1 location with daily TLM (including Sundays)
4 locations with every-Sunday (but not daily) TLM
Poland after Summorum, as of 7/7/12:
4 locations with daily TLM (including Sundays)
18 locations with every-Sunday (but not daily) TLM
(Note: if a town has a Mass celebrated by the same priest for the same group of believers in various churches in rotation, then it is counted as one place.)
Source: Nowy Ruch Liturgiczny
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As everyone here knows, I watch and analyse the T.L.M. figures frequently. It is definitely true that Poland has done well under S.P., esp. over the last two years (cf. to other countries). Sadly, it is an exception. Although the amount of data is too sparse to tell, I'd say also that the rate of growth is gradually slowing. I'm not sure, however.
Germany did exceptionally well in the first year under S.P. but not at all well since then. France has hardly been affected by S.P. at any time.
The Czech Republic is doing fairly well, but Poland clearly is the leader for Central Europe.
P.K.T.P.
Felix Polonia.
An English speaking actuary born in Poland works with my daughter at a major U.S. life insurance company. She remarks at the shock she and her family experienced at their first Novus Ordo Mass in the U.S.-Everyone received Communion! The Poles, on the other hand, are very sensitive about being in the state of Grace and reception of Communion is not as frequent.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but an increase from 5 to 22 locations is nothing in a country with 41 diocese, over 28 million practicing Catholics and probably tens of thousands of churches. It averages out to one Mass location for every 1.3 million practicing Catholics in Poland. If anything, this shows just how little demand for the EF there is in Poland, even when you account for the usual interference, and how unlikely a restoration of the traditional liturgy is in Poland or anyplace else.
Niech żyje królewstwo Najszwiętszej Maryi Panny Królowej Polski. Niech żyje Msza Prawdziwa. Niech żyje Polska.
(Vivat Regnum Sanctissimae Mariae Virginis Reginae Poloniae. Vivat Missa Vera. Vivat Polonia.)
In our diocese of 1.5 million Catholics, the sixth largest in the nation, we currently have three Sunday Latin Masses and one weekly Latin Mass.
Just as PKTP has observed elsewhere, there has actually been a 25% reduction in the number of Latin Masses in our diocese since there were at one time four (WOW!) Sunday TLM's, but one was cancelled two years ago because the new pastor was not satisfied with the size of the collection.
Promptly after Universae Ecclesiae was issued, I appealed the pastor's decision to terminate our Sunday Latin Mass, following the steps recommended on this blog to the letter, gathering a series of negative responses from my pastor and bishop before commencing with a formal appeal to the PCED.
Msgr. Pozzo sent me a very nice letter last August notifying me that our appeal was being considered and that's where it ended. I haven't heard a word since.
Considering the recent disappointing developments in the Curia, I don't know if I have the interest or heart to send a final appeal to Cardinal Burke.
The Latin Mass has not exactly prospered in this diocese, that is certain.
Congratulations to those Polish priests and faithful for all their work for the betterment of the Church. A great success story. God bless Poland.
On the one hand, MJ is right: in a country with so many parishes, and so many active mass attending Catholics (certainly in rural areas), 22 locations is a drop in the bucket.
Poland is a curious case right now. There are real problems in Poland, not least with the abysmally low birth rate, and growing secularization seeping in from Western Europe. Yet vocations remain high, as does resort to sacraments. Czestochowa remains a very popular pilgrimage.
This popularity surely stems in part from the Church's role in resisting Soviet communism - and, yes, figures like John Paul II, like it or not. But I think it's also because the Novus Ordo was implemented in Poland in a relatively conservative way, thanks to the tastes of the episcopate of the time. And this probably works as much to the detriment of interest in the TLM as it does to its advantage, since Poles who want a reasonably reverent mass experience can find it much more easily than can their compatriots in Western Europe. And MJ is probably right: there is probably more demand for the TLM in Poland than is being met, but not a whole lot more.
Still, let us not look a gift horse in the mouth. Visiting Krakow in 2006 and again in 2008, I was impressed by just how much TLM options had increased in the wake of SP. When there is such remarkable progress, however small the overall numbers, we ought to recognize it, and be thankful to the prelates who have made it possible. And hope that when the next generation becomes bishops, the numbers can really start to take off. That's what it will take in the end, you know: lots of priests willing and able to say it, and lots of pastors and bishops willing to be proactive in making it available.
BTW, the FSSP has news on their elections at the seminary website (news page)
In the next September at least one new everyday TLM (restored from 1 month TLM), at least one every Sunday TLM (restored from 2 in month), and at least 3 new places of one-in-month TLM
And now - every Saturday (at 19:00) TLM in Sochaczew.
The problem, as I see it, is SP had no teeth, that is, no method of enforcement. Though Poland may be an exception, it is obvious that the Novus Ordo hierarchy has no intention of letting the TLM get a foothold in their dioceses. Added to this, the TLM and NO liturgy are decidedly different in their approach to worshiping Our Divine Savior in the Eucharist. The NO, for example, is so easy for the clergy to say whereas the TLM requires much more attention to detail and the rubrics. It's one thing for the Pope to say that we should have more TLMs and quite another to enforce it. This is typical of the post Vatican II environment IMO.
In addition, may I say that I am disgusted with the appointment of the new head of the CDF. In all of the church the Pope had to name this man to one of the most powerful positions in the curia? It is lunacy in the extreme IMO. And, more importantly, it does not bode well for the Traditional Movement or for the restoration of all things in Christ. We have received the Vatican's answer to the doctrinal discussions and it's basically "go jump in the lake" you integrists.
JulieColl said, "Msgr. Pozzo sent me a very nice letter last August notifying me our appeal was being considered and that's where it ended. I haven't heard a word since."
Sadly, this is how the Church tends to operate. You get a very nice letter but it's a kiss-off letter nonethelss. Your issue was probably indexed for the shredder.
"Your issue was probably indexed for the shredder."
Every complaint or request you send to PCED, send a copy to Una Voce (eithr through your national organization or directly to the international headquarters). I am not sure that it will improve the situation in every place, but it would do no harm either.
Thank you PEH... for the comments I could not have said it better. The SP has no teeth. See how the NO Mass was implemented in planned manner so well that most catholics did not realized what was happening at the time...until it was too late. Why are we not seeing implementation of the TLM? Because there is no plan to follow up the SP. People look at the nice letters and words nowadays but it is their actions that really tell where their heart(plan)is!
To make the statistics for Poland more precise.
There are currently (15.07.2012):
4 - every day masses
18 - every sunday masses
39 - regular masses (at least once a month)
61 mases as a whole
Here are all the places in Poland
http://maps.google.pl/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=pl&msa=0&msid=217747894126069328293.000462f33f0dc018db6d9&t=h&source=embed&ll=52.093008,19.797363&spn=6.076656,12.062988&z=6
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