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When will heads start rolling?

From LSN:


BY JOHN-HENRY WESTEN

VATICAN, April 11, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Italian-language version of a new Catechism designed for youth and to be distributed at this year’s World Youth Day in August incorrectly states the Catholic Church’s teaching on contraception, reports the Catholic News Agency (CNA). The English version of YOUCAT– short for “Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church” - does not contain the error.

CNA and EWTN News reported this morning that question 420 in the Italian, Q&A-format YOUCAT, slated for release on April 13, states:

“Q. Puo una coppia christiana fare ricorso ai metodi anticoncezionali?” (Can a Christian couple have recourse to contraceptive methods?)

“A. Si, una coppia cristiana puo e deve essere responsabile nella sua facolta di poter donare la vita.” (Yes, a Christian couple can and should be responsible in its faculty of being able to give life).

In the English version, however, question 420 reads:

Q. May a Christian married couple regulate the number of children they have?

A. Yes, a Christian married couple may and should be responsible in using the gift and privilege of transmitting life. [2368–2369, 2399]


The English version goes on to explain:
Sometimes social, psychological, and medical conditions are such that in the given circumstances an additional child would be a big, almost superhuman challenge for the couple. Hence there are clear criteria that the married couple must observe: Regulating births, in the first place, must not mean that the couple is avoiding conception as a matter of principle. Second, it must not mean avoiding children for selfish reasons. Third, it must not mean that external coercion is involved (if, for example, the State were to decide how many children a couple could have). Fourth, it must not mean that any and every means may be used.

While CNA reported that Vatican sources speaking on condition of anonymity had speculated that the original German (written by Christoph Cardinal Schonborn -- Pascal) might be to blame, Ignatius Press President Mark Brumley contradicted this statement. Ignatius Press is responsible for putting out the English-language edition of YOUCAT.

Brumley told LifeSiteNews that he did not recall any problems with the original German text. He noted that with all translations it is common to have an “editorial back and forth”; however, neither he nor his staff recall such over Question 420.

On the Ignatius Insight blog Brumley wrote: “The problem did not originate with the German text - at least not if the Italian translation is based on the same German text as that on which Ignatius Press based its translation. The German text of question 420 asks whether a Christian married couple may regulate the number of children they have. It does not ask whether the couple may use methods of contraception.”

YOUCAT, intended to be handed out to millions of youth attending World Youth Day in Madrid Spain from August 16-21, includes a foreword from Pope Benedict XVI.

“I beg you,” Benedict XVI writes, “study this Catechism with passion and perseverance … You need to know what you believe.” The pope adds in the foreword, “Yes…you need to be more deeply rooted in the faith than the generation of your parents so that you can engage the challenges and temptations of this time with strength and determination.”

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Even the English version is incomplete and misleading. Under Casti Connubii, regulation of family size was only to be made under the direction of a priest and, a fortiori, only natural means were to be used. Both points are conveniently omitted here.

This is the one point which should be clarified at World Youth Day events, where it is well known that the so-called youth fornicate in tents all night long in the very places where Mass is to be heard the next day. Such 'youth' are almost as unCatholic in spirit as our charismoronic jackasses are, not the mention the fools who were dense enough to buy into Medjugorje.

While they're at it, this Mozart Pope should condemn rock noise formally and announe the condemnation at the Next W.Y.D. extravaganza. No saint would have introduced these World Youth Days or Assisi heresy events.

P.K.T.P.

Augustine said...

Anonymous seems to be surprised at the presence of sinners in the wider church. Could he please supply the address of his own parish, as it is clearly free from all taint of sin?

My money's on St. Pelagius's Church, Tymion and Pepuza.

dcs said...

Under Casti Connubii, regulation of family size was only to be made under the direction of a priest

Would you mind citing the relevant passage of Casti Connubii?

LeonG said...

Heads do not roll in the post-conciliar church. Anyone who embarrasses is either moved sideways or they are rewarded.

Anonymous said...

Having been to various WYDs and being a friend and relative of many who did the same, I can attest that the claims about fornications "in tents all night long in the very places where Mass is to be heard the next day" as if they were the norm at such events are lies uttered by bitter people who are happy only when they can spit at the Pope and his flock.

What I have seen over the course of many, many years, is that a different youth is possible. The WYD during the 2000 Jubilee, for instance, drew admiration even from the secualrist press for the discipline and the seriousness of millions of young people peacefully invading Rome without a single incident worthy of notice.

I have seen and slept in hundreds of those tents and have been around just as many, and heard from others who did the same. We saw and heard prayers, laughters, joy, animated discussions on the faith. Some anti-Catholic rag spoke of the field "littered with condoms" the day after the H. Mass. But I was there, I was in charge of cleaning up several areas, and we couldn't find any sign of immoral activities whatsoever. For a place where 2M young people had spent several nights, it was uncommonly clean. I am not saying that sins were not committed. Heck people are who sin even when DURING Mass, thinking what ugly sinners all the rest are. When TLM or traditional practices have been offered at these events, the response has been overwhelming. Respect and courtesy form everyone, and a LOT of interest. You could hear an ant cough during our Holy Mass at Mariazell, and all those in attendanc were not traditionalists.

And then they wonder why we are seen as cantankerous pain-in-the-necks by all those who don't understand traditional liturgy, often without fault of their own. Shame on those who defame so many good boys and girls whose only fault was to grow up in such a confused age.

Anonymous said...

I am sure that Question 421 of the YouCat goes on to ask what forms of regulation are acceptable, and that is where you would see the teaching on natural regulation, in harmony with Pius XI and the others popes. Claiming that this answer is incomplete merely because it only answers the question of "whether" but has not yet posed the question of "how" would be like criticising the Baltimore Catechism for not including the answer to question #3 within the answer to the question to #2.

Anonymous said...

LeonG,

why worry about the "modernist post-conciliar" Church? You are obviously not part of any church whatever it is you think you're adhering to.

mundabor said...

This is pure V-II, JP-II, nuChurch half-heresy.

The english version is WILLINGLY MISLEADING and tries not to say things as they are.

The italian translator has "merely" drawn the consequences and translated what he thinks the english text really wants to say.

It is high time that Benedict's Church frees us from this unbearable cowardice.

Mundabor

Anonymous said...

Here we go again!

The Italian version is disgraceful and obviously deliberate, which makes it what?

I agree with P K T P the English version is ambiguous and incomplete, even after reading the explanation that follows.

Are we ever going to get out of this quagmire?

The people on the front-line of pro-life and work with the young (myself included) need this like a hole in the head!

I read in the article that this YOUCAT "intended to be handed out" at World Youth Day. Surely it will be corrected or better still, suppressed?

Barbara

Cosmos said...

Anonymous,

While WYD may be full of silliness, inadvertent immodesty, profane rock music, and "pop conservative" teachings, the idea that it is full of fornicating, un-catholic kids is just a little unhinged. Moreover, wherever there are people there is sin. There is also little doubt that many leaders in the Church have become disconnected with the Tradition and, therefore, pass on a lot of drivel with the true Faith. Nonetheless, most of the kids that go to these things are well-meaning, are trying to receive what their shepherds are giving them, and are responding to Rome's invitation. Why so little grace?

How can you claim to be so in tune with the Church's Tradition while you openly slander so many innocent teenagers.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 13:58

"why worry about the "modernist post-conciliar" Church? You are obviously not part of any church whatever it is you think you're adhering to."

You should be ashamed of yourself hurling such nastiness at someone you don't even know and who has the right to express his knowledge and thoughts on the present distressing situation in the Church. You are not obliged to agree with anyone here, but quit the vicious insults.

Barbara

Anonymous said...

Ants cough?

Delphina

I am not Spartacus said...

The modern Popes - after Pius XII - do not apologise for their own sins, errors, and failures; they apologise for the sins, errors, and failures of long dead Christian Catholics.

The radical imposition of a novel "orthopraxis" -of World Youth Days, Assisi Confabs, and No-Gospel-Preaching trips to Synagogues - continues apace and will do so for quite some time because there is no one, not one, in The Hierarchy who has the courage to say these novelties must cease and that we must restore all the Glories of Tradition to a Triumphant Catholic Church.

The idea that there is such a reality as a healthy sense of Triumphalism has, long ago, beginning visibly in the 1960s, been abandoned and there has been a movement among the modernists to substitute a false idea in its place - that any Triumphalism is a sin of arrogance and pride.

And that idea itself, is a form of arrogance because it was a tactic on the part of modernists to arrogate power to themselves so as to implement their ideas of what the Catholic Church should be.

So, no, there will not be any apologies forthcoming just like there were no apologies when the Pope imposed a Cross upon the Faithful with his personal public professorial theologising in his captious condom commentary.

After that rash personal commentary, he fled the scene and left everybody else to clean-up the mess he made.

We are living in absolute turmoil and when Dom Gueranger in, "The Liturgical Year," was writing about Pope St. Gregory the Great (March 12) he could have been writing about and describing the Church of today and the absence of ecclesiastical discipline -

"Assist it to maintain inviolate the sacred trust of faith; bless the efforts it is now making for the restoration of ecclesiastical discipline, without which all is disorder and confusion."

Now go back and read Pope John XXIII's Opening Speech at Vatican Two and understand the source of the disorder and confusion.

It BEGAN with the modern Papacy and its abandonment of its fundamental duty to discharge the authority given to it by Jesus (Matt 16, 18-19).

It is way past time for the Pope to apologise for the failures of the modern successors to St. Peter and to stop trying to impose a novel orthopraxis that has no continuity with Tradition or ecclesiastical tradition.

Anonymous said...

Looks to me like another accidently on purpose "mistake". (Which won't be corrected.)

Pascendi said...

More "little popes" going ballistic.... "traditional"? -- hardly.

Alvin said...

With Card. Schonborn as editor, what else would you have expected? Ambiguity is his middle name.

Anonymous said...

Wed, April 13, 2011 11:03:34 AMRESPONSE TO ANONYMOUS
From: CARLOS MARTINEZ View Contact
To: dupuy.charles@yahoo.com


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"But I was there, I was in charge of cleaning up several areas, and we couldn't find any sign of immoral activities whatsoever."

I wonder if Anonymous found particles or hosts of the Most Holy Sacrament in his cleaning efforts.

From what I have witnessed personally I am profoundly skeptical and worried about massive outdoors masses that distribute holy communion as if they were passing around a basket of cookies and I never attend those because I have witnessed the informal mood among the attendants, and the lack of respect for the ceremony.

At the time of my youth outdoor masses were very rare, and I do not recall having attended any, but post VII this is the fashion with New Church. Outdoor masses should not be celebrated, because of the problems with consecrating especially in windy or rainy weather.

The fixation of JPII with the young, for whom he was not a leader in a strict sense, but kind of an avuncular figure, led him to organize this massive encounters that are prone to every kind of abuse oblivious of the profanations of the Divine Sacrament. It seems to me that his penchant for massive celebrations and spectacles and his love of the stage prevailed over the necessary respect for the Holy Eucharist.