From the Order of Preachers Vocations blog, which is run on behalf of the Dominican Province of St. Joseph in the USA:
Via our provincial, Archbishop Augustine DiNoia sent an email to the friars, sisters and Dominican fraternities to pray the Litany of the Dominican Saints for the reconciliation of the Society of St. Pius X.
Litany of Dominican Saints and Blesseds
(litany was updated July 2012)
~ PRINTED VERSION ~
Lord, have mercy. ~Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy. ~Christ, have mercy.
Christ, hear us ~Christ, graciously hear us.
God, the heavenly Father, have mercy on us.
~God, the heavenly Father, have mercy on us.
God the Son, Redeemer of the World, have mercy on us.
~God the Son, Redeemer of the World, have mercy on us.
God the Holy Spirit, have mercy on us.
~God the Holy Spirit, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.
~Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.
Holy Mary, ~Pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of Virgins,
Saint Michael,
Saint Gabriel,
Saint Raphael,
Saint Joseph,
Saint John the Baptist,
All you holy angels and archangels,
All you holy patriarchs and prophets,
All you holy apostles and evangelists,
All you holy martyrs,
All you holy virgins and widows,
All you holy men and women,
Saint Mary Magdalene,
Saint Catherine of Alexandria,
Saint Augustine,
Holy Father Francis,
Blessed Jane of Aza,
Blessed Reginald of Orleans,
Holy Father Dominic,
Holy Father Dominic,
Blessed Bertrand,
Blessed Mannes,
Blessed Diana,
Blessed Jordan of Saxony,
Blessed John of Salerno,
Blessed William and Companions,
Blessed Ceslaus,
Blessed Isnard,
Blessed Guala,
Blessed Peter Gonzalez,
Saint Zdîslava,
Saint Peter of Verona,
Blessed Nicholas of Paglia,
Saint Hyacinth,
Blessed Gonsalvo,
Blessed Sadoc and Companions,
Blessed Giles,
Saint Margaret of Hungary,
Blessed Bartholomew of Vicenza,
Saint Thomas Aquinas,
Saint Raymond of Penyãfort,
Blessed Innocent,
Blessed Albert of Bergamo,
Saint Albert the Great,
Blessed John of Vercelli,
Blessed Ambrose,
Blessed Cecilia,
Blessed Benvenuta,
Blessed James of Varazze,
Blessed James of Bevagna,
Blessed Benedict,
Blessed Jane of Orvieto,
Blessed Jordan of Pisa,
Blessed Emily,
Blessed James Salomonio,
Saint Agnes of Montepulciano,
Blessed Simon,
Blessed Margaret of Castello,
Blessed Augustine Kazotic,
Blessed James Benefatti,
Blessed Imelda,
Blessed Dalmatius,
Blessed Margaret Ebner,
Blessed Villana,
Blessed Peter of Ruffia,
Blessed Henry Suso,
Blessed Sibyllina,
Blessed Anthony of Pavonio,
Saint Catherine of Siena,
Blessed Marcolino,
Blessed Raymond of Capua,
Blessed Andrew Franchi,
Saint Vincent Ferrer,
Blessed Clara,
Blessed John Dominic,
Blessed Alvarez,
Blessed Maria Mancini,
Blessed Peter of Castello,
Blessed Andrew Abellon,
Blessed Stephen,
Blessed Peter of Geremia,
Blessed John of Fiesole,
Blessed Lawrence of Ripafratta,
Blessed Anthony della Chiesa,
Saint Antoninus,
Blessed Anthony Neyrot,
Blessed Margaret of Savoy,
Blessed Bartholomew of Cerverio,
Blessed Matthew,
Blessed Constantius,
Blessed Christopher,
Blessed Damian,
Blessed Andrew of Peschiera,
Blessed Bernard,
Blessed Jane of Portugal,
Blessed James of Ulm,
Blessed Augustine of Biella,
Blessed Aimo,
Blessed Sebastian,
Blessed Mark,
Blessed Columba,
Blessed Magdalen,
Blessed Osanna of Mantua,
Blessed John Liccio,
Blessed Dominic Spadafora,
Blessed Stephana,
Blessed Adrian,
Blessed Lucy of Narni,
Blessed Catherine of Racconigi,
Blessed Osanna of Kotor,
Saint Pius,
Saint John of Cologne and Companions,
Blessed Maria Bartholomew,
Saint Louis Bertrand,
Saint Catherine de Ricci,
Blessed Robert Nutter,
Blessed Alfonsus and Companions,
Saint Rose of Lima,
Saint Dominic Ibáñez and Companions,
Blessed Agnes of Jesus,
Saint Lawrence Ruiz and Companions,
Saint Martin de Porres,
Blessed Peter Higgins,
Saint Francis de Capillas and Companions,
Saint Juan Macias,
Blessed Terence O’Brien,
Blessed Ann of the Angels,
Blessed Francis de Posadas,
Saint Louis de Montfort,
Saint Francis Gil,
Saint Matteo Alonso,
Blessed Peter Sanz and Companions,
Saint Vincent Liem,
Saint Hyacinth Castañeda,
Blessed Marie Poussepin,
Blessed George,
Blessed Catherine Jarrige,
Saint Ignatius Delgado and Companions,
Saint Joseph Diaz and Companions,
Saint Dominic An-Kham,
Saint Valentine Berrio-Ochoa and Companions,
Blessed Jean-Joseph Lataste,
Saint Francis Coll,
Saint Arnold Janssen,
Blessed Hyacinthe Cormier,
Blessed Pier Giorgio Frassati,
Blessed Bartolo Longo,
Blessed Maria Alfonsina Danil Ghattas,
Blessed Josefina Sauleda Paulis and Companions,
Blessed Buenaventura García Paredes and Companions,
Blessed Celestino José Alonso Villar and Companions,
Blessed Enrique Izquierdo Palacios and Companions,
Blessed Maria Ascension of the Heart of Jesus,
Blessed Michael Czartorysky,
Blessed Julia Rodzinska,
All you holy Dominicans,
~Pray for us.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world,
~Spare us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world,
~Graciously hear us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world,
~Have mercy on us.
Let us pray
God, source of all holiness, you have enriched your Church with many gifts in the saints of the Order of Preachers. By following the example of our brothers and sisters, may we come to enjoy their company for ever in the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever.
34 comments:
Evidently Archbishop Di Noia has not given up on the SSPX. Even I have prayed they might join. The Church is a big tent and once they sign the preamble admitting Vatican Council II took place the SSPX will be able to save many more souls. We have to keep the Church Holy and this will not be done from the outside. Hope Bp. Fellay and his Chapter hear the Dominican litanies. It would be such a wasted opportunity if they did not. Much of Benedict's pontificate was invested in this reunion.
The Church is not a big tent. "She" is the mystical body of Christ, His very bride. Her members are not masses hustled into temporary shelter built on sand or grass to perform in or be entertained by a traveling group of sideshows. Her members are sinners washed clean by Baptism, fed by the Eucharist and by Confirmation given a mission to spread and defend the faith, a responsibility to build up the edifice. The Church is not a big tent, her priests are not circus performers, her members are not audiences.
Surely the prayers of so many holy Dominicans will result in this all turning out well. Today, after going to confession at our Dominican church here in Houston and assisting at Holy Mass on this First Saturday, I am trying to concentrate on having a supernatural outlook.
Interesting that it was to the Dominicans. Just 2 weeks ago, Bishop Fellay announced that he would not ordain those Dominican seminarians whose loyalty to the SSPX, he was not certain of.
I think a case could be made that the "tents" in the Old Testament foreshadow, to some degree anyway, the NT Church.
Gratias,
No one argue that Vatican II "took place", the disagreement, is in the "teaching".
Ladies and Gentleman,
Yes we have been bruised, disappointed and let down many times. But please don't let's descend into negativity and bitterness. That would be to give the victory to the devil. The fact that a major curial official is asking his own order to pray for such an intention shows that there has been a significant development in the last years. Such a thing would have been unthinkable in the 1990s. Rather than moaning and groaning, please let's PRAY! Litanies, Memorares, Rosaries etc. etc. What harm can that do? We are supposed to believe in miracles, after all. And the main opponents to reconciliation are in the realm of the demons- those ones who are only to be defeated through prayer and fasting. Victory is within our grasp, let's not lose it through the hardness of hearts that have received many a knock in the last weeks. Unite those hearts with the bruised and bleeding Heart of Our beloved Lord and Saviour, and something wonderful might happen. Bless you all, and may the Immaculate Heart of Mary triumph
The lack of sacral English in this litany points to the problem. I don't want to be picky, only honest: I would absolutely refuse to pray a litany which did not use Latin or sacral English. I say NO to it. Archbishop Di Noia, who seems to be a fairly conservative man, has a perspective which is fundamentally at odds with that of traditionalists. He does not see the Church through the same glass and, until he can at least look at it through our glass, he will never be able to understand us.
At this point, we might well ask ourselves a basic question: are these talks aimed at discovering agreement and then articulating it as the beginning of a full reconciliation? or are they, on the contrary, aimed at achieving concessions from one party or the other? By concessions, I mean that one party would recognise that it had erred in some way and then decide to accept correction.
Unforunately, the signs are that, as they seek common ground on the "principles and criteria" of doctrinal interpretation, they have found not common ground (or not more of it) but contradiction. As a result, one side must yield and admit to error. The only way around this would be for Rome to declare that, while the S.S.P.X is in error, this error is not sufficient to separate its priests from the Catholic Church. However, here we are on the fifth anniversay of S.P. and the eve of the Society Chapter meeting, and the Pope is not prepared to settle for that as an interim step. Perhaps he did sign something today and we must wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait yet again for a carrier pigeon to deliver the message from Castel Gandolfo to the Vatican Press Office. But we are running out of opportunities here. Instead, Bishop Fellay, by his own clear declaration, is getting ready to explain to his Chapter why the most recent Roman document cannot be signed by him, as it is, and I quote directly "totally unacceptable".
It is becoming clearer now that, for whatever reasons, the Pope is less and less likely to make any move in favour of the Society until the Society gives Rome at least the appearance of a concession of some kind. That will not happen because it cannot happen. Bishop Fellay does not favour a concession and, even if he did, his own Society would rebel against him if he made it.
We have an impasse unless something was signed today at Castel Gandolfo and is about to be published. If we have an impasse, the Pope might want to consider what he can do in favour of non-Society traditionalists because "Summorum Pontificum" is now a dead letter in most of the world. If the Society cannot have the international personal diocese structure, perhaps one should be granted to the rest of us. Another approach would be a legal requirement that there be at least one every-Sunday T.L.M. in the world, over and above those requested under S.P. Exceptions could be made for dioceses having under a certain number of subjects or served by fewer than a certain number of priests.
Something needs to be done. Your traddy sports car, Holy Father, is now stuck in neutral. It could be worse, of course. The Novus Ordo Yugo is stuck in reverse and is slowly accelerating towards the end of the pier.
P.K.T.P.
Gratias:
The S.S.P.X has never denied that the Second Vatican Council was a legitimate œcumenical council (although Bishop Tissier apparently has). Rome has never claimed that the Council is free of all error, even of all doctrinal error. But whatever size the tent may be, its denizens are blind and cannot see one another. Perhaps the NewChurchers are blinded by pride. It might be time to examine those non-infallible doctrines to see if any of them includes doctrinal error and/or expressive error, of if all the translations into the vulgar languages are accurate.
Oh, no, we shan't go there. We musn't go there. Well, until the process begins, there is nothing to discuss.
P.K.T.P.
"They sign the preamble admitting Vatican Council II took place."
The question has never been whether or not Vatican II took place, that's like asking the SSPX if 2+2=4. Haha.
The current hierarchy are trying to get the SSPX, at least from what I gathered, if I am wrong correct me, but they are trying to get +Fellay to sign a preamble which states that Vatican II contains no errors when interpreted in the light of tradition.
The only problem with that is, they don't define what in the light of tradition means because they have a different understanding of tradition from the SSPX.
Basically the modernist position is that tradition changes; therefore, those parts of Vatican II which contradict previous papal infallible declarations and councils, are simply just being read wrong.
Smart people, who realize this farce, gaze very deep into the rabit hole and find nothing pleasing therein.
Again with the annoying "Sacral English" lecture, P.K.T.P.? Leave it to the Anglicans, please, our language is truly sacred.
"If we have an impasse, the Pope might want to consider what he can do in favour of non-Society traditionalists because "Summorum Pontificum" is now a dead letter in most of the world. If the Society cannot have the international personal diocese structure, perhaps one should be granted to the rest of us."
P.K.T.P. is right. This is what may well happen, except it will be a personal prelature.
If the SSPX can not be "reintegreted" without signing that..."they can not speak about the errors of the council", they obviously believe (at least now), that is free of error.
Ora et labora, Archbishop DiNoia.
Ascetik,
The SSPX cannot, by definition, have its own definition or understanding of tradition. Only Holy Mother Church can determine what is in the Sacra Doctrina and how to authentically interprete it. If the SSPX does have its own interpretation of the Sacra Doctrina then we have a greater problem on our hands then I thought. Let us pray that what you say is not the case.
Ah, yes, PKTP...like a good Imam,
God doesn't hear prayers without washing one's hands, or not phrased in "sacral English".
Such an ethos as you present nailed Our Lord to the Cross.
@PKTP.... The closing prayer is the only thing that would be substantially affected in this translation, and while it might be "substantially affected", it wouldn't be substantive changes.
The nature of the hieratic language changes would be limited because of the nature of this prayer.
Br. Gabriel,
I agree with you regarding the necessity of the Society not inventing its own concept of Sacred Tradition. That said, I think it oversimplifies the difficulties involved to leave the question at that level.
The difficulties, I think, can be easy seen in recent statements from both Apb DiNoia and Bp Muller, both of whom affirm the need of the SSPX to recognize no true error in the Council. All fine and well, but until there is clarity on issues like Religious Liberty, I fear that is a dead-end street. Cardinal Ratzinger himself has written that what the Council taught on Religious Liberty is quite different from what Pius XI and Pius XII taught on the topic. (See his section on the drafting of Dignitatis Humanae in Theological Highlights of Vatican II.)
Until things like this get sorted out, it is quite difficult to see how the SSPX will agree to such a sweeping statement, as it seems the current leadership of the CDF desires. If Cardinal Ratzinger believed that the teachings of Vatican II served as a corrective to the prior teachings on Religious Liberty, that would seem to imply that DH could not be easily reconciled with these past teachings. Further, does this mean that accepting DH as being without error implies a position, however implicit, that the teachings if Pius XI and Pius XII needed corrections and were therefore erroneous or at least flawed? That itself opens up problems as well.
Until these things get resolved, this whole situation is liable to keep going around and around and around.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, hear us.
Christ, graciously hear us.
God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us.
God, the Son, Redeemer of the World, have mercy on us.
God, the Holy Ghost, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us.
Holy Mary, ~ Pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Saint Michael,
Saint Gabriel,
Saint Raphael,
All ye holy Angels and Archangels,
All ye holy orders of blessed Spirits,
Saint John the Baptist,
Saint Joseph,
All ye holy Patriarchs and Prophets,
All ye holy Apostles and Evangelists,
All ye holy Disciples of the Lord,
All ye holy Innocents,
All ye holy Martyrs,
Saint Mary Magdalene,
Saint Catherine of Alexandria,
Saint Augustine,
Holy Father Francis,
Blessed Jane of Aza,
Blessed Reginald of Orleans,
Holy Father Dominic,
Holy Father Dominic,
Blessed Bertrand,
Blessed Mannes,
Blessed Diana,
Blessed Jordan of Saxony,
Blessed John of Salerno,
Blessed William and Companions,
Blessed Ceslaus,
Blessed Isnard,
Blessed Guala,
Blessed Peter Gonzalez,
Saint Zdîslava,
Saint Peter of Verona,
Blessed Nicholas of Paglia,
Saint Hyacinth,
Blessed Gonsalvo,
Blessed Sadoc and Companions,
Blessed Giles,
Saint Margaret of Hungary,
Blessed Bartholomew of Vicenza,
Saint Thomas Aquinas,
Saint Raymond of Penyãfort,
Blessed Innocent,
Blessed Albert of Bergamo,
Saint Albert the Great,
Blessed John of Vercelli,
Blessed Ambrose,
Blessed Cecilia,
Blessed Benvenuta,
Blessed James of Varazze,
Blessed James of Bevagna,
Blessed Benedict,
Blessed Jane of Orvieto,
Blessed Jordan of Pisa,
Blessed Emily,
Blessed James Salomonio,
Saint Agnes of Montepulciano,
Blessed Simon,
Blessed Margaret of Castello,
Blessed Augustine Kazotic,
Blessed James Benefatti,
Blessed Imelda,
Blessed Dalmatius,
Blessed Margaret Ebner,
Blessed Villana,
Blessed Peter of Ruffia,
Blessed Henry Suso,
Blessed Sibyllina,
Blessed Anthony of Pavonio,
Saint Catherine of Siena,
Blessed Marcolino,
Blessed Raymond of Capua,
Blessed Andrew Franchi,
Saint Vincent Ferrer,
Blessed Clara,
Blessed John Dominic,
Blessed Alvarez,
Blessed Maria Mancini,
Blessed Peter of Castello,
Blessed Andrew Abellon,
Blessed Stephen,
Blessed Peter of Geremia,
Blessed John of Fiesole,
Blessed Lawrence of Ripafratta,
Blessed Anthony della Chiesa,
Saint Antoninus,
Blessed Anthony Neyrot,
Blessed Margaret of Savoy,
Blessed Bartholomew of Cerverio,
Blessed Matthew,
Blessed Constantius,
Blessed Christopher,
Blessed Damian,
Blessed Andrew of Peschiera,
Blessed Bernard,
Blessed Jane of Portugal,
Blessed James of Ulm,
Blessed Augustine of Biella,
Blessed Aimo,
Blessed Sebastian,
Blessed Mark,
Blessed Columba,
Blessed Magdalen,
Blessed Osanna of Mantua,
Blessed John Liccio,
Blessed Dominic Spadafora,
Blessed Stephana,
Blessed Adrian,
Blessed Lucy of Narni,
Blessed Catherine of Racconigi,
Blessed Osanna of Kotor,
Pope Saint Pius V,
Saint John of Cologne and Companions,
Blessed Maria Bartholomew,
Saint Louis Bertrand,
Saint Catherine de Ricci,
Blessed Robert Nutter,
Blessed Alfonsus and Companions,
Saint Rose of Lima,
Saint Dominic Ibáñez and Companions,
Blessed Agnes of Jesus,
Saint Lawrence Ruiz and Companions,
Saint Martin de Porres,
Blessed Peter Higgins,
Saint Francis de Capillas and Companions,
Saint Juan Macias,
Blessed Terence O’Brien,
Blessed Ann of the Angels,
Blessed Francis de Posadas,
Saint Louis de Montfort,
Saint Francis Gil,
Saint Matteo Alonso,
Blessed Peter Sanz and Companions,
Saint Vincent Liem,
Saint Hyacinth Castañeda,
Blessed Marie Poussepin,
Blessed George,
Blessed Catherine Jarrige,
Saint Ignatius Delgado and Companions,
Saint Joseph Diaz and Companions,
Saint Dominic An-Kham,
Saint Valentine Berrio-Ochoa and Companions,
Blessed Jean-Joseph Lataste,
Saint Francis Coll,
Saint Arnold Janssen,
Blessed Hyacinthe Cormier,
Blessed Pier Giorgio Frassati,
Blessed Bartolo Longo,
Blessed Maria Alfonsina Danil Ghattas,
Blessed Josefina Sauleda Paulis and Companions,
Blessed Buenaventura García Paredes and Companions,
Blessed Celestino José Alonso Villar and Companions,
Blessed Enrique Izquierdo Palacios and Companions,
Blessed Maria Ascension of the Heart of Jesus,
Blessed Michael Czartorysky,
Blessed Julia Rodzinska,
All ye holy Bishops and Confessors,
All ye holy Doctors,
All ye holy Priests and Levites,
All ye holy Monks and Hermits,
All ye holy Virgins and Widows,
All ye holy Dominicans, ~Pray for us.
All ye holy Saints and Blesseds of God, ~ Make intercession for us.
Lamb of God, Who taketh away the sins of the world, ~Spare us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, Who taketh away the sins of the world, ~ Graciously hear us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, Who taketh away the sins of the world, ~ Have mercy on us.
Let us pray:
God the Father of Mercies, Source of all Holiness, Thou hast enriched Thine Holy Church abundantly by the many gifts of the Saints and Blesseds of the Order of Preachers. In following the example of these Thy servants, our Dominican brothers and sisters in Christ, may we come share in their company in Heaven, where we shall render unto Thee unending praise and adoration. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the unity of the Holy Ghost, one God, forever and ever. Amen.
I was about to point out how easy it is to rephrase the above Litany, for the benefit of those with such tender consciences as will not permit them to pray in modern English, but I see another has done the same already.
It is good to pray!
PKTP's barber - But, even if you were right, it wasn't asserted that the Church was foreshadowed by a big tent, but that the "Church is a big tent."
More to the point, the "tent of meeting" foreshadowed the Temple, which foreshadowed the Church. The Church is indeed a Sacred Temple, not a big tent.
Carl
Thank you, Tu Solus Sanctus. Now I can join in the prayer.
Mike: No, I nail people but not to crosses. The evildoers were those who ripped the beautiful forms of sacral English right out of our culture so that they could promote their vile revolultion agaisnt truth. Truth and its expression are inseparable. The form of a prayer carries a message or at least an attitude, one of reverence.
P.K.T.P.
Tu Solus Sanctus goes yot the HEART of the MATTER: Prayer.
Archbishop DiNoia is viewed by the Eastern Province of the USA Domincans as their most advanced heirarch. When he calls for their prayers, they respond with Holy Masses, Vespers, Matins, Holy Rosaries, indeed their entire days of prayer. Populating his call are the Nasheville Dominican Sisters, the Ann Arbor Dominican Sisters and the Priests pf the eastrn seabord of the US whose primary difficulty is finding enough room for all their novices, deacons, and newly ordained, traditionlist priests.
This is nothing to sniff at, even if your moniker comes with four consonants to the Dominican's two.
Hey, guys, knock it off about this tent business! Dang, it's just a coloquial metaphore for the Church being big enough for everyone. It's not some doctrinal inference on the nature of the Church.
As far as praying for the SSPX reunion, just pray for it! Pray for it in any manner you wish and in whatever language lights your firecracker.
To that, PKTP, that prayer was for the Dominicans to pray, not you, so it wasn't your domain to be so critical of it. On it's face, it was an act of charity on DiNoia's part to ask for prayers for the Reunion. Let's take him up on it nonetheless. If our Traditionalist ways have more pull with God, then all the more let's DO IT!
May I recommend that we pray the following office for those in need of it:
http://gloria.tv/?media=188036
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I have a feeling that this public call to prayer signals that something is coming from Rome Central, something perhaps signed yesterday but to be published this week. Yes, pray hard for it.
P.K.T.P.
When all appears bleak, barren and lost this is when the Lord ACTS! So that none will glory but ONLY in His Mighty and Merciful Will! I place all my trust in the Sacred Heart of Jesus who by His Omniscient Wisdom and despite my limited understanding caused me to place my children in the hands of the SSPX schools. He will not Fail us--He will not abandon this most Fruitful and Faithful branches--even if they must be heavily pruned!!!!!!
Joe,
I agree that the issues are complicated. However, it is overly simplistic that the posed questions have ready answers. It is not even clear what in the Council Documents are meant to contribute to the understanding of the Sacra Doctrina and what is practical and temporally contingent. Part of doing the work of theology requires a certain comfort with ambiguity without being complacent. There are, on the whole, very few definitive indisputable points in the theology of the Church. The issues raised by the Council are no different. Considering the history of the intellectual life of the Church, theological ambiguity is no reason to disrupt the unity of the Church.
P.K.T.P. and all:
It is not only the language - but the whole composition that is modern.
Normally you have first the Saints, then the Blessed - or you go by the classifartion of different types of Saints, so martyrs, doctors, priests,... But here seems to be no coherent system.
And then you normally first name all men, then the women.
All confused here - perhaps because the "CounciliarChurch" is used to confusion - or does anybody see here some coherent system?
The saints and blessed are listed in chronological order.
Methodius said:
"But please don't let's descend into negativity and bitterness. That would be to give the victory to the devil".
Amen! Amen!
Gaudete in Domino Semper!
P.K.T.P. and all:
It is not only the language - but the whole composition that is modern.
Normally you have first the Saints, then the Blessed - or you go by the classifartion of different types of Saints, so martyrs, doctors, priests,... But here seems to be no coherent system.
And then you normally first name all men, then the women.
All confused here - perhaps because the "CounciliarChurch" is used to confusion - or does anybody see here some coherent system?
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