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The Vienna Chronicles: another priest thrown under the bus

[Updated] The Cardinal of Vienna, like the battery bunny, just keeps going, and going, and going...

From Die Presse:

Archdiocese confirms homosexual parish council member

The 26-year-old who lives in a registered homosexual partnership, may now belong to a parish council in the Weinviertel [region].

The Archdiocese of Vienna confirmed on Friday the election of a 26-year-old homosexual council member in the Stützenhofen municipality of the Weinviertel [region, north of Vienna]. The case had triggered a heated debate. Florian Stangl, who lives in a registered partnership, had been elected in mid-March, and, although chosen by a large majority of the population,had been rejected by the local priest because of his way of life. The diocese has specifically approved the first such case. Cardinal Christoph Schönborn also met Stangl and his partner.


Press Statement by Archbishop Christoph Cardinal Schönborn on the problems of the parish council elections in Stützenhofen

I thank all the people who have put forth their candidacy in the parish council elections, they are the church and faith is a big concern [for them]. They witness the vitality of the Church. In their diversity, they reflect the diversity of today's way of life and faith. ...

In the personal conversation I had with Mr. Stangl, I was impressed with his pious atitude, his humility and his firm willingness to serve. ... [Update: Read full statement here.]

Father Gerhard Swierzek, who had blocked the young man's presence in the Council, also asked Stangl not to receive Holy Communion (Catholic Culture, which mentioned that the Archdiocese had backed the priest - not at that time, and certainly not now... Perhaps because the sin is not "manifest"?...)(Tip: Secretum meum mihi)

27 comments:

P.K.T.P. said...

The priest should simply refuse to communicate him and then deliver a few spirited denunciations of sexual inversion from the pulpit. As for the parish council, he could simply dissovle it by fiat. While priests are enjoined to have such councils, they are not mandatory. Better not to have a council at all than to have someone like that on one. Lastly, the priest could decide pointedly to ignore everything this man says on the council, since parish councils only have a consultative voice. Of course, this priest will be moved in any event. Better for his soul that he were.

Yawn!

P.K.T.P.

Francis said...

Schoenborn is a recalcitrant modernist heretic. Yet he is a favorite of Pope Benedict XVI. While faithful Catholics like Bishop Fellay and the SSPX need to sign a "doctrinal preamble" to come into "full communion" with Rome apostates like Schonborn are held in high esteem and can deny and abridge basic Catholic dogmas at will with no consequences. And Satan laughs. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle....

LutherLover said...

I think the Cardinal is a little light in his buskins, too. He seems far too tolerant this sort of scandal.

Knight of Malta said...

Like Archbishop Sheehan of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe (Fanta Se), Schonborn is light in his loafers!

Ecclesia Militans said...

I can only say that once the modernist crisis is over and the Holy Office of the Inquisition re-established, we can be sure that they will have a lot of work.

As for the poor priest, this is just another signal for him that he should not trust in the Conciliar hierarchy, but rather go to the Society, if he wishes to be faithful to the Tradition of the Church.

The progressives are in motion. They control the Church. Who do you think they will elect after Benedict XVI? A traditionalist? Or perhaps someone who will grant their requests regarding married priests, "women priests", sodomites etc. etc.?
How many (slightly) traditional cardinals do you know - do you need one or two hands to count them?

The Church is in for even worse times. Do not put your trust in men, men have failed.
Only Our Lord and the Immaculate Heart of Mary can help us now.

Ligusticus said...

Francis wrote: "While faithful Catholics like Bishop Fellay and the SSPX need to sign a "doctrinal preamble" to come into "full communion" with Rome apostates like Schonborn are held in high esteem and can deny and abridge basic Catholic dogmas at will with no consequences."


...Well, once signed the "doctrinal preamble" to come into "full communion" with Rome, prelates like Schoenborn will be held generally in less esteem (by the faithful and Rome) and it won't be possible for them to deny and abridge basic Catholic dogmas at will with no consequences.

(That's why Fr. Schmidberger is so right..)

Ecclesia Militans said...

Ligusticus,

I am afraid you are wrong. Bringing the SSPX in Rome's area of influence would not make the progressives any less esteemed. The current policy of Rome is "big tent Catholicism" - accept everything and everyone, with their particular "charism".

So, I am afraid the SSPX (and Tradition in general) would be regarded as just one of the many "legitimate" options to choose from, including the neo-cathecumens, the charismatics, Opus Dei etc.

Peterman said...

Schoenborn again? Last year it was the country bbq themed outdoor mass.
I read somewhere that he has or would have a royal title and this is why he get away with so much shall we say..oddities.

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Long Viewer said...

Imagine what serious, committed Catholics who live 500 years from now are going to think looking back on this era.

Shane said...

Why is Ignatius Press still publishing this man?

Long-Skirts said...

Cardinal Shonborn said:

"they are the church"

When I was still in the Novus Ordo in the late 70's and 80's how many time did the priests tell us "You are the Church"...well if I am the Church I would like to excomunicate you, Cardinal and many others.

Peter said...

What is going to happen to the poor priest who has to refuse the Cardinal communion?

an Austrian priest said...

I've always defended our Cardinal before, but this really proves me wrong with a vengeance. So shocking. You cut out the most pathetic part of the archdiocesan statement, the attempt to pretend that this will not weaken the Church's witness to Her teaching on marriage: "There are many parish-council members (in the archdiocese) whose life-styles do not in every way realize the ideals of the Church. But with regard to the total witness of their lives, and their attempt to live the Faith, the Church rejoices in their efforts. She does not thereby put doubt on the ideals"

("So gibt es auch unter den Pfarrgemeinderäten viele, deren Lebensentwürfe nicht in allem den Idealen der Kirche entsprechen. Im Blick auf ihr jeweiliges Lebenszeugnis in seiner Gesamtheit und auf ihr Bemühen um ein Leben aus dem Glauben, freut sich die Kirche über ihr Engagement. Damit stellt sie die Ideale nicht in Frage.")

I can only quote the Apostle: "Though they know God's decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them." (Rom 1:32

Jonvilas said...

Well, what to expect from modern day jesuits. They have betrayed both, Jesus and his Church. However, in this case I agree with Ligusticus, that
"once signed the "doctrinal preamble" to come into "full communion" with Rome, prelates like Schoenborn will be held generally in less esteem (by the faithful and Rome) and it won't be possible for them to deny and abridge basic Catholic dogmas at will with no consequences."
As Fr. Schmidberger has earlier pointed out, it is in the great need for the whole church

Lynda said...

Shocking. It ought to be made clear that persons on pastoral councils must accept Church doctrine on faith and morals. They either do or they don't. A person who is manifestly and obstinately persisting in mortal sin to the point of legalising his immoral relationship and presenting it as somehow legitimate within the Church (even to the Cardinal) is manifestly unfit and manifestly undermining the faith in the parish and beyond. The priest ought to disband the Council and complain to Rome. Shame on the Cardinal. Actions such as this by Bishops are ruining the local Church and causing many souls to be lost.

J. G. Ratkaj said...

THe germanic churches have gone bankrupt doctrinally, morally and economically. And Count Schoenborn is the prime curator of the liquidation.

NIANTIC said...

Anger, despair, hatred, are the immediate reaction upon reading this sickening news. Pride and arrogance rule the Church everywhere. The few faithful traditional priests are purged. The laity is subject to wolves in sheepscloth. And not a peep from the Vatican. Where is the Apostolic voice to denounce these miserable "pastoral" men? We seem to have to wait in vain. Oh Lord how long will You allow this to go on. Your faithful people are crying out to You! Have Mercy on your people!

Matthew Bellisario said...

Why does Ignatius publish Balloon-boy Schon? They also publish von Balthasar and a host of other questionable authors. While Ignatius Press publishes some decent stuff, you have to be careful. Just look at their best selling YouCat, which is a scandal unto itself. The Church is polluted by modernists, end of story.

Long-Skirts said...

The Cardinal of Vienna said:

"...they are the church...In their diversity, they reflect the diversity of today's way of life..."

PERMITTING
PRINCES

Debased, depraved
Demoralized, debauched -
Virtuous faithful
Scrutinized, watched.

Debauched, demoralized
Depraved, debased -
Prince sends priests
Away disgraced.

All authentic
Approved, diverse -
Conjugal love, now
For perverse.

For "we" the Church
Do validate -
With anyone
Cohabitate.

While permitting Princes
Clutching their purse -
Dialogue with their minions…
As for Hell they rehearse!

dcs said...

Ecclesia Militans:
As for the poor priest, this is just another signal for him that he should not trust in the Conciliar hierarchy, but rather go to the Society, if he wishes to be faithful to the Tradition of the Church.

So he ought to simply abandon his flock to the wolves and seek new sheep elsewhere? What is traditional about that?

philip said...

I think it is wrong to say that the Cardinal is light in his buskins, or Abp. Sheehan light in his loafers. I don't agree with the Cardinal, but one should not say such things.

Jeremiah Methuselah said...

"Imagine what serious, committed Catholics who live 500 years from now are going to think looking back on this era."

Probably the same as I think reading it tonight, I'd say.

Ecclesia Militans said...

dcs,

Let him rather do his duty and instruct his flock where to find the truth in these dark times.
It is certainly not in the conciliar novelties.

This way he will not save only his soul but many others who do not know that the modernists have overthrown the Truth - Holy Tradition, and who do not know of anything but the Novus Ordo.

If a priest is going along with the modernism and not warning his faithful, how exactly is he fulfilling his duty?

Perhaps this priest does not yet know that by his adherence to the modernist hierarchy he is putting souls in danger.

Alsaticus said...

Schönborn is regularly listed among the possible successors of Levada at the helm of CDF.

Really frightening perspective.

Lee Lovelock-Jemmott said...

Cardinal Schoenborn should had been made to sign with absolute fealty the Oath Against Modernism and Syllabus of Errors... Oh I forgot, if he was made to, he would have to step down and stop exercising his faculties. This man has manifest heretical tendencies !!!

Diane said...

Alsaticus said: Schönborn is regularly listed among the possible successors of Levada at the helm of CDF

Right. And some even still consider him papabile.

Not to worry. God may be permitting this very public scandal to happen to ensure those things don't happen. In some ways, silent scandals - those that happen below the radar - are more damaging because cardinal-electors, and those responsible for bringing bishops into powerful positions in Rome may not know about a man's wayward thinking. Much of what Maciel did was hidden and look at the damage it caused.

I'm deeply troubled by this development, but I'm glad he made his position known publicly where it can get the necessary coverage.