctuary from this mayhem and madness for so many troubled souls.

Little did I know how prescient they were. And if they teach heresy, I wish someone would tell me what it is.. All I know is that they offer the Traditional Mass and the Traditional Sacraments and the Traditional Theology that my Dad grew-up with, and his Dad...etc etc etc

Frankly, I think that if it were not for The FSSP I would be courting suicide and were it not for The SSPX there would be no FSSP.

Count me in on the Rosary Campaign to the extent that my weak resolve is capable and enough already about the full communion-partial communion distinction which is a substantial as "a thought trying to form itself on the edge of consciousness." (Raymond Chandler).

If the SPX ain't Catholic then aint nobody Catholic

Anonymous said...

Incidentally, what ever happened to the Second Rosary Crusade, the one following the retractinon of declarations of excommunication? Did it fizzle?

P.K.T.P.

poeta said...

Also of interest to SSPX followers: Some members of the Angelqueen forum are planning a Holy Saturday Rosary for the intention that the May 1 beatification not go forward.

David Werling said...

"But the SSPX does not ask for the Rosary intentions for which Our Lady asked. It was for sinners that she specifically wanted prayers and sacrifices done. She did not say anything about Rosary intentions, or prayers or sacrifices to end evils against the Church."

So you only offer up your rosary for this one intention? You never offer up a rosary for a loved one, for the Holy Father, for your bishop?

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate you offering your rosary for me every single time, but just so you know, Mary didn't say at Fatima that we weren't allowed to offer the rosary for other intentions.

Alex Benziger G said...

Sir,
Poeta coorectly said. Everybody wants to cheap publicity. What can we do. But rosaries can do. Let we support the new SSPX "Rosary Crusade".
Alex Benziger.G

Anonymous said...

"What ever happenened to the second Rosary Crusade?" It acctually concluded and a bouquet of 18 million rosaries was presented to the Holy Father.

TJBC

Long-Skirts said...

Anon 21:04 said:

"But the SSPX does not ask for the Rosary intentions for which Our Lady asked."

GET BEHIND ME SATAN!

<<2004 - Fátima to become interfaith shrine:
Delegates attending the Vatican and United Nations (UN) inspired
annual interfaith congress "The Future of God">>>>

SEA AT HER SHRINE

"The Future of God"?
O man how dare!
Your days are numbered
You drop like hair.

Before you were knit
In woman's womb
He saw your unraveling
Towards this your doom.

So sent the others
To intercede
Sacerdos ----
They bleed the Creed.

But you reject,
"Themselves they hang."
Then Tridentine
Intensed birth-pang

Where ev'ry Host
At elevation
Contracts our sons
Towards priest formation.

Who’ll daily offer
Red wine-blood
So devils of delegates
Drown in the flood

Of Catholic faithful
Sea at her shrine
Where past present future
Is all His Divine!

Christopher J. Paulitz said...

My family will once again participate. Now that our premature daughter is coming home from the NICU tomorrow we have lots of Rosaries to spare!

Martin Walker said...

I and my family will participate. Only good will come out of saying more rosaries. Though it hasn't officially begun yet, my wife and I offered our first one for this crusade tonight.

Anonymous said...

Russia has been consecrated and is in a process of conversion. This will culminate with the reunion of the Orthodox with the Catholic Church, an event that will happen in our lifetime for some of us. While there is definitely a need for reform in the Church and the TLM is part of that reform, the positions of the SSPX only serve to give traditionalists a bad name as extremists and radicals. I pray that the Society will be regularized but I don't see it happening. I don't think they have the humility. But regardless, it is always good to pray the rosary, so go ahead. Mary will just use it for something else.

Anonymous said...

Anon. 5.33:

The problem is that Russia has not been consecrated in the manner prescribed by our Lady. So our Lady has just used the inadquate consecrations for, in your own words, "something else".

As for humility, the S.S.P.X has chosen to be be humble rather than to be humbled. Sometimes, one must endure the cross of disobedience for the higher good of saving souls.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Anon. 5:33

"...an event that will happen in our lifetime for some of us."

Oh.. and you already know the due time... amazing!
I guess the same enlightenment you use to judge the SSPX...

>>>> sigh <<<<<

M.M.

Luka said...

"But the SSPX does not ask for the Rosary intentions for which Our Lady asked. It was for sinners that she specifically wanted prayers and sacrifices done. She did not say anything about Rosary intentions, or prayers or sacrifices to end evils against the Church."

Remember the fifteen rosary promises given to St. Dominic? Especialy promise #11: You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the rosary.

Paul Haley said...

Judge not lest you be judged. This is for those who seem intent on judging why others pray the rosary or what their intentions may be. It applies specifically to those who won't stop the hateful insinuations directed at the SSPX. For what it's worth I include the SSPX and all traditional priests professing loyalty to the Holy See in my daily rosaries and will continue to do so ad infinitum. So there!

Anonymous said...

Bp. Fellay wrote:

"What is to be done? For our part, what can we do, my dear friends? "Prayer and Penance" was the watchword given by our dear Heavenly Mother, the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, both in Lourdes and Fatima; these celestial instructions are still valid even more so today than when they were pronounced."/unquote

Bishop Fellay has left out the most important part of Our Lady's instructions regarding "Prayer and Penance." It was SPECIFICALLY for sinners that she asked for prayers, and for those in Purgatory. But Bishop Fellay says nothing of this; instead, he remakes Fatima and Lourdes to suit another agenda.

But then, praying for sinners, as Our Lady specifically requested, is not very glamorous, nor will it keep the faithful in a state of anxiety against legitimate Catholic authority, such as the campaign of Bp. Fellay will do; for that is what it is designed for, make no mistake about it.

Jordanes551 said...

The SSPX may experience a spike in communicants at their Chapels if The Upcoming Synod in Rome teaches that the Bible contains errors.

I don't remember what the next Synod of Bishops in Rome will be about, but the Synod discussed the Bible in October 2008, when the question of biblical inerrancy was raised and the bishops requested clarification. The Pontifical Biblical Commission was directed to prepare a study on the question, but who knows when/if that study will see the light of day.

The most recent news on this subject of which I'm aware, with links to previous Rorate Caeli posts, is here:

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/11/sacred-scripture-inspiration-and-truth.html

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 21:04

"However, this is not what Our Lady told the chiildren at Fatima to pray for."

A Bishop is asking for prayers for the Church and you and you "hair-split" in such a manner? I'm still scratching my head.....


Spartacus,

Thank you for what your wrote. Such honesty is rare.


Mr. Paulitz,

I am happy about your little baby!

God bless,

Barbara

Connie Summers said...

The Holy Father has published his exoration on the Synod regarding Sacred Scripture that took place in 2008. His exoration is called Verbum Domini and was released last November. You can read it on the Vatican web site or others. I have the PDF version and it is fantastic. Nothing about "errors" in the Scriptures, however.

As to the subject at hand, I have to say I find this embarrassing that the SSPX once again would use the Rosary and Our Lady as if she is at their beck and call. It is just astounding to me. I can't even wrapped my mind around it. It seems to me the SSPX simply did not get what it wanted out of the discussions with the Vatican and now they are whining with their tail between their legs, making these overblown dramatic claims that the Church is falling apart and no better than it was in 1986. That is simply false. There have been tremendous improvements throughout the United States, certainly where I live. These blanket statements that come from the SSPX leadership are misleading and irresponsible. Certainly there are still problems in the Church, more so in Europe, but not everywhere and it is deceptive to make such claims because so many of their adherents buy into it and that is unfortunate.

Pax et bonum

Woody said...

Amen, non-Spart. It's good to see you still commenting. Here is a link to a N.O. priest who seems to get it:

http://donotbediscouraged.com/holy-thursday-homily/

I will be participating in the Rosary Crusade too. Best to everyone for the Triduum.

John McFarland said...

Dear Jordanes,

As regards the eventually forthcoming pronouncement form the Pontifical Biblical Commission, I'd bet you twenty bucks against my life that the PBC's it will a longer and even more disingenuous equivalent of the International Theological Commission's abolition of Limbo a few years back -- except that it's immoral to bet on a sure thing.

But after all, it's not from the Holy Father; it's just from his hand-picked experts.

Anonymous said...

PKTP,
If the consecration made was not the one she asked for, then explain the fall of communism, the restoration of 20,000 Orthodox churches in Russia in the last 20 years, and the increasing influence of the Orthodox Church in the life and government of Russia. If Mary isn't leading Russia down a road of conversion, then I would say they are doing a pretty good job on their own.

John McFarland said...

Anonymous 16:56,

Communism fell because socialism doesn't work.

When communism fell, it was entirely predictable that the new powers that be would use the Orthodox Church to bolster their regime, just like the czars. Indeed, even Stalin and his successors were perfectly willing to support the Orthodox Church when it suited their purposes. In those days, most if not all of its hierarchy were on the KGB payroll, and that may well still be the case for whatever the monogram of the CIS secret police.

Last but not least, the Russian Orthodox are schismatics. Rejection of Peter's authority is a building block of their false religion. If they die in "Orthodoxy," they are going to Hell. It's better than communism, but it can't save.

rodrigo said...

P.K.T.P.,

Sometimes, one must endure the cross of disobedience for the higher good of saving souls.

It is interesting to re-read Clement XI's Unigenitus, which lists the condemned propositions of the Jansenist Paschasius Quesnel. Among them we find:

91. The fear of an unjust excommunication should never hinder us from fulfilling our duty; never are we separated from the Church, even when by the wickedness of men we seem to be expelled from it, as long as we are attached to God, to Jesus Christ, and to the Church herself by charity.

92. To suffer in peace an excommunication and an unjust anathema rather than betray truth, is to imitate St. Paul; far be it from rebelling against authority or of destroying unity.


I prefer to think of the SSPX's situation as one of "unresolved canonical irregularity, currently under review". To talk about enduring the cross of disobedience for a higher purpose is extremely dangerous; rare is the heretic or schismatic who has not justified his revolt in similar terms.

Anonymous @16:56,

explain the fall of communism, the restoration of 20,000 Orthodox churches in Russia in the last 20 years, and the increasing influence of the Orthodox Church in the life and government of Russia

No doubt the partial defeat of world Communism was a result of Our Lady's intercession. The growth in strength of a schismatic church, on the other hand... I think not. The conversion of Russia will necessarily entail the Catholicisation of Russia.

Guadalupe Guard said...

To bad Bishop Fellay (like many others)must tie the SSPX and traditionalism to a private revelation. As can be seen even on this small thread it sows discord and confusion.

I am not Spartacus said...

Thursday, April 14, 2011
PLENARY MEETING OF THE PONTIFICAL BIBLICAL COMMISSION
VATICAN CITY, 14 APR 2011 (VIS) - The Pontifical Biblical Commission will hold its annual plenary session from 2 to 6 May in the Domus Sanctae Marthae (Vatican City), under the presidency of Cardinal William Joseph Levada. Fr. Klemens Stock, S.J., secretary general, shall direct the work of the assembly.

According to a communique issued today, "during the meeting the members will continue their reflections on the theme 'Inspiration and truth in the Bible'. In the first phase of study the Commission will attempt to examine how the themes of inspiration and truth appear in the Sacred Scriptures. Subsequently, on the basis of their individual competences, each Member shall present a report which shall then be discussed collectively in the Assembly".
OP/ VIS 20110414 (130)

I am not Spartacus said...

Oops. I forgot to add I was wrong in calling it a Synod.
Sorry

Jordanes551 said...

Aha! I completely missed that report, I-am-not-Spartacus. So the work on the requested PBC study goes on. Let's pray that the PBC does its job well -- and that it doesn't just stop there at another nonbinding and possibly misleading or ambiguous study, but that the CDF prepares something substantial and edifying that the Pope can and will sign.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Russia again:
First of all, all Orthodox are not going to hell. Catholic teaching includes such provisions as baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, mortal sin requiring full knowledge and full consent, and the possibility of forgiveness outside of confession through perfect contrition. Plus, the Orthodox are only schismatic and still have valid orders and sacraments. Now lets look at a scenario. Imagine an island, unexplored, full of wars, cannibalism, human sacrifice, devil worship, etc. Now imagine a group of Orthodox missionaries preach and bring Christ and te sacraments to those people. Did they not experience a conversion even though it is not to the fullness of truth and grace found in the Catholic Church? Russia is changing. Communism was not just an econic system. It was a radical anti God, anti family agenda. Through the Orthodox Church, Russia is being transformed into a pro God, pro family nation. Are you all going to tell me that Mary has nothing to do with that? Also please note that I do not say that Russia has been converted, but that it is in the process, and I believe that through Mary's intercession that process could culminate with the end of the thousand year schism. I only ask all of you to prayerfully consider the possibility that the 1984 consecration did fullfill her request and that the Queen of heaven is slowly but surely molding Russia into a christian nation that will restore family values to the world. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

John McFarland said...

Anonymous 05:52,

"Only" schismatic?

Attachment to the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation. One in schism at his death is going to Hell.

I'm no theologian, but I think it at best highly unlikely that a schismatic could be invincibly ignorant. But in any event, invincible ignorance does not save.

If a schismatic achieves baptism of desire, he is no longer a schismatic.

The notion that "Orthodoxy" could be a path to the Catholic faith is completely misconceived. Rejection of the Pope's authority as infallibly defined at Vatican I is of the essence of Orthodoxy. In the eyes of the Orthodox, the Church of Rome's doctrine regarding that authority renders ROME heretic and schismatic.

As Jesus said, everything that planted by his Father in Heaven must be rooted up. To be a Catholic is to recognize that Orthodoxy has not been planted by his Father in Heaven.

When the Blessed Mother spoke of the conversion of Russia, she meant conversion to the Catholic Faith.

There is no other conversion.

Brian said...

Catholic teaching includes such provisions as baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, mortal sin requiring full knowledge and full consent, and the possibility of forgiveness outside of confession through perfect contrition.

This seems to summarize the the post-Vatican II gospel.

It is a shame that St. Paul and the other apostles were not astute and compassionate enough to realize these foundational provisions; their lives would have been much easier and the Church could have avoided all those nasty martyrdoms and those unsightly condemnations of heresy and schism.

LeonG said...

"It was for sinners that she specifically wanted prayers and sacrifices done. She did not say anything about Rosary intentions, or prayers or sacrifices to end evils against the Church."

You need to be reminded that Our Blessed Lady reminded us elsewhere, Akita, for example, that the enemies of the church are within & this is where the threat comes from - sinners in the church who promote their own agendas be they protestant, communist, gnostic and so forth. As a consequence the sinners without have no one to pray for their salvation either. A churchin "otal chaos" liturgically & pastorally divided by egoistical lukewarmness and indifference.
Perhaps if you read the whole of The Blessed Virgin's prognostications about the church today you would, with some mature reflection, understnad that we certainly do need a Rosary Crusade against the evils afflicting the church because as Padre Pio reminded us constantly the Rosary has been given special graces in our day i view of the more than parlous state of the edifice.

Bishop Fellay certainly has my support for a Crusade of The Holy Rosary. Indeed, one that obeys the call for The Consecration of an essentially atheist Russia on the doorstep of an engineered communist revival. In addition, a crusade that prays Our Blessed Mother protects us against the evils that oppress the church from without & within. May She help us to restore knowledge of sin and eternal punishment which has been neutralised by the post-conciliar church in its mistaken emphasis on unconditional love only together with unconditional forgiveness, without any discipline; with or without The Faith

Anonymous said...

Leon G,

At Akita, what did Our Lady ask for prayers for? At Fatima, what prayers did Our Lady ask for? Always she ask for prayers for sinners, for those in Purgatory, for priests. You mentioned the need for mature reflection. I try to reflect without having the Jansenist Catholic political blinders on, which would keep me only seeing one side, instead of Our Lady's view of things. If praying against the evils that afflict the Church is something that Our Lady wanted, she would have said so directly.

I cannot think of a better design to keep Catholics enslaved (to a particular agenda) than to have them continually dwelling on the "evils that oppress the Church." This is not what Our Lord came to do. However, It is what Judas wanted - freedom from Roman oppression, but Our Lord wouldn't go along with him on this. It was from sin that He came to deliver us, not from worldly oppressions.

The last campaign by Bp. Fellay was ignored by Rome, and apparently, Our Lady wasn't on board, either. If I were a gambler, I'd bet good money that she won't pay any attention to this latest campaign, but then it really isn't about what's best for the Church; it's about instigating antagonism against it. And, sadly, good Catholics are still falling for this, after 30 years.

Cruise the Groove. said...

"It was from sin that He came to deliver us, not from worldly oppressions."

Anon:

And only Christ working through His Body on earth, the Catholic Church can forgive sins.

The Fatima call to conversion and penance for sin is only accomplished by conversion to the Catholic Church, for "outside of Her there is no salvation".

Following the Mother of Gods mandate[ and therefore Gods] is not about "oppression" but rather about truth and freedom.
And guess what will set men free?

Russia has not converted to the Catholic Faith.
Russian Orthodoxy is in schism, and we all know what St Paul says about those in schism.
Living a life seperate from the Catholic Church is oppressive.
Not the converse.

M. A. said...

I will join this rosary crusade, though in my opinion, it will not be our present Holy Father who will carry out the proper consecration as requested by our Lady.

As she said, it will be done; Russia will be converted, devotion to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart will be placed alongside devotion to His Sacred Heart, and a period of peace will be granted to mankind.

As with Mexico in 1531, there will be no question whatsoever, that an entire nation owes its RAPID, miraculous conversion to our Heavenly Mother!

Anonymous said...

Cruise the Groove wrote:

"Following the Mother of God's mandate [and therefore Gods'] is not about oppression but rather about truth and freedom. And guess what will set men free?"

So...according to Our Blessed Mother, what did she ask the children to do to obtain what you term "truth and freedom?"

LeonG said...

Our Blessed Lady never ignores a Holy Rosary well-intentioned. The outcome may ot be that expected but the presumption it was not aswered is only that made by you. How do you know Rome has not heard? They may be doing little at present but they have certainly heard. The Christ told us to kep knocking at the door. Furthermore, He talked plenty about evil and sin in The Gospels and the need to be vigilant and pray. Your message that we live of the fatted calf nw rings hollow in the face of a world that is rapidly descending into chaos, the church with it.

You are the blinkered one, Anonymous. You only see what you want to see and no further because Our Blessed Mother is very concerned about Her Church which is decimated by lukewarmness, compromising hierarchs at each other's throats and unrepentant sinners, as well as the large number of us who do not recite The Rosary regularly. If you read the full story of all the approved apparitions then you will immediately comprehend that a bishop who calls us to recitation for worthy reasons and a worthy end will eventually have his prayers answered. The ultimate response is that The Immaculae Heart will triumph, as it will. In which case, how appalling that he seems to be only one of so few bishops making such an appeal the vast episcopal majority appear to resting on their laurels, so to speak, or have become indifferent.

Your superficial and ill-considered comments about Bishop Fellay, his Rosary intentions and the outcome are the consequence of your dislike for The Confraternity and its necessary mission to protect Sacred Tradition and The Holy Mass in Latin that is its beacon as well as its successful vocational and missionary activities. Without them tradition would look significantly more precarious than it does at present.

In such a context we can only applaud the appeal to prayer, sacrifice and penance. The SSPX has done that in abundance during its short history. Fortunately, they have many friends too.

chiapet said...

Neo-traditionalism out in force here once again. Amazing to see how many folks are still stuck in the 80s, with all this 'oh, that horrible SSPX' rhetoric.