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For the record: "The innovation comes from the Roman side"

For the record: from today's edition of Le Figaro (by Jean-Marie Guénois - various sources), on tomorrow's meeting of Cardinal Levada and the superior direction of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) - this is the most relevant excerpt:

The great novelty comes from the Roman side. Le Figaro has learned that the Holy See could, for the first time, admit that these aspects fought by the "Integrists" are not considered as "essential" to the Catholic faith to the point of keeping outside the Church those who do not admit them. And that what has been foundational to the Catholic faith for twenty centuries is the sole [aspect] considered fundamental for communion with the Holy See, and not the interpretation from the last Council to this day.

Great autonomy of action

Another consequence: the Holy See, after it is verified tomorrow that Bishop Fellay and his faithful share the essence of the Catholic faith - which remains a demand and a sine qua non condition for Rome -, would propose to them a juridical solution so that the Fraternity of Saint Pius X is from this point forward considered a Catholic entity and not foreign to the ecclesial body anymore.

24 comments:

rodrigo said...

PRAY PRAY PRAY!

Ant. Ut omnes unum sint, sicut Tu, Pater, in me et ego in te, ut et ipsi in nobis unum sint; ut credat mundus quia Tu me misisti.

V. Ego dico tibi, quia Tu es Petrus,
R. Et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam meam.

Oremus.

Domine Iesu Christe, qui dixisti Apostolis tuis: Pacem relinquo vobis, pacem meam do vobis; ne respicias peccata mea, sed fidem Ecclesiae tuae; eamque secundum voluntatem tuam pacificare et coadunare digneris: qui vivis et regnas Deus per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen.

(From the 1957 ed. of the Raccolta, "A Devout Exercise of the Unity of the Church")

Benedict said...

Is it too much to hope that this may be true? Please God it is, and as rodrigo says above: oremus!

Anonymous said...

Once again, more remarks from a journalist and I repeat the admonition I made earlier - please avoid any speculation on what the meeting will entail. Pray that the Lord's Will be done. That is sufficient!

PEH

Anonymous said...

I remember Pope Benedict saying that dramatic gestures were sometimes needed for unity. I hope this is one of them!

Anonymous said...

Oh, Senor ayudanos, danos esta grandisima alegria. Gracias Dios mio

Anonymous said...

"And that what has been foundational to the Catholic faith for twenty centuries is the sole [aspect] considered fundamental for communion with the Holy See, and not the interpretation from the last Council to this day."

An ingenious way of saying that blanket "acceptance of Vatican II" is no longer required?

If this is an actual backing away from Vatican II as a super-council, it may have have ramifications way beyond just the SSPX.

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

This is too incredible to believe at the moment.

God's will be done.

Anonymous said...

If accurate, this news is exactly what we've been waiting for. All these years. It's too soon to crow, or to count our chickens (or whatever metaphor you prefer), but tonight we can hope and pray. And, if the news really is good, then let's not crow after all, but accept God's gift with gratitude and humility. It's only the beginning...

Anonymous said...

It's approximately 10 mins to midnight in Rome and the beginning of the day of September 14th. May this day prove to be the beginning of the beginning and not the beginning of the end as far as Tradition is concerned.

PEH

Steve said...

"If what I say to you is done, there will be peace." -Our Lady of Fatima

Even if the SSPX were in full communion right now, the Holy Father could never get all of the Bishops of the world to join him in a consecration of Russia.

After many nations (and Bishops?) are annihilated, it will be much easier for the Holy Father to gain a consensus.

Anonymous said...

Well, this first point is exactly what I predicted on this blog last year. It would be the 'Feeneyite' solution: declare that Vatican II novelties are 'authentic ' Catholic teaching but not necessary to Communion--and I do mean Communion, there being no such thing as 'partial communion'.

Bishop Williamson has already predicted this and given his response: 1 + 2 = 3 and exclusively 3. However, Rome could allow him to belileve this and yet withhold imposin it on others anew. The S.S.P.X cannot replace the Magisterium and the Magisterium cannot be constrained by any power on earth to decide any given matter. Of course, Bsp. W. and company (and I count myself in that compnay) are free to cite what the Magisterium has said in the past.... Quanta Cura, I love you! Syllabus of Errors, may I kiss you?

P.K.T.P.

HPA said...

I call your atention to the sentence chosen by laportelatine.org for Sept 14th (it's already Sept 14th in France):

"Si Rome veut nous donner une véritable autonomie, celle que nous avons maintenant, mais avec la soumission, nous le voudrions. Nous l’avons toujours souhaité : être soumis au Saint Père ; pas question de mépriser l’autorité du Saint Père." + Marcel Lefebvre

"If Rome wants to give us a true autonomy, the autonomy we have now, by with the submission [to the Pope], we would agree to it. We have always wished for it: being in submission to the Holy Pope; we cannot disdain the autority of the Holy Father". + Marcel Lefebvre

Anonymous said...

So, the cost of admission for the SSPX is the Church officially deciding that the pet issues of the SSPX are not essential to the faith? Would the SSPX accept those terms?

Anonymous said...

anonymous 20:34,

You have it completely backwards.

Anonymous said...

From the article: "the Holy See could, for the first time, admit that these aspects fought by the 'Integrists' are not considered as 'essential' to the Catholic faith"

Tom the Milkman said...

Holy Cross of Christ, be our Salvation!

Anonymous said...

It is indeed possible that Rome might, finally admit that the SSPX is fully Catholic, and that what is essential to our Faith is what has been held for the last 2,000 years....not just that was allowed for since the last Council.

If so, it would be a nail in the lid of Vatican II, and a cause for tremendous wailing and crying and sobbing from all the aged 60's, 70's 80's and 90 yr. old Cardinals, Bishops, priests, and nuns who have carried the torch of Vatican II for 50 years.

LET US ALL PRAY THAT THIS IS THE CASE, AND THAT WE WILL ON OUR KNEES THANKING GOD TOMORROW FOR SUCH A WONDERFUL OUTCOME FOR CATHOLIC TRADITION.

Woody said...

This is so good that I will have to wait to hear it from official sources before believing it.

As the late great J.P. McFadden used to say: oremus--and hard!

Anonymous said...

A nail in the coffin of Vat II ?? I don't think so. Perhaps its' abuse and misinterpretation and the lies attached to it. Don't expect it to be abrogated. As much as I do not like what happened after the Council closed I hope this conclusion will focus on ridding the Church once and for all of all the "spirit" nonsense and pulling from the ruins what did work or do well for the Church. And I think the Pope should look at that whole picture and make the Declarations and everyone else obey and re-educate people where we have been mislead..

Gratias said...

God will guide His Church.

Anonymous said...

Steve,

Good point, but how about trying to save the millions of souls which will be lost in the chastisement?

I have not read anywhere in any Catholic prophecy (I study them relentlessly) that there won't be a Chastisement and a Great Catholic King.

With God anything is possible of course but I don't think any correct consecration will be made of Russia. The true mass AND traditional Church available everywhere and unimpeded by the whims of a local bishop would help save many souls before the trouble ahead.

Mr. P. said...

Dear Anonymous 3:48,

Thank you for your comment!

Let's pray for full communion! Oremus ut omnes unum sint...ut credat mundus.

- Mr. P., a daily Mass attendee (Novus Ordo)

_________


Anonymous Anonymous said...

A nail in the coffin of Vat II ?? I don't think so. Perhaps its' abuse and misinterpretation and the lies attached to it. Don't expect it to be abrogated. As much as I do not like what happened after the Council closed I hope this conclusion will focus on ridding the Church once and for all of all the "spirit" nonsense and pulling from the ruins what did work or do well for the Church. And I think the Pope should look at that whole picture and make the Declarations and everyone else obey and re-educate people where we have been mislead..

14 September, 2011 03:48

Derechos said...

Ok... why many people hides behind "God's will be done!" (whatever happens!)

When the Christians Legions was to enter in war to recover from the mahoma-followers the lands (and the Faith of the people who lived there), they moto was "The TRUTH shall prevail... God's want it"... and entered on the combat with the mindset of WIN for the God's cause... If happened otherwise was not the 'God's will'... if you think that way, the Human race lost the grace and commited sin because 'God's will'

Change that mindset!

Derechos said...

This is the fight for the faith... not for public relationships...