Rorate Caeli

Liturgical Dance -- Very Much Alive.

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This was apparently the Mass celebrated by Bishop Tom Williams, Auxiliary of Liverpool, at 3:00 PM on January 6, 2013 (not 2012 as stated in the introduction to the video) to welcome the relics of St. John Bosco to the Metropolitan Cathedral.

63 comments:

Andr3w said...

It seems there is a typo on this video. I take it this was from January 2013 (and not 2012).

I assume that all involved are quite serious about their dancing and playing that music (which I'm afraid find quite dreadful).

Aside from repeating the old chestnuts about what the Church prays and believes can anyone suggest a way to encourage advocates of this rather impoverished kind of liturgy to explore the more normal (and incidentally more ancient) kinds of Catholic worship advocated by the Holy Father and documents the like of Summorum Pontificum?

I have no doubt that fans of this 'trendy' kind of worship are very sincere and serious about what they're doing, but I don't think it's particularly edifying and ultimately looks and sounds rather silly.

Jonvilas said...

What all this still has in common with One True Church? How long? Why these folks still insist that they are catholics? How this hall can be called a church (or even cathedral)? When these folks stop to celebrate themselves and begin to truly adore God instead? I know that these are rhetorical questions, yet nevertheless,...

Genty said...

And a half-empty cathedral. Goodbye ++ Kelly. Goodbye + Williams.

McCormack said...

Watching this disgusts me and makes me feel physically sick. Comparing this to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as was known to Catholics throughout the world prior to the "opening of the windows" makes me weep.

I'm 22. Our generation have a massive task ahead of us, to fix up this abomination. I try desperately to 'hang on' to the notion that "the Novus Ordo is okay!" but things like this make that increasingly difficult.

Wesley Winfield said...

Thank God the SSPX opens a new chapel in Liverpool this summer. At least there will be an alternative to these outrages!!!

Anil Wang said...

Not at all surprising. Just look at the building. It looks more like a sporting arena than an actual Church. I'm surprised there were no food vendors walking up and down the aisles.

Even if the most solemn and reverent Latin mass were held there, the building begs out for some mischief. So I'm not surprised that less grounded souls have yielded to the temptation. Whoever designed that building must be in the 9th circle of Hell along with other traitors such as Judas and Brutus.

I'm afraid the only true solution to getting a true liturgy in that building is to rebuild the Church from the ground up to actually look like a Church (or at minimum, a conference room).

Given how empty that building was, I don't think we'll have to worry about liturgical dance there in a decade, even if nothing were done.

Andrew said...

I have found that sometimes the best way to argue against this garbage is to use the reasoning of liberals against them. For example, once at a parish council meeting (where liturgical dance was finally abolished at my parish) I argued that liturgical dance was not good because it didn't allow for the full and active particpation of all the faithful. The dance turned the congregation into spectators. It worked beautifully.

In a similar fashion when I was studying theology one of my liberal professors insisted on calling God "she" in a sad effort to be inclusive. I said to her that using that reasoning we should also refer to the devil as "she" as well since traditionally we have always refered to satan in masculine terms. I did it a couple of times in class to help push my point home. While I didn't get the professor to refer to God as "He" or "Father", I did succeed in getting her to drop all gender references to God and simply refer to the Him as simply "God". Which I thought was a big improvement to calling God "she".

Its all in how you sell it.

I am not Spartacus said...

Frankly, this dance does not even rise to the solemnity and dignity of the procession of Ducks walking into The Fountain in the Grand Lobby of the Peabody Hotel in Memphis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnidqjnnjVs

Marko Ivančičević said...

i'm sure Mary, Mary, Mary and John weren't quite in the mood for dance when our Lord was dying on the cross...

Dr. Timothy J. Williams said...

As I watched video this on Youtube, a pop-up add for a "Personal Injury Attorney" appeared on the screen. How appropriate! I have sometimes found the "Grope of Peace" can border on assault, but this dance takes injury to the next level: "Your Honor, I was just returning to my seat when the Dance Minister struck me in the head with a placard!"

Richard malcolm said...

Meanwhile, seismometers attached to St. John's casket went off on the high end, as the relics began spinning at a blinding speed.

Richard malcolm said...

Aside from repeating the old chestnuts about what the Church prays and believes can anyone suggest a way to encourage advocates of this rather impoverished kind of liturgy to explore the more normal (and incidentally more ancient) kinds of Catholic worship advocated by the Holy Father and documents the like of Summorum Pontificum?

That's a fair question. As traditionalists, we don't ask it enough.

I think they have to see examplars of traditional worship done well. Invite them warmly. Make them feel welcome. Let tradition do the rest of the work.

Some still won't take to it, especially if they're over a certain age. But at least that's their choice, not ours.

Et Expecto said...

The good news is that Archbishop Kelly submitted his resignation last week.

PEH said...

St. Pius V must be rolling over in his grave. What a travesty!

Richard malcolm said...

Thank God the SSPX opens a new chapel in Liverpool this summer. At least there will be an alternative to these outrages!!!

Actually, there already is an alternative: The Bishop of Shrewsbury last year gave the Shrine Church of Ss. Peter and Paul and Philomena, the "Dome of Home" just across the bay in New Brighton to the Institute of Christ the King as a TLM personal parish. http://www.institute-christ-king.org/news/200/92/Shrine-Church-in-New-Brighton-England/

So Liverpudlians have at least one traditional refuge now. Which puts them ahead of much of England.

wretchedwithhope said...

'the building begs for mischief' - the mischief being 'celebrating themselves'. which is why the altars were smashed to smithereens because they represent Christ in the sepulchre, which is why all the denials of the understanding and living sacredness of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass have been obscured or outright destroyed. Christ told us to seek, ask, knock - if only people who attend these pagan mishmashes had ever heard those words they might someday find themselves 'caught up', not in ecstacy, or, as is most usual what they're gonna do as soon as they are dismissed , probably the only time most NO attendeesactually feel like thanking God, but in worshipful reverence.

norancor said...

Acts of the apostasy in a theatre in the round. How droll.

Texana said...

At first glance the question was "Is that a pentagram on the floor?" Sometimes first impressions are spot on.

FGA said...

Let's see; first corrupt the Mass of the Ages, then you build protestant inspired "churches" then you sing protestant songs, then you all get down and boogie.....

Can someone direct me to the snack counter.

Texana said...

As a former Protestant I am offended that a beautiful rendition of the Protestant hymn "Amazing Grace" was included in this "liturgy".

markus said...

Marko Ivančičević said...

i'm sure Mary, Mary, Mary and John weren't quite in the mood for dance when our Lord was dying on the cross...


Puts it all into perspective right there

Alan Aversa said...

This "Cathedral" is Masonic; see esp. the floor designs. According to Freemasonry Today, "Freemasons continue over a century of support for Liverpool Cathedral;" the article includes a picture where the "Provincial Grand Master, is welcomed by The Rev Canon Myles Davies in front of the new lift entrance on the ground floor of the cathedral."

Anonymous said...

His Christmas message is about as bland and anthropocentric as that liturgy: http://www.liverpoolcatholic.org.uk/index.php?p=411

Sixupman said...

Aux at Liverpool +Vincent Malone quote: "let women hear Confessions, give Absolutions and administer Last Rights! Is it something in the air? Also strong association of [dissenting] clergy.

gtaylor said...

God help us when so called bishops and priests organise that kind of pitiful non-sense.
As we say in Scotland "wee attention seeking lassies". It is not Catholic.
Just heard on Church Militant tv news that the Oscott College who so respectfully welcomed the Holy Father in 2010 ( or are they fakes) now have banned seminarians from hearing Latin Mass there.
The bishops arrogance appears to know no bounds - whether in England or Scotland.

vetusta ecclesia said...

How can this be called "liturgical"? The Liturgy of the Roman Church is to be found in its liturgical books; if you do the red and say the black you have the liturgy.

NBW said...

I hope liturgical dance dies out quickly; it has no place in the Mass. It looked more like a pagan ritual than a Holy Mass. So sad.

Long-Skirts said...

ALL THE WORLD'S A STAGE

Man won't kneel --
Daily to pray
But lift his hands
To applaud and play.

Man won't kneel --
Examine acts dead
But perform for himself
By bowing his head.

Man won't kneel --
Emotes bad behavior
No matter reviews
The director's his savior.

Man won't kneel --
He's the star, can't fail...
So the prop-man struck
The Communion rail.

backtothefuture said...

Looks like a pagan temple or worse. What a stark difference to the beauty I witnessed this past weekend at the pontifical high mass with bishop Athanasius Schneider.

akp5401 said...

Our Lady Star of the Sea in Seaforth also has a TLM, and the NO Mass is properly done too. I believe St Antony's on Scotland Road also has a TLM ( both Liverpool)

akp5401 said...

Unbelievably the NO Mass closest to the Mass envisaged from the VII documents that i have assisted at was at This Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral back in July for the visit of the Heart of St. jean Vianney. Many of the people's parts in Latin, lots of chant, i was moved to tears! I never expected such a beautiful Mass in that Diocese, let alone that Cathedral. It wasn't ad orientum, but everything else was there. Bp Mark Davies was there so perhaps he had a hand in the improved Liturgy.

Malta said...

Revolting

Neil Addison said...

As someone who lives in Liverpool I have often joked that the Metropolitan Cathedral would make a good Discotheque but I never expected the Diocese to actually take the idea seriously. It is incredibly sad when this type of appalling so called "liturgy" happens because the Video is invariably circulated throughout the Traditional Catholic Blogosphere and the impression is given that this is the Norm for Masses involving the Novus Ordo.

It is not and any Masses I have attended in Liverpool have been conducted with decorum and dignity even in the Cathedral but what happened in this "performance" is simply disgraceful

Malta said...

I don't know what to say Mr. McCormack, except that you are right.

Adfero said...

I am SHOCKED, shocked! Shocked that a Masonic temple would allow this to happen!

Frederick said...

I thought that so called Liturgical
Dancing had been banned by the Vatican so why did this take place ?, maybe the message has not crossed the Mersey yet
Fredrick

Muzza said...

NOT SURPRISED

Just discovered the other day that the New Mass is in the Bible- its called the Abomination of Desolation.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall defile the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the continual sacrifice, and they shall place there the abomination unto desolation.

5 Daniel 12:11 And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days,( the approx length of VatII)

Archimandrite Gregory said...

And they wonder why the churches are emptying out. These folks are in and the SPPX are on the outside! Lord have mercy!

Ivan K said...

If this is permitted in the Novus Ordo, then everything that the SSPX say about it is true.

tom faranda said...

I'm sorry but I don't see this as the great disaster that others find it to be. I actually enjoyed the "Amazing Grace" rendition. And yes, clapping is inappropriate.

The Rad Trad said...

Vestal Virgins lost their place in Rome 17 centuries ago, so they have taken to parading through empty wharehouses in Liverpool.

Scott Quinn said...

I trust that there is a special place in hell for the people who put this stuff on.

NIANTIC said...

All this "liturgical dancing" garbage is infantile as well as disgusting.

They have their fun now, but God will seperate the chaff from the wheat.

The shepherds put in charge of the sheep turn out to be wolves.

Thank God for allowing us, the few and valiant, to hold on to Tradition and for keeping the flame of Truth, Beauty (real) and Holiness burning in the decending darkness.

Lord have Mercy.

Lynda said...

This "dancing" takes the worshipper's mind and heart away from Our Lord and to the performers. Neither does this constitute proper attendance at Mass by the dancers (if they are Catholics).

Ivan K said...

How appropriate that the Cathedral is available as a "Venue Hire", for "special events, such as graduation ceremonies or school prizegivings, lectures and rallies" (see link below). It is nothing more than an assembly hall, auditorium and performance space. The average school gym looks more like a sacred space than this modernist monstrosity.

http://www.liverpoolmetrocathedral.org.uk/content/VenueHire/MainCathedral.aspx

Barbara said...

"I trust that there is a special place in hell for the people who put this stuff on."

Sorry Mr. Scott Quinn - what you write here is not ok and most certainly not worthy of a faithful Catholic. It disturbs me that you would desire such a thing... for anyone. Probably most of these people (the lay) haven't a clue to what real Catholicism is because of the confusion and mess in the Conciliar Church - which has subjectivized the Faith so much to render it unrecognizable with the invention of stuff like this.

I hate the offense to Our Lord with such"liturgies" (I cannot bring myself to say Masses -) but neither can it please Him the desire to send people to eternal damnation - souls that He shed every drop of His Most Precious Blood for.

There but for the grace of God go I. In all sincerity, it is purely by GRACE that I am not a part of such a travesty.

Sixupman said...

Alan Aversa,

Your link is for the CofE Cathedral.

Teofila_Bepko said...

Very sad.

And what an ugly church!

Matthew H said...

@Alan Aversa: you are confusing cathedrals! The article you link to is talking about the Anglican cathedral in Liverpool, not the Catholic cathedral.

Doesn't improve the Catholic cathedral as a building, though. It looks like a tepee/dodgy power station from the outside, hiding a mediocre art gallery on the inside. And the tragedy only increases when you read about and see what they started building before the Second World War intervened.

Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King: a particularly sad chapter in cheap, ugly and dated modernist architecture. My wife and I hope to see the back of it in our lifetimes.

JabbaPapa said...

A parody of a "church", and a parody of a "mass".

PreVat2 said...

Lex orandi, lex credendi.

And folks wonder why my family and I stay with the SSPX.
Go figure?

Semper Fidelis

Malta said...

Btw., Rorate, I've seen this video twice, and it is a great emetic; I've lost three pounds!

Gerard Brady said...

Interestingly the SSPX's new Church in Liverpool is the former Temple of Humanity where the religion of Auguste Comte was followed and where Alice Thomas Ellis was brought as a child. Perhaps the hierarchy of the Archdiocese of Liverpool could do a similar favour for their faithful and turn the Metropolitan Cathedral into a Catholic Church!

Anonymous said...

My personal trainer had me do that exercise. -Kathy F.

Jordanes551 said...

How exactly is God honored by a troupe of young women prancing around in their unmentionables and sprawling their bodies in front of the altar in a dreadfully ugly, hollow church building?

chaimbeul said...

I'm going to write to the bishop of this diocese to inform him that liturgical dance is liturgical abuse. I'll be charitable, but clear. If I don't receive a response, I'll write to the CDF.

The church itself is a monstrosity of horrid modern architechture.

Julia said...

*Sigh*

Wish I could say I haven't seen this in my church, but I can't (NOT this bad though, that was atrocious). Turning to the SSPX, however, is not the answer. Report it, there's video evidence. And if you have something similar at your Church, record it, report it. Work within the Church to fix the problems in the Church.

Barbara said...

I just watched the whole video. There are so many adjectives that I could use to describe this nonsense - first of all totally sacrilegous of course( even if the intent is not there - you have to have knowledge of what is sacred to have full intent)bad choreography, badly performed , hugely innappropriate, banal,puerile, not Catholic, not even Protestant, - unbeleiviably stupid! Watching that video made me understand that truly the majority of these pepetrators of desecration of the Mass seem not to know what they are doing. It is not a Mass for them They do not have the faith - otherwise it is inconceivable that they would do such things. What a mockery of all that is sacred.

And those in authority?

Rome! Bishops!

Look upon what you are responsible for!

Look what you have allowed to happen in the Mystical Body of Christ!

Shame on you if look and do nothing!

Barbara

Mar said...

Neil Addison said: "It is incredibly sad when this type of appalling so called "liturgy" happens because the Video is invariably circulated throughout the Traditional Catholic Blogosphere ..." No, it is incredibly sad when this type of appalling so-called "liturgy" happens because it is an affront and insult to the Lord, and happens in a house that has been consecrated to Him.

"... and the impression is given that this is the Norm for Masses involving the Novus Ordo. It is not ..." Well, when this "liturgy" happens in the Metropolitan Cathedral then yes, it definitely gives a signal that this is the norm (or could/should be the norm), at least in that Diocese.

Alphege said...

Alan Aversa: That's the Anglican Cathedral.

Liverpool has two cathedrals. The Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King (Catholic), and the Cathedral Church of Christ in Liverpool (Anglican), which are at opposite ends of Hope St. This news story is about the latter, Anglican structure, not the Catholic cathedral, which, in order to differentiate the two, is usually referred to as the Metropolitan Cathedral.

To my knowledge, there is no priest called Myles Davies at the Metropolitan Cathedral.

Neil Addison: I also, when I can, attend the Cathedral in order to be present at Mass, and find it typically celebrated with reverence and care (though, sadly, not without certain near-universal abuses). I can confirm that liturgical dance is atypical.

Ivan K: It isn't permitted. It's just done anyway, albeit, in this case, as an exception rather than the rule.

LeonG said...

No surprises with new church today. The rot continues until all has eroded away. May it be soon.

gtaylor said...

I have watched this wee show over again and I count over 50 priests seated around the "bishop" on his elevated, centrally positioned throne. (Almighty God up at the back of course in the tabernacle).

It really is an eye opener, 50 clergy men agree with this silly little "bishop's" show. The cathedral is less than a quarter occupied - and this is the welcoming of a saint's relics?
In Edinburgh our Cardinal gave us the fruits of his insights - we got a cafe/bistro bar sharing the entrance to our cathedral( you couldn't make it up). God help the church. Almighty God send us holy priests.Amen.

Jim P said...



"So Liverpudlians have at least one traditional refuge now. Which puts them ahead of much of England."

Actually, Liverpool has had a regular Sunday and Holyday TLM for 23 years, at St. Mary's Highfield Street from 1990, and then at St. Anthony's, Scotland Road since 2000. All lovers of the TLM are most welcome at 3 p.m. every Sunday and12 noon Holydays