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Is Benedict XVI going to Assisi III, or not?

The Pope's calendar for activities in October has one curious omission: there is no mention of any visit to, or activity in Assisi on October 27, although he will take part in a "Prayer in preparation of (sic) the Meeting in Assisi on October 26 at St. Peter's.

A recent report on EWTN also repeats the information (which seems not to have been adequately publicized) that Assisi III will not contain interreligious prayers. The final details of the event will be made public by October 18.


41 comments:

Anonymous said...

http://paparatzinger4-blograffaella.blogspot.com/2011/10/il-papa-andra-ad-assisi-in-treno-dalla.html




TM News.
Vatican City October 11th 2011


“There was a dress rehearsal this morning for the arrival and the departure of the train that will take Pope Benedict XVI to Assisi for an inter-religious meeting on the 27th October.
(………………………………………………………………………sorry don’t have time to translate all…)

The general progamme for the day in Assisi, published by the church (authorites) in Umbria forsees: the local government authorities welcome the Holy Father, who will then accompany him to Santa Maria degli Angeli, where there will be a commemoration ceremony of the previous encounters----------(………..)
There will be a frugal lunch (…..) in the afternoon there will be a time for silence and reflection (….) at the end of the meeting everyone will gather before the Basilica of St. Francis: here there will be a solemn, reciprocal renewal of committment to peace. (……………..)

These are the main points. I think this is a rumour based on an oversight... sadly.....

bp said...

Unfortunately:

"The train that will take Benedict XVI to Assisi in two weeks for the interreligious pilgrimage of peace, is doing trial runs in preparation for its prestigious passenger."

http://www.zenit.org/article-33653?l=english

Ferraiuolo said...

My inner optimist says: "I hope this MIGHT be true"

My inner realist says: "It's just a mistake"

My inner cynic says: "hahahaha"

In reality what are the odds?

Ligusticus said...

INCREDIBLE - just incredible:

http://www.unita.it/commenti/donfilippodigiacomo/ad-assisi-ma-senza-marketing-1.341416?listID=1.58920&pos=0


("Progressive" priest and commentator for Italian "L'Unità" newspaper -nota bene: once daily of the Italian Communist Party- criticizes quite heavily the 'Spirit of Assisi' and cheap irenism, praising at the same time ..."Dominus Jesus"!)

David Werling said...

Yesterday's Zenit article (dated 10/12) is about how the train, which WILL take the pope to Assisi, is making trial runs between the Vatican and Assisi, even going so far as to lay out how the train has to be hauled from the Vatican to overhead electric lines.

The Zenit article that CH refers to is dated 9/27, and I'm entirely sure it isn't faked.

Don't get your hopes up about this pope on this subject.

Anonymous said...

This news should prompt us to pray even more earnestly that this event will not take place

Colleen Hammond said...

ZENIT now is reporting that the "train that will take Benedict XVI to Assisi in two weeks for the interreligious pilgrimage of peace, is doing trial runs in preparation for its prestigious passenger."

Anonymous said...

Perhaps not! The fact that there will be no inter-religious prayers is a huge demotion for the "Assisi III" affair. Under John Paul II, Catholics, Protestants (ugh), the Orthodox, and Jewish people, not to mention all the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Confucians, etc. etc. and even African and Native American pagans all prayed together. Scandelous!!

And each leader from the Pope on down held little olive trees in a joint photo op. Talk about corny..I mean..nauseating.

Benedict XVI has class, style, and a sense of Catholicity and religious formality which precludes the possibility of another Assisi circus.

I would not be surprised if he does NOT go. The non-Christian groups might be offended....but the Protestants (already hurting from the Pope's less than warm embrace of them in Germany three weeks ago, will be devastated.

The Assisi circus I and II were perfect for them. It gave them a legitamacy to be with the Pope side by side. They will be very upset.
I hope Benedict does not go!!!

Anonymous said...

I guess it would depend on reaching an agreement with the SSPX. The Jewish Rabi made a statement that if an agreement was reached with the SSPX, they would not go to Assissi. It seems that the Vatican must be wondering what to do. We are supposed to know 10/18 if the Pope is going or not. (How come?)

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

From what I understood, the previous Assisi meetings did not contain interreligious prayers either. The scandal lies in erroneously acknowledging that prayers to the devils are efficacious for peace.

Anonymous said...

Hmm...is it a sin to hope for a train wreck such that no one comes to harm but it thwarts the Pontiff's inter-religious plans in Assisi?

Adfero said...

If only he would skip this ...

Jon said...

October 18th? Hmm...

Any word yet on the rumored gathering in Rome of archbishops on the 17th?

M. A. said...

If he doesn't go, I am still willing to go to Fatima to "walk" on my knees.

It doesn't really seem likely that such will be necessary, though. He'll wind up going.

I am not Spartacus said...

Too bad. I was hoping that Our Holy Father would not show-up for the 25th Anniversary of The Institutional Inculcation of Indifferentism

Cruise the Groove. said...

Cardinal Turkson: The Pope Will be Praying with Catholics, Not at Assisi

Edit: it looks like the Pope is going to be in Rome, praying with Catholics, and the Assisi meeting's going to be more of a cultural event.



President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace: This year's meeting of religious leaders will not include inter-faith prayers

Vatican (kath.net) "The emphasis this time is on a pilgrimage and not prayer," said Cardinal Peter Turkson, President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, to CNA.

On the 27th of October in Assisi, Pope Benedict XVI. has invited 200 representatives of all religions, but he's also invited representatives from science and culture.

"In fact, as I understand the program - and it's still going to happen - there will be no prayer, or very minimal," says the Cardinal, a native of Ghana, one of the main organizers.

The present title of the meeting is called "Pilgrimage of Truth, pilgrims of freedom". It will be the twenty fifth anniversary of the world peace meeting which was held by John Paul II in 1986.

Cardinal Turkson recalled why the meeting in 1986 had drawn criticism even on himself from some Catholics groups: while he and two other African priests were assigned a Rome at Cithy Hall and a few non-Catholics were allowed to have a Church. Events like this would have triggered protests at that time.

On the even of the meeting, a vigil will be held at St. Peter's Square. "thus, the prayer will not take place there (in Assisi), it will take place here (in Rome), and meanwhile, the Pope will be among his people, other Catholics."

In ASsisi there will be a time of silence for individual prayer after lunch. All will then go into the St. Francis Basilica, where each delegate will make a promise to peace.

Even representatives of culture and science, including atheists or agnostics have been invited by the Pope since peace, is "a concern for believers and non-believers".

FranzJosf said...

The calendar in question lists the Holy Father's liturgical commitments. There is to be no liturgy in Assisi and no common prayer, hence no listing.

Anonymous said...

God bless our Holy Father!

Delphina

Anonymous said...

"Benedict XVI has class, style, and a sense of Catholicity and religious formality which precludes the possibility of another Assisi circus."

Apparently you're unaware of the scandalous stadium Mass circus that he attended during his visit to America. Additional examples could be provided.

M. A. said...

"The scandal lies in erroneously acknowledging that prayers to the devils are efficacious for peace."
_______________________________

And an affront to, offense against,and rejection of God's very offer of peace to His Church and the world which He proposed through Our Lady at Fatima under very specific terms.

Today of all days, let us recall that God's peace has been entrusted to our Lady and it will be obtained only through Her, and not by means of interreligious, ecumenical gatherings with people who have no use for Her.

Jack said...

As I have said before, I believe that the Pope has a duty and right to reach out to the non-Catholic part of his flock any way he sees fit.

And while I'm here, please understand that I am as distressed and concerned about doctrinal and liturgical irregularities we hear about as anyone else here. I support the Extraordinary Form and the old piety, and I have NEVER said anything against either.

However, I am not sure that forming independent and parallel jurisdictions, such as SSPV, CMRI, or independent chapels is the way to do things.

I realize that SSPX is in a different category, and I sincerely pray that their irregular situation is resolved soon. The moment that happens, I will visit their local priory ASAP, and even try to go on an Ignatian retreat there, if God permits.

Br. Anthony, is it your belief that Orthodox and non-Chalcedonians pray to devils?

Most holy Theotokos, save us.

Jordanes551 said...

The scandal lies in erroneously acknowledging that prayers to the devils are efficacious for peace.

There has been no such acknowledgement. The scandal is that it has been *implied*, not "acknowledged.

Cruise the Groove. said...

"Apparently you're unaware of the scandalous stadium Mass circus that he attended during his visit to America. Additional examples could be provided."

Not Pope Benedict XVI fault.

I am not Spartacus said...

Any chance Our Holy Farther will be riding on Via Merry del Val in Assisi?

The symbolism would be stunning given who Rafael María José Pedro Francisco Borja Domingo Gerardo de la Santísma Trinidad Merry del Val y Zulueta was and the heroic give-no-quarter praxis of his monumental service to Holy Mother Church as The Perfect Secretary of State and his Heroic Tenure as The Secretary of the Supreme Sacred Congregation of The Holy Office.

http://www.assisionline.com/assisi__146.html

Anonymous said...

Such knit picking. Assisi III is being permitted with his knowledge and blessing whether the Pope attends physically or not. Until there is a public papal rejection of the whole mess this Supreme Pontiff is as complicit as his blessed predecessor.

Loyolakiper said...

How many of you have read the Zenit report of the train performing practise trips? This report has gone into great detail about which car the Holy Father will be riding in along with locations where the train will slow down...why?

Anonymous said...

Br. Anthony:

I have a friend from my parish who was young (22 in 1986) and was at Assisi. She's now 48, and works at my parish. She said that there WAS inter-religious prayer at Assisi I. Not by the Pope and religious leaders, but in dozens of churches, Franciscan friaries in Assisi, etc.
Catholic kids prayed Buddhist prayers in 1 12th century church with Buddhists, Hindus, and Protestants.

The only group of people who did not join in inter-religious nonsense she said were the Greek Orthodox, and the Muslims.

They were the only ones with good sense.

Anonymous said...

Random share with you people, just figure someone might care.

I'm sitting here reading a book about "religious knowledge" in my Scandinavian country. It's for a class I have to do, but that is beyond the subject. The book full of inaccuracies because of its secular and hostile viewpoint towards Christianity, but that is exactly what makes it so painfully truthful in other respects. I was fearing the moment that it'd happen, and then it did:

"[...] Preaching means to lay out and explain the teachings of the evangelium. But now a days ecumenical efforts have made it so that the differences between the two different masses [Roman Catholic and Swedish Church Protestant] are a lot smaller. A mass in the Swedish church, that has a Lutheran tradition, no longer differs much from one in a [C]atholic [C]hurch."

Remember this is from the viewpoint of a secularists. Ouch.

Lord have mercy.

Pascal said...

"The calendar in question lists the Holy Father's liturgical commitments. There is to be no liturgy in Assisi and no common prayer, hence no listing."

Not really, as the calendar also lists the General Audiences and Pastoral Visits.

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

Jordanes,

Yes, you are correct. Let me rephrase my statement.

The scandal lies in erroneously implying that prayers to the devils are efficacious for peace.

Anonymous said...

I bet that if the pope didn't go that some people would STILL complain. I say trust the Pope, and give the Vicar of Christ on earth some space, not to mention more respect.


Fr. A.M.

Anonymous said...

Attn. Jack:

Does any Pope have the right to kiss the Koran? If you believe so you are at odds not only with me but also Father Mitch Pacwa of EWTN. He answered yes when I asked him if Pope John Paul II was wrong to do so. This was in the presence of Father Anthony Salim during lunch whose benefit I asked the question for as he seemed incredulous that it ever happened. This occured at a family restaurant in Tampa FL in 2009.

Jack said...

\\Does any Pope have the right to kiss the Koran? If you believe so you are at odds not only with me but also Father Mitch Pacwa of EWTN.\\

Just what does this have to do with Benedict XVI using his pastoral discretion and initiative to reach out to the non-Catholic part of his flock at Assisi?

I thought that was the matter under discussion. Can we stick to it, please?

But to answer your question, I have no opinion about Bl. John Paul's kissing the Coran. While I was--and still am--puzzled by this action, God alone knows the motives of his heart.

As one of the Desert Father's said, "You have seen your brother's external faults. But have you seen his secret repentance and contrition?"

Most holy Theotokos, save us.

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F. said...

"I bet that if the pope didn't go that some people would STILL complain."

I would still complain because the calling of this event by the Holy Father is terrible in and of itself.

Anonymous said...

Attn. Jack:

Where did you get the idea that any Pope has the duty or right to do something wrong while reaching out to other Faiths? Pope Benedict XVI has limits to what he can do. Kissing the Koran is but one example of what he has no duty or right to do. It is wrong.

A.M. LaPietra

Dymphna said...

What scandalous outdoor Mass in America? I was at the DC Mass and the New York one was better than that. Didn't see any scandals.

Jack said...

\\Pope Benedict XVI has limits to what he can do. Kissing the Koran is but one example of what he has no duty or right to do\\

How many Corans has Pope Benedict XVI kissed? Please be specific.

There are NO limits to what a Pope may do, as he can dispense himself from any and all canons, though he is bound by his own discretion and prudence.

As I said earlier, kissing the Coran has NOTHING to do with the matter here being discussed, so can we drop it?

Most holy Theotokos, save us.

SkinnyBaldGuy said...

I think it's pretty stupid for people to think the Pope would call for the event then not attend because he finds it objectionable. This type of self inflicted neo-con/cath schizophrenia has got to stop.

Anonymous said...

Attn. Jack:

Let me ask one more time. Since error has no rights, where do you get the idea that a pope is exempt?

A.M. LaPietra

Anonymous said...

"There are NO limits to what a Pope may do, as he can dispense himself from any and all canons, though he is bound by his own discretion and prudence."

This is absurd and sounds like voluntarism. Does canon law regulate virtue? Can the pope dispense himself from truth? No. The pope has a moral obligation to espouse Catholic truth and protect his flock. He is called to live the life of virtue just like the rest of us. This includes acting prudentially and not causing scandal. Regardless of judging subjective intention, many Catholics have been scandalized by both the Koran-kissing incident and the prayer gatherings organized at Assisi. So you appear to be saying that either a pope is justified in these actions (voluntarism) or that they are not objectively scandalous. If so, I think you are wrong either way.

Sobieski

Anonymous said...

There are NO limits to what a Pope may do, as he can dispense himself from any and all canons, though he is bound by his own discretion and prudence.

Surely you don't believe this and mean it only in the context of preaching the gospel and saving souls. He will be judged like all of us and the "NO limits' would apply only to those good ends for which the papacy was left to us.

Kyrie Eleison!

PEH