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Priests to face east at ordinariate Masses
21 October 2011

Masses celebrated by priests in the ordinariate are likely to be ad orientem, according to one of its leaders. While the liturgy for the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham has yet to be approved by the Holy See, Mgr Andrew Burnham said the Congregation for Divine Worship "is likely to commend eastward celebration, when the dynamic of the building suggests it". Mgr Burnham also said that it may also recommend kneeling at mention of the Incarnation during the Creed.


(The full text of the talk of Msgr. Burnham can be found at the Ordinariate Portal.)

19 comments:

Cruise the Groove. said...

Hopefully this means ad orientem will soon be mandated with reformed NO missal everywhere.

Woody said...

Of course, in the Anglican Usage in the US, all of the Masses are ad orientem now. For those of the commentariat of this fine blog who are still mired in misunderstandings of the Book of Divine Worship, which, while in use now as an interim measure, looks to be replaced both in the OOLW and the forthcoming US Ordinariate (to be erected by year end, as it is reported Cardinal Wuerl said in Scotland a couple of weeks ago), I would also recommend Fr. Christopher Phillips' presentation to the conference in Phoenix recently, which may be found, I believe both at the Ordinariate Portal and The Anglo-Catholic blog here in the US. Hopefully the bugaboos of the N.O. offertory prayers and formula of consecration will soon be behind us.

For me, and especially given some of the other discussions here at Rorate recently, one of the take-away quotes from Msgr Burnham was the following:

"The other place to go to is The Spirit of the Liturgy,[3] the permanent gift of the then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to liturgical theology. The way that the burden of this book is, in equal measure, revered and ignored in the Catholic Church shows both the strength and the vulnerability of the Petrine ministry. Too many otherwise loyal Catholics seem to regard the Holy Father as being old-fashioned and slightly out-of-touch in liturgical matters – why else would they disregard what he says? – whereas he is pointing forward to a new synthesis, when what has been a pendulum of reform will settle and become a plumb-line of a rich eucharistic spirituality, expressed in a glorious liturgy."

Ben Vallejo said...

This pops the SSPX criticism that says the Ordinariate liturgy is nothing but the NO with Shakespeare!

Anonymous said...

"This pops the SSPX criticism that says the Ordinariate liturgy is nothing but the NO with Shakespeare!"

Not to mention a certain poster who claimed that Rome had betrayed the Ordinariates.

Anonymous said...

"What was electrifying, for both traditionalists surely and progressives, was the celebration of Mass at the change of Pontificate: both the Funeral Mass of John Paul II and the Installation Mass of Benedict XVI were strikingly beautiful, reassuringly traditional and yet thoroughly conforming to Novus Ordo Missae."

The Novus Ordo Missae electrifies Traditionalists?

Jack Orlando said...

Well, said, Ben Vallejo at 21 October 2011 15:43, and Anonymous at 21 October 2011 16:07. Holy Father has not betrayed neither the Ordinariates nor the TLM.

We will see the aging Liberals fight to the end, yet the demographic solution will take care of them.

Jon said...

Anonymous 16:30 said: "Please consign the Low Mass to history."

I have to disagree.

A High Mass is most fitting for Sundays. But during the week, hearing Browning's "blessed mutter of the Mass" in my gothic FSSP chapel on a cold winter's morning while snow lies thick on the ground is one of the most sublime experiences of my life.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. I recently heard of an incident when an Ordinariate Priest was concelebrating with a Catholic Priest. The Ordinariate chap didn't add the fragment of the host to the Precious blood, even though the Catholic Priest nudged him and tried to remind him to do so. Afterwards, when quizzed about it, the Ordinariate Priest said "Oh I don't bother to do that, as I've never done it"
This shows that not all Ordinariate Priests are truly Catholic in their thinking, neither have they all rejected the errors of their former days...
Elizabeth.

Lautensack said...

This reform has not arrived in the Holy Father's former diocese ...

In Munich two parish churches in the centre are very orthodox, and the High Altar is still in daily use (although for Novus Ordo). However, recently a priest with a rather 'interesting' reputation has been appointed as administrator of one of these parishes, and in an interview he stated that he hoped to install a versus populum communion table.

Anonymous said...

Some would say that a Priest inclined to concelebrate is not very Catholic in his thinking.

Pascal said...

'\\Anonymous 16:30 said: "Please consign the Low Mass to history."

I have to disagree.\\

Recited Liturgies are practically unknown in the Eastern Churches, especially the Byzantine ones.'

Jack: so?

We're talking here about the Latin Rite, not the Eastern Rites.

Anonymous said...

When the Ordinariate comes to town, I am going to go their Masses for English and the Tridentine Masses for Latin and Sacred Tradition. Wouldn't that be totally awesome, meet people and make friends at two different parishes whom both believe in Roman Catholic Tradition albeit in two distinct approaches. Well, then again, we have to ask what it is I'm smoking. This is Los Angeles, and despite new letterhead, much else remains the same, much to a universal chagrin. God bless the Ordinariates though. I pray the SSPX will find as much open arms as the converting Anglicans do.

Cruise the Groove said, "Hopefully this means ad orientem will soon be mandated with reformed NO missal everywhere."

Unfortunately, not with our present Holy Father. Too much water has flowed down the Tiber for him suddenly to make such a grand declaration. He can't even seem to enforce (willingly or unwillingly) his own Motu Proprio, as we have just discussed in another entry and elsewhere. Add to that, the so narrow a window of appeal as dictated in SP's Clarifications. I have a feeling that clause will be so absolutely observed to the letter.

Yes, I think the RCA Ordinariate Masses will be the best example of a vernacular Mass. Walsingham, Houston, and Atonement, San Antonio, are fine examples of this.

Some person said, "Some would say that a Priest inclined to concelebrate is not very Catholic in his thinking."

At a conference the Holy Father held with his Diocesan priests as their Diocesan bishop, the Holy Father was asked about concelebrations, especially at huge venues, and the Pope replied it is perhaps not what the Lord had in mind.

Jack Orlando said, "Well, said, Ben Vallejo at 21 October 2011 15:43, and Anonymous at 21 October 2011 16:07. Holy Father has not betrayed neither the Ordinariates nor the TLM."

One does have to consider this concept. If a rule is not being enforced, then what is the attitude toward the rule? Is Summorum Pontificum being enforced? Are his bishops being brought under submission?

Prayerfully,

Matt

Anonymous said...

Did anyone bother to read Msgr. Burnham's words carefully? When you peel away all the overparticulate, he's saying that the English Ordinariate will 'use' the Novus Ordo as its Mass text FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. (Does he have the authority to prevent ordinariate priests from using the T.L.M. or the defective B.D.W.? No, but no matter.) After, that, he's hoping to find something with some Anglican patrimony in it.

Meanwhile, the coming ordinariate for the U.S.A. will be using a Book of Divine Worship that is seriously flawed even by the admission of Fr. Christopher Phillips, the first Anglican Use priest. The Anglican bits come not from the traditional 1928 American Prayerbok but mostly from the 1979 low-quality knock-off. Even worse, it has the Novus Ordo Offertory--and in non-sacral English (thereby clashing wtih the rest of their liturgy)--an Offertory that is Protestant and Freemasonic in implication and in spirit and which makes no mention whatever of the Divine Victim. It was put there by Bugnini to imply that the Mass is only a commemoration of the Lord's Supper and a sacrifice not of our Blessed Lord but only one of thanksgiving and praise. It is truly a Lutheran work, with a Cranmerian "spiritual drink" and sci-fi Teilhardian "human hands". It puts emphasis not on what God has done for us but on what we have done for Him. Where would He be today without Bugnini and without us?

So they get to face east and genuflect in the Creed. Big deal. Any N.O. can be said facing east with Chant. This is smells and bells. The Novus Ordo Anglicans of England will try to say the N.O. with smells and bells and facing east and kneeling for communion, with a little chant thrown in for good measure and no hugathon at the Pax. They hope that this will fool some people.

It's a fraud. Until the N.O. Offertory is removed or at least made optional to the real thing, it's not a Rite that truly has a Catholic character.

Meanwhile, the real traditionalist Anglicans of the TAC have been stabbed in the back by the curia and are now out in the cold in England. They are the Anglicans who are truly Catholic in intuition and sensibilities. That makes them heretics to the Marxist and Modernists who now run our episcopate.

P.K.T.P.

Woody said...

Peter, do you have any particulars that you could share with us about the TAC folks in England? It has all been very quiet lately as far as I can tell, and I, too, have been wondering...

Anonymous said...

Anon. 16.07:

Rome HAS betrayed the ordinariates.

Look, Msgr. Burnham has just said it directly on "The Anglo Catholic" blog: the Ordinariate of our Lady of Walsingham will use the NOVUS ORDO for the NEXT THREE YEARS, and there is no guarantee of what they will get after that. Rome has REFUSED to approve Msgr. Burnham's proposed liturgy, and that, as far as anyone knows, did not have the Traditional Roman Offertory in it in any event. Moreover, it likely had parts in it from the ... Novus Orod. Welcome to the Novus Ordo.

Msgr. Burnham says that the Ordinariate clergy will use the N.O.M. for he next three years for Mass. By what authority can he determine this? Article III of "Anglicanorum Cœtibus" says that ordinariate clergy can use any approved Mass text of the Roman Rite. That includes the T.L.M. in Latin and it includes the B.D.W. in English. Arguably, it even includes Sarum.

The 55 Novus Ordo Anglicans of Forward-in-Faith have total control of the ordinariate. Meanwhile, the 24 TAC priests of England, with their celibate Bishop Mercer, are shut out. The TAC sent a truly TRADITIONAL Mass text to Rome at Pentecost, 2010. It had in it the TRADITIONAL ROMAN OFFERTORY that we have in the T.L.M. and the ROMAN CANON in sacral English. Where is it? Why hasn't Rome approved it for us? There, my friend, is the betrayal.

The TAC people approached Rome long before the FiF hypocrites did in 2006. The TAC bishops went to Rome two or three years before then. Why have they been excluded? Bishop Mercer, who is a former Anglican Bishop and is celibate, could now be a Catholic Bishop and perhaps the personal ordinary for England. Not a chance!

Meanwhile, in the U.S.A., they have the Book of Divine Worship with the N.O. Offertory with its Protestant flavour. Fr. Phillips says that change is coming to that Book but he does not have the authority to approve such change. Rome could have approved the TAC book of 2010. Why has she not done so?

Yes, it's a betrayal, and who knows what they'll get in the end. What matters is the text, not the smells and bells and the direction of worship. Those other things are important but the texts are what is crucial. They have a Mass text that is poisoned by Bugnini's noxious unCatholic hand.

P.K.T.P.

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Anonymous said...

Pascal said...
'\\Anonymous 16:30 said: "Please consign the Low Mass to history."

I have to disagree.\\

Recited Liturgies are practically unknown in the Eastern Churches, especially the Byzantine ones.'

Jack: so?

We're talking here about the Latin Rite, not the Eastern Rites.


I belong to a Byzantine parish, and we have always had recited liturgies. Same is true of the parish I attended before we moved out of state. Sung liturgy is reserved for Sundays. Recited liturgies occur more frequently.

Anonymous said...

On the Byzantine Rite, in my local Ukrainian parish, they have long tried to have the Mass (Divine Liturgy) sung even on weekdays when few are present. However, the Liturgy has had to be recited instead on a number of occasions and, under certain priests there, as the norm. I think that a sung Divine Liturgy is supposed to be the norm but you can't force people to sing and some simply cannot. We sing in our hearts.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

ORDINARIATES

By the way, as far as I know, most of those who remain in the TAC in Canada are now in formation to enter the Catholic Church. They don't know if they will be entering an ordinariate. They trust in God and our Lady. They may have to settle for the pastoral provision or even less. They don't know if they'll be entering an ordinariate for Caanda, they may have to enter one in the U.S.A., a foreign country whose Anglicans follow a foreign liturgical custom. They trust in God and our Lady. They might have to settle for bits and pieces of the Novus Ordo trainwreck in their future liturgy. They have no idea. They trust in God and our Lady. Of course, there must be some who will find that they cannot, in good conscience, say any part of Bugnini's composition. Kyrie eleison. They try to find a way out.

These are a section--the Canadian section--of a group which went to Rome and pleaded for admission in the early 1990s. They did not wait until 2006 and they did not try to find a place in the Canterbury Conventicle of Heretics right to the last minute. They did not say no to womanbishop and yet yes to womanpriest, like hypocrites.

Their reward must be in Heaven because it sure as hell isn't here on earth, thanks to William Cardinal San Francisco, who did nothing at all to figh (the sodomites of California and forbade the Latin Mass there when all the other bishops allowed it) and his Maltese lawyer, Msgr. Scicluna, and thanks to Sir Reverent Prelate of Toronto, the wannabe Cardinal who lacks the milk of human kindness. But this Pope cannot seem to set things right. I would ask him to hire a couple of extra food-tasters, get a bullet-proof capsule for walks in the Vatican gardens and give it one last push. He's nearly 85 now. If the liberals don't get him soon, the Grim Reaper will anyway. Just do the Consecration asked for by our Lady, Your Holiness. Just ban communion in the hand and communion standing. Just make it official at law that Society Masses fulfil the Sunday obligation. And just let these good Anglicans have a Mass that preserves their patrimony and does not spoil it with Bugnini Protestantism. Leave the rest to us.

P.K.T.P.

LeonG said...

As I have stated in many places on countless occasions - to agree to the notion of a "reform of the reform" we have to assume what first occurred was actually a "reform". If this is not sustainable as a hypothesis then it is unreformable.