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Syncretism gets elevated ...

Among the six new cardinals nominated yesterday, Luis Antonio Tagle of Manila has earned more than his share of fame (or notoriety) since his appointment to the Archdiocese of Manila a little more than a year ago. 

Tagle is one of the few prelates who is uniformly hailed by both the liberal and conservative wings of the international Catholic media for his ideas, his charisma and his speaking prowess, most of all during the current Synod and in this year's Eucharistic Congress in Ireland. 

This disciple of the Bologna School, who declared during his installation homily that Catholics and non-Catholics have but one mission and "must not compete against each other to get the better portion of the catch," has since then gone to ever-greater heights of popularity as one of the stars of the "new evangelization," if not as papabile

Speaking of the new evangelization, what does Archbishop Tagle think should be the way forward for the Church? 

First we present his little speech yesterday on Vatican Radio speech, with our highlights:

The Church of Asia is often a minority Church, like John the Baptist crying in the wilderness…..even in the Philippines, if the Church is a majority, I realise that the sufferings of people and the difficult questions they ask are an invitation to be first in solidarity with them, not to pretend we have all the solutions….they can resonate and see the concrete face of God in a Church that can be silent with them, as confused as they are….it becomes a home for them…..

I believe the Church should contribute in the public square but we in Asia are very particular about the mode…..so you may be saying the right things but people will not listen if the manner by which you communicate reminds them of a triumphalistic, know-it-all institution…..I know that in some parts of Asia the relative silence, calmness of the Church is interpreted as timidity, but I say no – it makes the Church more credible….”

This, in turn, echoes the speech that he gave during the third general congregation of the Synod of Bishops, on October 9, 2012. The following is the official summary (see HERE) provided on the Vatican website: 

A young girl asked: “Are we the youth lost or has the Church lost us?”. Her question expresses a longing for a Church where she can be found by Jesus and where she can find Him. But for the Church to be the “space” of a faith-encounter with the Lord, she must learn anew from Jesus in whom we meet God.  

The Church must learn humility from Jesus. God's power and might appears in the self-emptying of the Son, in the love that is crucified but truly saves because it is emptied of self for the sake of others.  

The Church is called to follow Jesus' respect for every human person. He defended the dignity of all people, in particular those neglected and despised by the world. Loving His enemies, He affirmed their dignity.  

The Church must discover the power of silence. Confronted with the sorrows, doubts and uncertainties of people she cannot pretend to give easy solutions. In Jesus, silence becomes the way of attentive listening, compassion and prayer. It is the way to truth.  

The seemingly indifferent and aimless societies of our time are earnestly looking for God. The Church's humility, respectfulness and silence might reveal more clearly the face of God in Jesus. The world takes delight in a simple witness to Jesus- meek and humble of heart.

43 comments:

Brad said...

Sounds like he just wants the Church to shut up! Ha

Farfa said...

Cope OVER humeral veil...?

Seriously?

Gravitas said...

Syncretism is putting it lightly!

John Fisher said...

Silence bids consent, silence gives the impression of disinterest. Silence is suicide!
Syncretism and woffle.

Benedict Carter said...

So much mumbo-jumbo, isn't it?

Alan Aversa said...

By that logic, Christ should've been silent and never revealed Himself as the Incarnate Verbum…

Peterman said...

"the difficult questions they ask are an invitation to be first in solidarity with them, not to pretend we have all the solutions"

I wonder if Saint Paul would have felt the Church had all the solutions?

Joe Potillor said...

May God prevent him from being Pope, long live Benedict XVI

Malta said...

Who was it that said to "spread the Gospel" throughout the world?

Indifferentism also comes to mind.

Anchorite said...

Tagle, Mueller, and the like are adept in making careers out of pseudotheological malarkey of a rather pedestrian level. They bring to mind Michel Foucault criticism of Derrida's purposeful obscurantism. However, in their case it is of such low intellectual level that it can only appear insightful to products of post-Vatican II RCIA classes.
I would not be the only person to point out that every time we heard/read Bishop Fellay we have not seen even a trace of such "Bishopese" nonsense, yet EVERY word coming out of the mouth of these Cardinals (or not-yet-but-really-wish-I-were-Cardinals), whether it is Tagle, Mueller, Nichols, et al., is meaningless "filler" verbiage.
Let's be honest, with an exception of a few Cardinals and a Pope, this hierarchy appears to be an intellectual and spiritual desert in comparison to the minds and personalities of the likes of Pius XII, Bl. Ildefonso Schuster, and Włodzimierz Ledóchowski.
Ridiculous...

Barbara said...

Manipulative and not Catholic.

"The Church must discover the power of silence."

Help! Sounds like he does not know what the Church really is...

I will remember him at Adoration today.

BloodySheep said...

Any idea that Pope Benedict is a traditionalist has of course been blown out of the water with recent disastrous appointments such Muller, Di Noia, and now this.

Our shepherds would slaughter us. God help us.

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Pulex said...

Where is syncretism in the two texts? It is just the usual newspeak you can nowadays hear from many prelates. The "power of silence" is interesting. The Holy Father, too, has spoken about sacred silence, especially in Mass. The new cardinal must love the traditional Mass with its silent Canon.

GQ Rep said...

I remember reading somewhere that it was the infamous Cardinal Bertone who was pushing for a consistory for new Cardinals to be called during the Synod of Bishops....and that he had Tagle very much oon the list for elevation. Benedict XVI and others however, wanted to wait until the Spring, 2013 where more hat 6 could be created.

Seems to me from this and other past episodes, that Benedict XVI does everything Bertone and that small clique of liberals in the Vatican want.

Fortunatly, Bertone is nearly 78. If he had any ambition to be Pope, the chances of that are just about zero!!

Picard said...

Joe Potillor:
"May God prevent him from being Pope, long live Benedict XVI"

Ehh?? - You beg God to prevent men like Tagle from becoming Pope - but praise Bendedikt resp. wish him a long reign, so that he can exactlly appoint more men like Tagle to the Cardinalate (next will be Müller, sure!) so that the probability of becoming Pope for such men increases!?

Bob M said...

Really makes no sense to me. Like the 2nd poster, Benedict Carter said, "so much mumbo-jumbo".

His quotes might as well be posted in Tagalog.

Adfero said...

Pulex, it's syncretism when he says the Church shouldn't take followers from the sects or act like she has all the answers. That means those sects can save souls too or, in other words, are equal to the Church. It's blatant.

Lynda said...

By that logic, the Church has nothing to offer the world!! God have mercy on us for how we have subverted your Church given us as the means of salvation (and true happiness) for all.

A Mom said...

I don't get it.

Usquequo Domine?

Truth Searcher said...

""The Church must discover the power of silence."

Help! Sounds like he does not know what the Church really is..."

As I recall, Jesus faced His persecutors with silence, at least sometimes. "As a lamb meek before its shearers, so He opened not His mouth," as Isaiah put it.

Picard said...

Brick by brick - Tagle by Tagle, Müller by Nichols, ...

Matt said...

"[Y]ou may be saying the right things but people will not listen if the manner by which you communicate reminds them of a triumphalistic, know-it-all institution."

He's lost it already. If he presents the Church as just another alternative rather than the only means of salvation in Christ Jesus, his people are doomed and there will be greater issues as a result.

Francis said...

Sounds like...
Preach the Gospel, if necessary use words

Barbara said...

"As I recall, Jesus faced His persecutors with silence, at least sometimes. "As a lamb meek before its shearers, so He opened not His mouth," as Isaiah put it."

Of course, fair enough - there is a time for silence and a time for speaking - hardly the case that the Church has to "discover" it. Anyway, it is not what the Archbishop is referring to here - if you read his remarks carefully. The Church is Our Lord's voice in the world and HAS "all the solutions" ....as I am sure, you know well, Truth Searcher.

The Archbishop doesn't seem to think so.

Mlivohi said...

His Eminence is perfectly right.

I am not Spartacus said...

The Church of Asia is often a minority Church, like John the Baptist crying in the wilderness….

Not very silent, was he?.

...they can resonate and see the concrete face of God in a Church that can be silent with them, as confused as they are….

Who'n'ell desires a Church as confused as they are? Do you think Jesus established His Church and sent the Holy Ghost upon it to teach it confusion?

In accepting your Consecration as Bishop you accepted the DUTIES to Teach, Rule,and Sanctify not mimic Marcel Marceau or act like The Sphinx.

I believe the Church should contribute in the public square but we in Asia are very particular about the mode…..so you may be saying the right things but people will not listen if the manner by which you communicate reminds them of a triumphalistic, know-it-all institution…..

Sorry. The Catholic Church IS Triumphant and it IS a perfect society that teaches all that we must know to Gain Salvation and avoid Perdition.

I know that in some parts of Asia the relative silence, calmness of the Church is interpreted as timidity, but I say no – it makes the Church more credible….”

The Church Suffering, the Church Triumphant, and The Church Milquetoast


A young girl asked: “Are we the youth lost or has the Church lost us?”. Her question expresses a longing for a Church where she can be found by Jesus and where she can find Him. But for the Church to be the “space” of a faith-encounter with the Lord, she must learn anew from Jesus in whom we meet God.

"Space" is a vacuum filled by Satan

The Church is called to follow Jesus' respect for every human person. He defended the dignity of all people, in particular those neglected and despised by the world. Loving His enemies, He affirmed their dignity.

What'n'ell is he talking about with Our Lord and Saviour defending dignity - I have never read one Father of the Catholic Church or read a classic Catechism or a Pre V2 Papal Encyclical teaching that Jesus defended dignity...Talk about Scriptural esigesis.

The Church must discover the power of silence.

Um, it has had cloistered and silenced orders for centuries

Confronted with the sorrows, doubts and uncertainties of people she cannot pretend to give easy solutions. In Jesus, silence becomes the way of attentive listening, compassion and prayer. It is the way to truth.

Look, if you have no answers, just say so and resign your office and enter into a Carthusian Monastery but the Catholic Church has hard answers, not easy answers, and the road is hard and narrow and how can one "HEAR THE CHURCH" (He who hears you hears me, said Jesus) if the Catholic Church is confused and silent?


I am sorry but this reads like it was lifted verbatim from a Monty Python Sketch.

Lord have mercy...

NIANTIC said...

I am not Spartacus at 1857 said.....

Excellent on all points! Confusion reigns throughout the post Vatican Church. It all seems to be about "good feelings". The Apostles and Fathers and Saints never were silent. They proclaimed the Truth and shouted it from the roof tops.
Today's prelates, at least most of them, are weasels infected with pride and false humility. This whole "new evangelization" thing is, and will be, a dud. Why? Because it is based on Vatican ll whose foundation, spirit and interpretation is based upon sand.

Lord have mercy, and thank You for faithful Traditional Bishops and Priests and Religious and Laity who are not timid or afraid.

Joe Potillor said...

Picard, our Holy Father may not be a traditionalist strictly speaking, but he has gotten the ball rolling for tradition. The state of the Church a mere 10 years ago, talking of the TLM was anathema sit de facto....Some people have this idea that the Church will be this land of perfect obedience and everyone will follow...Thanks to mass media disobedience is easily caught, but still, it's not going to root out the problem.

The Holy Father is much wiser than you or I will ever be. Throughout the Church's history there have been plenty of Archbishops and Cardinals disobedient to the Church. I love what our Holy Father is doing Liturgically and trying to steer the ship back in the right direction. This is why I pray for his long health and many years on the throne. There has been a relatively predictable pattern with our Holy Father and his appointments....In many cases he departs from perception in some cases not so much. When Tagle got appointed to the Red, I wasn't surprised. I know Tagle personally, and while yes, he's definitely an intellectual lightweight compared to the others. ..I do believe that our Holy Father knows what he's doing. Keep in mind, that Ratzinger got elected with all of the wonderful liberals in the Cardinalate to choose from....sometimes perception and reality don't always match up.

Pray for Our Holy Father, that he might not flee from the wolves....or for that matter appoint wolves to the Cardinalate

Mirari said...

"a Church that can be silent with them, as confused as they are"

Well at least the people are getting what they allegedly want - at least in regard to the Church's human element. As for the Church's divine element - Her dogmas and perennial teachings - no confusion there.




Picard said...

Joe Potillor:

Before the appointement of Müller (and others) I was inclined to think likewise - but after this appointment(s), and after an in-depht studying of the works of Müller there can not be any illusions anymore:

The Pope has not only appointed a man to the head of CDF who is heretic, but who is much worse than heretic:
Müller is a clear-cut modernist (I have studied his works the last weeks in the original and indepth and they are more than shocking!) -

and now Tagle - brick by brick...

LORD have mercy on us!

Torkay said...

It does not appear that His Eminence's faith elevator goes all the way to the top floor.

Warning said...

Speaking so blasphemously against the church may bring calamity to your life. Food for thought.

Peterman said...

Speaking so blasphemously against the church may bring calamity to your life. Food for thought.

So true. There is a very famous pro abort "catholic" politician in the US who got into a car wreck, Just last year his wife also got into a horrendous car wreck.

Rick DeLano said...

"a Church that can be silent with them, as confused as they are….it becomes a home for them…..


So it is not merely a diabolical disorientation; confusion is the precise intended condition desired.

Wow.

Jean Francois said...

Let me try this again as apparently my earlier comment was not posted, lost in cyberspace. It is clear that nobody here has actually listened to the full audio interview with Archbishop Tagle which goes more in depth into the comments that he made. Most of what people are saying he said is not really what he said.

Barbara said...

@ Warning,
I don't understand your "warning." Are you addressing the subject of the article or the people here who comment negatively about it? Where's the blasphemy?

Barbara

Ora et Labora said...

"Benedict Carter said...
So much mumbo-jumbo, isn't it?"


My thoughts exactly!!!

Brian said...

This is fully consistent with Vatican II. I am sure that these statements do not come as any surprise to our Holy Father. I do not believe that Pope Benedict XVI would see any problem with this.

Lynda said...

Unambiguously sowing confusion - at best!!

Pablo Thaddeo said...

Being impulsive vs being prudent... Where do you belong?

The new elected cardinal is a humble and prudent person with God given gifts of compassion and wisdom. His election is a gift to the church and it is with the guidance of the Holy Spirit...

Silence for him relates more to the act of being prudent and humble... In constant reflection and prayer... You can approach him, talk to him, then you will know him better...

I humbly admit his one of the chosen few to lead the church...

.Rolando Benjamin Carlos said...

Perhaps what His Lordship was trying to say is that the Church must first become in solidarity with the poor, with the persecuted, with the confused, with all who suffer for the Poor to see in the Church a understanding and loving Church, because the truth is The Church can give us Salvation but the body also needs temporal nourishment and assistance in times of difficulties, the Church can do this is if She know how to be silent, for as His Lordship stated "Silence becomes the way of ATTENTIVE listening, compassion and prayer." We need to be silent for by being silent we become attentive to the Voice of God to the voice and the needs of our brethen, St. Bruno said that silence is "a tranquil listening of the heart that allows God to enter through all its doors and passages." the first word of the Rule of St. Benedict is "Listen" how can you listen if your not silent? St. John of the Cross said silence of the ear is "by listening always to the voice of God and to the cry of the poor and the needy" St. Theresa of Avila founded the discalcead because she was seeking silence, so we see here the Truth that his Grace is trying to teach us.
People nowadays especially aetheist thinks of the Church as Powerful and Corrupt organization, so what His Lordship trying to teach us, instead of showing to them that we are "triumphalistic, know-it-all institution" which they hated and loathed let us show them Humility for even if the Church is the Way to Salvation "Extra Ecclesia nulla salus" and She has all the Truth in Her, if we are going to deliver this message in pomp and pride, know-it-all way they will not listen fo they cannot relate to us, we need humility, we need to be silent in order to understand them, to hear them, to know what their needs, we need to show to them that we are in solidarity with them. The Church as a Good Mother and Spouse of our Lord must be in solidarity with Her Children.
Please brothers do consider this. thanks and God bless.

Jed Sanchez said...

I agree with Rolando Benjamin Carlos on all points.

Jesus was never a triumphalist know-it-all even if HE is the answer to everything. The Cardinal proposes that we should first listen and be in solidarity with those who are seeking answers. Remember that while Jesus is the answer to all the longings of the human heart, his apostles and disciples are not. We are those apostles and disciples. We, ourselves, have no right to brag whatsoever. I think we should offer Jesus to those who seek him in a humble and loving way. This, in fact, is the way God wants it. If we want people to love God, we should not shove God down their throats. Rather we should show the way of this love. Apostle Paul himself said, "Love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way." (1 Cor 13: 4-5)

For a church rocked with pedophilia, sex and financial scandals, vatileaks and other shameful controversies, attentive and prayerful silence might be a better recourse than a powerful Church of glorious golden vestments and pompous ceremonies. Humble witnessing speaks louder than the loudest intellectual proclamations.