Rorate Caeli

Antonio Socci and another rumor that was right

In September 2011, Italian religious writer Antonio Socci mentioned that the Pope was considering resigning following his 85th birthday, in April 2012. Rorate was, of course, the first English-language venue to actually translate his words at the time.

Socci yesterday recalled his prediction, and added that the main reason that prevented the Pope from this act in 2012 was the explosion of the "Vatileaks" scandal - and that, as soon as the main aspects of the crisis were resolved (with the pardon granted to Paolo Gabriele), His Holiness decided to act. The troubling final cardinalatial report on Vatileaks, by the way, which is currently held in secrecy, apparently includes many names and information which could be of great use to the future Pontiff.

24 comments:

Gladius said...

"many names and information which could be of great use to the future Pontiff"

Only if the future Pontiff desires an untimely death. That was the lesson learned from Albino Luciani.

Benedict Carter said...

So this is it, along with his physical state: he knows he's been betrayed and he knows he's too weak to deal with it.

Well, we knew that after he caved into the Austrians when he wanted some guy called Meuller as Bishop and they told him to sod off.

Carlton said...

Unfortunately, a widely-referenced article in the "New York Times" regarding the abdication (or as they refer to it, "resignation") ends with this quotation:

“It’s revolutionary,” said Eamon Duffy, a professor of the history of Christianity at Cambridge. “He’s sweeping away the mystical in favor of the utilitarian: That being a pope is a job, and the pope must be in the condition to do the job.

That's the accomplishment of this abdication: the relegation of the See of St. Peter to a "job" and the final triumph of the Second Vatican Council's "modernism motif": the rinsing of the Papacy of a sense of the sacred.

John said...

Well said, Carlton, grim though it be. Duffy is right.

Matt said...

"The troubling final cardinalatial report... includes many names and information which could be of great use to the future Pontiff."

Useful in terms of skewering, marginalizing, praising, moving those involved? The possibilities are endless there. We shall see.

pattif said...

Eamon Duffy is an outstanding church historian, but his pronouncements are not infallible when the deal with matters outside his field of expertise. Pinch. Of. Salt.

Genty said...

I agree with pattif. Duffy has written some wonderful books but as far as modern history is concerned he has an agenda and this is an exercise in wishful thinking, which includes the "priesthood" of the laity.

Tom said...

Carlton said..."That's the accomplishment of this abdication: the relegation of the See of St. Peter to a "job" and the final triumph of the Second Vatican Council's "modernism motif": the rinsing of the Papacy of a sense of the sacred."

Nonsense.

If anything, His Holiness has been attacked repeatedly by enemies of Church, within and without the Church, for his actions and restoration of various symbolic Papal "trappings" that are associated with the mystical prestige of the Papacy.

Also, had His Holiness remained in place, the folks who accuse him today of having transformed the Papacy into merely a "job" would have bashed him down the road for his having lacked the strength and abilities to lead the Church.

"Look at him! Pathetic! Too old, tired, weak and ill to stand up to the enemies of the Church!

"He's transformed the Papacy into a mere job. Just wake up each day and, if you will, collect a paycheck just to sit and nap all day in Rome. In the meantime, he watches the Church collapse...collapse...collapse."

That is what would have been said.

Tom

Barbara said...

Good Tom. Well said. I agree with you especially with :

"If anything, His Holiness has been attacked repeatedly by enemies of Church, within and without the Church, for his actions and restoration of various symbolic Papal "trappings" that are associated with the mystical prestige of the Papacy."

This shouldn't be forgotten.

Lopes said...

As far as the discussion of what the abdication has/will accomplish, it is a lot more concerning to hear comments from within the Church than from the media (which were expected). The Patriarch of Lisbon, as reported by Fraters in Unum (a Brazilian trad website) is basically saying that the Papacy is now a transitory position and that the abdication is (I am not making this up) another step in the process of renovation promoted by VII.

Next thing you know, there will be those- from within- arguing for age limits for future popes and for even further 'authority' for National Conferences.

JM said...

"...the rinsing of the Papacy of a sense of the sacred."

True that, even if unintended. An exact parallel to trying to accept modern scripture scholarship while maintaining the sacredness of scripture. Read Ratzinger's book on Genesis and you realize how unworkable the "engagement" with modernity becomes. He, DeLubac, and company think they can embrace both old school steadfastness of devotion and modern critical approaches. It has never, ever held convincing appeal for the laity.

Gratias said...

The mandatory retirement of bishops at 75 and Cardinal Electors at 80 made Benedict XVI's resignation at 85 more likely. The traitor Paolo Gabriele gave us an extra year of this great intellectual Pope. He will be greatly missed.

Thank you Holy Father.

JB said...



I think Josef Ratzinger can see that Vatican II was not a great event in the life of the Church. He has stated as much repeatedly - - despite his own involvement as a periti assisting those aligned against those such as Cardinal Ottaviani who were essentially yelling "No!" at the top of their lungs. I give him great credit for this. At the same time, I think it is very hard for him and others of his anti-scholastic orientation to admit just how much damage has been done. It's one's life's work after all. On balance, he has worked very hard for the good of the Church according to his not insubstantial lights. I wish him nothing but the best.

Investigo said...

Did Our Lord give the keys of the Church to St Peter only until he became old,tire,infirm or just unwilling to persevere? It is not a question of intellect or reason--it is a matter of Faith at risk.

Hieronymus in Canada said...

JM--

With regards to the parallels in scripture, two points.

His public writings as Pope are solid--Verbum Domini (while verbose in the modern style) contains some gems, including both re-stating things that haven't been touched in a long time (e.g. section 35 pointing out how bad academics in scripture ultimately, through seminaries, lead to devestation in the pews) as well as stating some things previously taught more clearly and in more detail (e.g. the fundamental importance of faith in Biblical interpretation in section 29+).

At the same time, his writings as a private theologian, are both scholarly and private--harder to grasp and, as he himself points out, in no way authoritative.

Unfortunately, in at least some cases, the private writings obscure the public.

In some ways it is not a shock to see him resume the role of a more private person because he had never completely abandond the role in some areas of his life.


One further thought on the topic of cleaning house--it is much easier for someone new to clean out all of the known rot under the rubric of "a changing of the guard" accompanied by "we are so grateful for the good that you did" than to can specific individuals on the note that "we are not grateful for the things that you did that are not good."

Jason C. said...

He, DeLubac, and company think they can embrace both old school steadfastness of devotion and modern critical approaches. It has never, ever held convincing appeal for the laity.

This relates to one of the things I'm concerned about with a post-conciliar man assuming the papacy, whereas some have said it will be a benefit in that the new pope will not feel the same ownership or sense of attachment to the most recent Council.

While all have the Faith, many, if not most, of these new papabili have never been reared on anything other than modernist approaches to the content of that Faith. The old guard, however successful or unsuccessful they were at trying to have their feet on both sides of the fence (it would require an uncommonly tall man the like of which has not been seen to do it successfully), at least had something grounding them with how they approached the diverse content of our Faith (whether scripture, theology, patristics, liturgy, Mariology, etc.). They could wander and experiment freely because, however liberal they might be or become, they had a home to return to, or at least knew where it was if they had wanted to--these new men are nearly all doomed to be perpetual wanderers.

Ora et Labora said...

Many might want to read this article:

http://www.theweek.co.uk/religion/51496/peter-turkson-not-shy-about-his-wish-become-first-black-pope

"But most social media commentators professed to be excited by the prospect of the Vatican appointing its first black Pope. One tweeted that the papal enclave should "release black smoke" if Turkson gets the job, rather than the traditional white plume."

Like I said not humility here.

This man could be the BAD version of Peter the Roman.

I hope he gets sacked. Too ambitious.

eric said...

I don't understand how a Pope that was elected by the influence of the Holy Ghost to be the Vicar of Christ can decide that he is no longer Christ's vicar.

Eric

backtothefuture said...
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backtothefuture said...

The holy father isn't stupid, he loves the church and know exactly what he's doing. We can never truly know of the filth that's inside church walls.

Tom said...

Carlton said..."That's the accomplishment of this abdication: the relegation of the See of St. Peter to a "job" and the final triumph of the Second Vatican Council's "modernism motif": the rinsing of the Papacy of a sense of the sacred."

An additional point in oppsition to the above is that the Pope Benedict XVI's action will focus the spotlight upon the upcoming conclave.

The world's spotlight will focus upon the mystical aspect that will involve the election of the next Pontiff.

The buzz throughout the world will concern the mystical conclave that will consume the world.

If the Papacy were a mere job, then L'Osservatore Romano would simply run a help-wanted ad.

Pope Benedict XVI has made it clear that the Papacy far beyond "job" status...that he has "rinsed the Papacy of a sense of the sacred."

It is sad that among Traditionalists, there is an element who are determined to attack the Roman Pontiff at every turn.

Anything...everything that he does is wrong and involves a nafarious ulterior motive.

Everything. Everything.

Some of you folks concoct nonsense...utterly ridiculous scenarious...daily.

As I posted here earlier today, had His Holiness remained in place to his final breath, the same "now, it's just a mere job" folks would have bash Pope Benedict XVI for having been too weak and ill to combat the massive and powerful wolves within and without the Church, who have worked overtime to attack His Holiness and, in turn, Holy Mother Church.

Now, you folks can return to your "mere jobs"...you know, concocting ways to attack, at every turn, Pope Benedict XVI.

He is elderly, tired, weak and desperate to do the right things for Holy Holy Mother Church.

However, all you can do is attack him. Pathetic.

Tom

Cyrus said...

Tom, did you take your medicine? Such rants indicate at least a higher dosage is advised.

Graeme Taylor said...

This Vicar of Christ brought me back to the one true faith and I thank Almighty God for His gift of Benedict XVI to His Church.
The Holy Father is clearly very much more unwell than the vatican press releases have commented. At 86 ( in a number of weeks) one of the oldest popes in history. He has, Guided by God the Holy Spirit, abdicated the throne of Peter.
May almighty God grant him the remaining months on this earth are ones of untroubled ( no disloyal numpties surrounding him) serenity.
Amen.

Anonymous said...

Our humanity clearly shows in some of the comments here. People will never be satisfied.

HH Pope BXVI is the Supreme Legislator of Holy Mother Church and is only answerable to Christ Himself. It is his right and privilege to abdicate the Petrine Throne for he alone can decide to do so because he is the one sitting on it. It is safeguarded by Canon Law and is the Holy Father's prerogative.

None will ever be satisfied by the person who succeeds the See of Peter. There are too many factions that uncharitably dictate what they presume to be the best for Holy Mother Church. God reigns, and He will protect His Bride from destruction. He will do with it as He pleases.

Pope Benedict's short reign accomplished things that have set great light to Tradition. The traditional groups are to thank, indeed! But it was the this Pope, chosen by the Holy Spirit, who made things a little bit more easier. Let us be thankful enough atleast!

We are Catholics first and during this time it does not help Holy Mother Church if her sons and daughters divvy her up between themselves for the sake of pointing fingers. She's wounded enough, be charitable please.

God bless Pope Benedict XVI and thank God for his service as Successor of Peter!