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The next pope is one of the following

This blog is still in mourning for the loss  - whilst he still lives! - of the Pope of Summorum Pontificum and of the hermeneutic of reform in continuity: we will have more to say in the upcoming days.

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Cardinal-voters who will elect the next Pontiff - almost certainly one among them. (Table provided by Catholic Hierarchy.)

Cardinal Lubomyr Husar, Major Archbishop Emeritus of Kyev (Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church) will miss the conclave for a couple of days, since the see will become vacant two days after his 80th birthday.


BirthdateAgeElevatedNameCurrent Title
21 Sep193577.3918 Feb2012Santos Cardinal Abril y CastellóArchpriest of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore {Saint Mary Major Basilica}
19 Oct193379.3121 Feb2001Geraldo Majella Cardinal AgneloArchbishop Emeritus of São Salvador da BahiaBrazil
19 Apr194567.8118 Feb2012George Cardinal AlencherryMajor Archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly (Syro-Malabarese)India
8 Jun 193874.6720 Nov2010Angelo Cardinal Amato, S.D.B.Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints
23 Aug193478.4721 Oct2003Carlos Cardinal Amigo Vallejo, O.F.M.Archbishop Emeritus of Sevilla {Seville}Spain
18 Nov193676.2321 Oct2003Ennio Cardinal AntonelliPresident Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for the Family
1 Feb193776.0321 Feb2001Audrys Juozas Cardinal BačkisArchbishop of VilniusLithuania
14 Jan194370.0824 Nov2007Angelo Cardinal BagnascoArchbishop of Genova {Genoa}Italy
17 Oct195062.3221 Oct2003Philippe Xavier Ignace Cardinal BarbarinArchbishop of LyonFrance
17 Dec193676.1521 Feb2001Jorge Mario Cardinal Bergoglio, S.J.Archbishop of Buenos AiresArgentina
1 Oct194270.3618 Feb2012Giuseppe Cardinal BertelloPresident of the Governatorate of Vatican City State
2 Dec193478.1921 Oct2003Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Cardinal Bertone, S.D.B.Secretary of the Secretariat of State
25 Feb194765.9618 Feb2012Giuseppe Cardinal BetoriArchbishop of Firenze {Florence}Italy
20 Mar194963.8921 Oct2003Josip Cardinal BozanićArchbishop of ZagrebCroatia
16 Aug193973.4924 Nov2007Seán Baptist Cardinal BradyArchbishop of ArmaghIreland
24 Apr194765.8018 Feb2012João Cardinal Bráz de AvizPrefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
30 Jun194864.6120 Nov2010Raymond Leo Cardinal BurkePrefect of the Apostolic Signatura
1 Jun 193874.6924 Mar2006Carlo Cardinal CaffarraArchbishop of BolognaItaly
3 Feb194370.0218 Feb2012Domenico Cardinal CalcagnoPresident of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See
15 Oct194567.3224 Mar2006Antonio Cardinal Cañizares LloveraPrefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
28 Dec194369.1221 Feb2001Juan Luis Cardinal Cipriani ThorneArchbishop of LimaPeru
6 Mar193874.9318 Feb2012Francesco Cardinal CoccopalmerioPresident of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts
16 Jan194766.0718 Feb2012Thomas Christopher Cardinal CollinsArchbishop of Toronto, Ontario, Canada
17 Sep194369.4024 Nov2007Angelo Cardinal ComastriPresident of the Fabric of St. Peter
5 Sep193478.4324 Nov2007Paul Josef Cardinal CordesPresident Emeritus of the Pontifical Council “Cor Unum”
15 Feb193775.9920 Nov2010Raymundo Cardinal Damasceno AssisArchbishop of Aparecida, Sao Paulo, Brazil
4 Jun 193379.692 Feb1983Godfried Cardinal DanneelsArchbishop Emeritus of Mechelen-Brussel {Malines-Brussels}Belgium
20 Dec193478.1426 Nov1994Julius Riyadi Cardinal Darmaatmadja, S.J.Archbishop Emeritus of JakartaIndonesia
19 Sep193577.3920 Nov2010Velasio Cardinal De Paolis, C.S.President Emeritus of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See
14 Apr193676.8321 Feb2001Ivan Cardinal DiasPrefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples
23 May194963.7224 Nov2007Daniel Nicholas Cardinal DiNardoArchbishop of Galveston-Houston, Texas, USA
6 Feb195063.0118 Feb2012Timothy Michael Cardinal DolanArchbishop of New York, New York, USA
26 Apr194369.7918 Feb2012Dominik Jaroslav Cardinal Duka, O.P.Archbishop of Praha {Prague}Czech Republic
27 Apr193973.7924 Mar2006Stanisław Cardinal DziwiszArchbishop of Kraków {Cracow}Poland
22 Jun195359.6418 Feb2012Willem Jacobus Cardinal EijkArchbishop of UtrechtNetherlands
25 Jun195260.6321 Oct2003Péter Cardinal ErdõArchbishop of Esztergom-BudapestHungary
5 Sep193379.4321 Feb2001Francisco Javier Cardinal Errázuriz OssaArchbishop Emeritus of Santiago de Chile
24 Sep193379.3824 Nov2007Raffaele Cardinal Farina, S.D.B.Archivist Emeritus of the Vatican Secret Archives
15 Apr194666.8218 Feb2012Fernando Cardinal FiloniPrefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples
16 Jan193776.0721 Feb1998Francis Eugene Cardinal George, O.M.I.Archbishop of Chicago, Illinois, USA
24 Dec194468.1324 Nov2007Oswald Cardinal GraciasArchbishop of BombayIndia
11 Oct193973.3321 Feb2001Zenon Cardinal GrocholewskiPrefect of the Congregation for Catholic Education (for Seminaries and Institutes of Study)
20 Oct194963.3124 Nov2012James Michael Cardinal HarveyArchpriest of the Basilica di San Paolo fuori le Mura {Saint Paul Outside-the-Walls Basilica}
8 Aug193478.5121 Feb2001Cláudio Cardinal Hummes, O.F.M.Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Clergy
26 Feb193379.9621 Feb2001Lubomyr Cardinal Husar, M.S.U.Major Archbishop Emeritus of Kyiv-Halyč {Kiev} (Ukrainian)Ukraine
5 Mar193379.9321 Feb2001Walter Cardinal KasperPresident Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
15 Mar195062.9120 Nov2010Kurt Cardinal KochPresident of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
3 Jan 193578.1124 Nov2007Giovanni Cardinal LajoloPresident Emeritus of the Governatorate of Vatican City State
16 May193676.7421 Feb2001Karl Cardinal LehmannBishop of MainzGermany
15 Jun193676.6624 Mar2006William Joseph Cardinal LevadaPrefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
31 Oct193676.2828 Jun1991Nicolás de Jesús Cardinal López RodríguezArchbishop of Santo DomingoDominican Republic
27 Feb193676.9628 Jun1991Roger Michael Cardinal MahonyArchbishop Emeritus of Los Angeles, California, USA
29 Apr193775.7824 Nov2007Lluís Cardinal Martínez SistachArchbishop of BarcelonaSpain
21 Sep195359.3920 Nov2010Reinhard Cardinal MarxArchbishop of München und Freising {Munich}Germany
25 Dec193379.132 Feb1983Joachim Cardinal MeisnerArchbishop of Köln {Cologne}Germany
7 Oct193973.3420 Nov2010Laurent Cardinal Monsengwo PasinyaArchbishop of KinshasaCongo (Dem. Rep.)
29 Mar193874.8718 Feb2012Manuel Cardinal Monteiro de CastroMajor Penitentiary of the Apostolic Penitentiary
28 May193478.7020 Nov2010Francesco Cardinal MonterisiArchpriest Emeritus of the Basilica di San Paolo fuori le Mura {Saint Paul Outside-the-Walls Basilica}
7 Mar193577.9320 Nov2010Antonios Cardinal NaguibPatriarch Emeritus of Alexandria {Alessandria} (Coptic)Egypt
8 Mar194171.9221 Feb2001Wilfrid Fox Cardinal Napier, O.F.M.Archbishop of DurbanSouth Africa
16 Mar193775.9021 Oct2003Attilio Cardinal NicoraPresident Emeritus of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See
19446924 Nov2007John Cardinal NjueArchbishop of NairobiKenya
1 Feb195063.0320 Nov2010Kazimierz Cardinal NyczArchbishop of Warszawa {Warsaw}Poland
8 Apr193973.8418 Feb2012Edwin Frederick Cardinal O’BrienGrand Master of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem
17 Mar193874.9021 Oct2003Keith Michael Patrick Cardinal O’BrienArchbishop of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh, Scotland, Great Britain
16 Jun193676.6521 Oct2003Anthony Olubunmi Cardinal OkogieArchbishop Emeritus of LagosNigeria
29 Jun194468.6224 Mar2006Sean Patrick Cardinal O’Malley, O.F.M. Cap.Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts, USA
29 Jan194469.0324 Nov2012John Olorunfemi Cardinal OnaiyekanArchbishop of AbujaNigeria
18 Oct193676.3126 Nov1994Jaime Lucas Cardinal Ortega y AlaminoArchbishop of San Cristobal de la HabanaCuba
8 Jun 194468.6721 Oct2003Marc Cardinal Ouellet, P.S.S.Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops
15 Nov194765.2420 Nov2010Albert Malcolm Ranjith Cardinal Patabendige DonArchbishop of ColomboSri Lanka
8 Jun 194171.6721 Oct2003George Cardinal PellArchbishop of SydneyAustralia
5 Aug194468.5221 Feb1998Polycarp Cardinal PengoArchbishop of Dar-es-SalaamTanzania
5 Mar193478.9321 Oct2003Jean-Baptiste Cardinal Pham Minh MânArchbishop of Thành-Phô Hô Chí Minh (Hôchiminh Ville)Viêt Nam
15 Sep194468.4120 Nov2010Mauro Cardinal PiacenzaPrefect of the Congregation for the Clergy
18 Mar193379.9021 Feb2001Severino Cardinal PolettoArchbishop Emeritus of Torino {Turin}Italy
26 Feb193676.9621 Feb2001José da Cruz Cardinal PolicarpoPatriarch of Lisboa {Lisbon}Portugal
8 Sep194567.4226 Nov1994Vinko Cardinal PuljicArchbishop of Vrhbosna {Sarajevo}Bosnia and Herzegovina
25 Feb194072.9624 Nov2012Béchara Boutros Cardinal Raï, O.M.M.Patriarch of Antiochia {Antioch} (Maronite)Lebanon
18 Oct194270.3120 Nov2010Gianfranco Cardinal RavasiPresident of the Pontifical Council for Culture
30 Jan193479.0321 Feb2001Giovanni Battista Cardinal RePrefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Bishops
26 Sep194468.3824 Mar2006Jean-Pierre Bernard Cardinal RicardArchbishop of Bordeaux (-Bazas)France
19 Apr193577.8121 Oct2003Justin Francis Cardinal RigaliArchbishop Emeritus of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
6 Jun 194270.6821 Feb1998Norberto Cardinal Rivera CarreraArchbishop of México, Federal District
2 Mar194963.9424 Nov2007José Francisco Cardinal Robles OrtegaArchbishop of Guadalajara, Jalisco, México
23 Sep193478.3824 Mar2006Franc Cardinal Rodé, C.M.Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
29 Dec194270.1221 Feb2001Oscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga, S.D.B.Archbishop of TegucigalpaHonduras
20 Feb193874.9820 Nov2010Paolo Cardinal RomeoArchbishop of PalermoItaly
24 Aug193676.4621 Feb1998Antonio María Cardinal Rouco VarelaArchbishop of MadridSpain
4 Jul 194567.6024 Nov2007Stanisław Cardinal RyłkoPresident of the Pontifical Council for the Laity
22 Sep194270.3924 Nov2012Rubén Cardinal Salazar GómezArchbishop of BogotáColombia
28 Mar193379.8726 Nov1994Juan Cardinal Sandoval ÍñiguezArchbishop Emeritus of Guadalajara, Jalisco, México
18 Nov194369.2324 Nov2007Leonardo Cardinal SandriPrefect of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches
15 Jun194567.6620 Nov2010Robert Cardinal SarahPresident of the Pontifical Council “Cor Unum”
1 Sep193478.4420 Nov2010Paolo Cardinal SardiVice-Chamberlain Emeritus of the Apostolic Chamber
28 Nov193676.2024 Nov2007Théodore-Adrien Cardinal SarrArchbishop of DakarSenegal
21 Sep194963.3924 Nov2007Odilo Pedro Cardinal SchererArchbishop of São Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
22 Jan194568.0521 Feb1998Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, O.P.Archbishop of Wien {Vienna}Austria
7 Nov194171.2621 Oct2003Angelo Cardinal ScolaArchbishop of Milano {Milan}Italy
2 Jun 194369.6921 Feb2001Crescenzio Cardinal SepeArchbishop of Napoli {Naples}Italy
21 Jun195755.6424 Nov2012Luis Antonio Gokim Cardinal TagleArchbishop of ManilaPhilippines
5 Apr194369.8521 Oct2003Jean-Louis Pierre Cardinal TauranPresident of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue
7 Mar193676.9321 Feb2001Julio Cardinal Terrazas Sandoval, C.SS.R.Archbishop of Santa Cruz de la SierraBolivia
14 Mar193478.9121 Feb1998Dionigi Cardinal TettamanziArchbishop Emeritus of Milano {Milan}Italy
15 Jun195953.6624 Nov2012Baselios Cleemis (Isaac) Cardinal ThottunkalMajor Archbishop of Trivandrum (Syro-Malankarese)India
31 Jul193973.5318 Feb2012John Cardinal Tong HonBishop of Hong Kong [Xianggang]China
15 Oct193973.3221 Oct2003Telesphore Placidus Cardinal ToppoArchbishop of RanchiIndia
26 Jun193676.6326 Nov1994Jean-Claude Cardinal TurcotteArchbishop Emeritus of Montréal, Québec, Canada
11 Oct194864.3321 Oct2003Peter Kodwo Appiah Cardinal TurksonPresident of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace
28 Aug194270.4524 Mar2006Jorge Liberato Cardinal Urosa SavinoArchbishop of Caracas, Santiago de Venezuela
17 Apr194072.8224 Mar2006Agostino Cardinal ValliniVicar General of Roma {Rome}Italy
3 Feb193875.0218 Feb2012Antonio Maria Cardinal VegliòPresident of the Pontifical Council for Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People
1 Jan 193479.1120 Nov2010Raúl Eduardo Cardinal Vela ChiribogaArchbishop Emeritus of QuitoEcuador
30 Jul194369.5318 Feb2012Giuseppe Cardinal VersaldiPresident of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See
7 Nov194270.2624 Nov2007André Armand Cardinal Vingt-TroisArchbishop of ParisFrance
18 Aug195656.4818 Feb2012Rainer Maria Cardinal WoelkiArchbishop of BerlinGermany
12 Nov194072.2520 Nov2010Donald William Cardinal WuerlArchbishop of Washington, District of Columbia, USA
27 Feb194171.9621 Oct2003Gabriel Cardinal Zubeir WakoArchbishop of KhartoumSudan

89 comments:

Athelstane said...

Cardinals Ranjith and Burke will draw the attention of man here, of course. But Bagnasco is also intriguing, given that he was a disciple of Cardinal Siri.

Anon said...

Presuming no other cardinals could be appointed between now and Feb 28th?

Jerome said...

from the blog Whispers in the Loggia:

On Friday, Benedict raised some eyebrows by having a rare private audience with the Dean of the College of Cardinals, the 85 year-old Italian Angelo Sodano, the figure who would be responsible for the convoking of a papal election. The departing pontiff ostensibly communicated his plan to the Cardinal-Dean at that point.

That said, as both Sodano and his Vice-Dean, Cardinal Roger Etchegaray, are past the eligibility age to vote, under the norms currently in place, the duty of presiding over the Conclave would seem to fall to the senior cardinal-bishop younger than 80: the retired prefect of the Congregation for Bishops Giovanni Battista Re, who turned 79 in late January.

RE !

Anonymous said...

We will miss Pope Benedict XVI. Maybe God will bless us with a Pope Leo XIV or Pius XIII (Raymond Cardinal Burke)! +J.M.J

- Jim B. in STL

MarkT said...

I'm rooting for Cardinal Bagnasco.

John Gerardi said...

I'm going to be offering my daily rosary for the election of Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Ranjith.

J. Hughes Dunphy said...

On the Abdication of Pope Benedict XVI:

SONNET 116 William Shakespeare

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

William Shakespeare

"Ad astra per aspera"
J Hughes Dunphy

Peter A. said...

Sorry for not offering a substantial post...but a cursory view of this list makes me nervous...I think the traditional movement is in trouble.

MarkT said...

Well, going through the list it seems to be more of the same-old more or less.

But please God, let it not be Cardinal Schönborn.

Яша said...

I'm wishing for Peter II

Terth said...

Peter: I think the traditional movement is in trouble.

...And that's what they said when John Paul II died.

Alan Aversa said...

Which on this list is the most Thomist?

Woody said...

From what I have seen and know, in addition to the others mentioned, Cipriani and dePaolis would both be good.

porys said...

What about diNardo?

balthasar said...

Nice list Anon, but seems to be a little too much mixing of positive and normative. We'd all like Ranjith or Burke, but there's no chance either are on the list of possible candidates. Same for Cipriani, he has never bothered to offer incense to 'social justice' and has actually been outspoken to the contrary. This conclave won't choose any of them. Bagnasco, however, is a possibility worth praying for.

But who knows? The only certainty I have is that the Holy Spirit will protect us from Tagle.

tramtrist said...

What are people's thoughts on Scola? He is mentioned often in the mainstream media and I first read about him on Rorate after he moved to Milan

LeonG said...

Considering that he had a serious fall and was ill a few times it is little surprising. I have expected this for the last two years. In addition, the modern church is ungovernable and effectively leaderless in any case.
Unfortunately, it will take much more than a new pope to restore all things in Christ.

jp said...

I think this list is more likely:
Ouellet
Bagnasco
Scola
Ranjit
Piacenza
Why Pell is not mentioned in any list?
I also think that shonborn has no chance

I am not Spartacus said...

After many days and many ballots that do not result in the election of some putative Papabile, I expect a virtually unknown Bishop to be elected through the promptings of the Holy Ghost and it will have been the Holy Ghost, working in ways unseen, who will have been responsible for preparing his soul for this most radical of times and urgent of tasks.

What will result from the conclave will shock the world; and once the new Pope beings taking decisions the world will gnash its teeth in anger and ask itself why, given its resources and contacts and schemers and plotters in Rome, why it was never prepared for such a man and such an eventuality.

Prepare for Satan to unleash a furious and unprecedented storm of hatred and enmity, the likes of which will make the last fifty years of modernist insanity seem like a well-ordered and sedate antebellum ball.

It will be a beautiful time to be alive and, finally, again, to be worthy of the world's hatred.

Truly, after one-half century of perfidy and pathetic political praxis, God's patience has been exhausted.

He is coming to rescue His Bride who was dragged out of the Church and cast into the darkness by sel-serving modernists who tried to make their peace with the world.

The revolution is over and the restoration is at hand. Thanks be to God.

Francis said...

"jp said...
I think this list is more likely:
Ouellet
Bagnasco
Scola
Ranjit
Piacenza
Why Pell is not mentioned in any list?
I also think that shonborn has no chance"

My money is on Scola, though I hope I'm wrong. Bagnasco is the best in the bunch while Schonborn is the absolute worst IMHO.

Jim B. said...

Does anyone know who the three canonizations mentioned were?

Arthur said...

Peter II for the win!

PRP said...

I am not Spartacus, you echo the feeling I have in my own guts.

Benedict Carter said...

I am not Spactacus:

No harm in mad optimism I suppose.

Argentinean said...

What do you think about Card. Barbarin, the Archbishop of Lyon (France)? Don't forget his "bi-formalist" seminary and the daily Tridentine Mass in Lyon.

balthasar said...

I'm glad we have at least one unfettered optimist to balance out us gloomy melancholics. Thanks, Spartacus.

RogerThat said...

What will His Holiness be doing until Feb. 28th? I wonder, I wonder...

RogerThat said...

I mean, what pending works does His Holiness have to finish...

Gregorius VII ora pro nobis said...

I think it's probably safe to rule out the following:

- An Anglo-Saxon (none in the College);
- An Italian (precedence and the view of the Papacy as "global")
- A non-European (precedence and the view of the Papacy as not *that* "global")
-A Frenchman (state of the French church)

To be honest, given the state of the German church I'd probably rule them out, and I'm not aware of a Spaniard with the clout. Which leaves us with the possibility of an East European.

On specifics:

Cardinal Burke is liturgically-minded and orthodox, but from my reading of his homilies and letters is not a great intellect: while certainly capable of identifying evils in the church, I do not believe he can catechise effectively.

Cardinal Ranjith is said to be very good by some, but others claim he hasn't done much, despite his more traditional speeches.

Cardinal Schonborn I think has blotted his copy-book quite enough to probably be discounted safely, too (I hope!).

Cardinal Canizares Llovera is known as the "little Ratzinger", but is also apparently seen as a bit of an intellectual featherweight.

Cardinal O'Brien, I think, is probably not papabile.

As an aside, does anyone know if I am correct in my assumption that Eastern Catholic cardinals can neither vote nor become Pope, and that the title Cardinal is therefore essentially honorary?

I am not Spartacus said...

Dear Balthasar (and others). The theological virtue of Hope can only be experienced and actualised when one finds himself in an era in which there are no material or rational reasons for Hope; that is, the irony of the last one-half century of modernist rule is that it has helped keep Hope alive :)

NBW said...

Some of the names on that list scare me. We need to do a lot of praying and fasting; especially after looking over that list of possibilities.

Anonymous said...

Cardinal Piacenza seems to be being ignored here. He is also a disciple of Siri and has certainly been seen to say the Old Rite. Bagnasco is good, but Siri's true heir is Piacenza, who has always been the more conservative of the two. Plus, he really knows how the curia works and could bring in some real reforms there. Piacenza for me.

Felix Romanus (though not so "felix" today)

balthasar said...

Interesting, Felix Romanus. I had never heard of Cardinal Piacenza before, but your comment made me look him up. He's got Curial credentials. I also like his comparative youth: 68 years old.

I'm sold.

Concerned Student said...

What about Cardinal Turkson? THe Albany, NY Times Union has been endorsing him since well before the Pope's resignation -- very interesting. Do they know something we don't?

Anonymous said...

+JMJ+

Cardinal Piacenza seems to be a balanced choice, based on the premise Cardinals Burke and Ranjith will not be chosen.

But I wonder if an Italian will ever be chosen again? At least anytime soon. Perhaps Piacenza and Bagnasco have no chance? Seems Latin America keeps coming up, with Mueller actually saying he would vote for someone from Latin America over a European.

Which brings us back to Brazil, perhaps...

??

AMDG

James

jp said...

I definitely hope for a Siri bloke, no matter who.

Wendell said...

Two words: too early. I suppose it had to start sometime, somewhere. Talk of papabile and such just seems too early.

That said, let us give thanks to God for a good pope who served well and, seeking God's mercy, for a good pope to lead us.

jp said...

And by the way, what a shame that the patriarch of Venice is not a cardinal yet.

Leo said...

I happened to be around Cardinal De Paolis in the very moments we received the news, at the end of a canon law conference. So I could ask him if it was true and what he thought would follow. He did not know anything certain either, but was cautious enough to mention that the decision of His Holiness was not as unexpected as I had perceived it. Perhaps it has been there for a while in the Roman air?

As for the idea of De Paolis becoming pope, I would like to note that earlier this morning he gave a free talk eulogizing the II Vatican Council and the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which he called the last document of the council. This assertion, even if taken metephorically, belies a typical neo-con attitude towards the post-conciliar era, and makes it extremely difficult to reject the opposite (liberal) view of the 'spirit of the council'. For if we call a text promulgated two decades after the council a 'document of the council' itself, why not attribute anything else that came from Rome in those years to the same council too?

It would be very disturbing if such nonsensical language eventually became enshrined in pontifical teaching, so please do not pray for De Paolis becoming pope. He would be much more of a John Paul III than of a Benedict XVII.

GQ Rep said...

Tagle is too young, and has too much liberal baggage.

That he was appointed a Cardinal at all was a big mistake!

Ivan K said...

I posted these questions in the other thread, but they seem more appropriate here. Forgive the repetition.

Two questions for those who are in the know:

(1) Is there any chance that Bishop Athanasius Schneider might be elected?

(2) Is it possible that the Holy Father did this so that he could influence the election of the next Pope?

Reig said...

Piacenza has said that the Vatican II must be read on knees. Someone who say something like this cannot be a good choice.

Laurence said...

From my research in Catholic prophecy, it will be Cardinal Comastri, and he will take the name of Pius XIII.

Johannes de Silentio said...

Concerned Student, I assure you, the Albany Times Union, like the vast majority of the press, despises the Catholic Church. Their coverage of Turkson was due to his local connection and a recent visit, so I wouldn't say they're pushing his candidacy. But if they were, that would be a troubling sign more than anything else.

Timothy Mulligan said...

It's going to be Angelo Scola and more of the same.

Matt said...

Well, having spoken to those in the circles I move in which include a couple of priests, Rome is not interested in an American Pope, so Burke is out of the running in that regard. Then again as we have seen over the past fifty years, never say never!!

Hopefully, the succeeding Holy Father will appoint Burke to the CDF, then at least we can breathe a little bit easier. Guido Marini may be on the way out also.

Let's just pray a little more, folks, and now since we are entering Lent, let's sacrifice a little more also. Something has to tip at this point. We just pray the Church's face is to the front again and Tradition gets a better foot forward. As was mentioned earlier, piecemealing Tradition back in doesn't work. Definitive action needs to be taken.

Robert said...

God I hope and pray Cardinal Burke is chosen!.

Shakespeare's Spiritual Director said...

How many of these papabile are more "traditional" than Pope Benedict? When I look at the number of liberal-leaning cardinals voting, I find it hard to believe that a more "traditional" pope than Benedict will emerge. At best, it seems that "reform in continuity" may continue to have the day (at best)

What might this mean for tradition, or for the SSPX in particular? I think it will be more of the John Paul style "tolerance" for the latin mass, but a toning down of documents like universae ecclesiae. I suspect the SSPX will be excommunicated.

Let's be honest: How many cardinals want the SSPX in the fold? ...you got your answer right there.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

El Cid said...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Oswald Gracias of Bombay or Peter Turkson of Ghana. Both are true and pious men. The latter, of course, has the possible added benefit of being able to call himself Pope Peter.

Whomever the new pope is, he will have to brace himself for conflict against the diabolical men and women inside the Vatican. The implied message in Pope Benedict's abdication is that the College of Cardinals would be well advised to find someone with the vigor equal to the task.

And, perhaps, to bring back the practice of auto da fe ...

Peterman said...

No offense meant here but you guys are dreaming. On Palm Sunday you'll see no one else but the glorious Pope Bertone riding in. Lord help us.

Gladius said...

Does the new pope need a great intellect so as to catechize effectively?

Let the Traditional Latin Mass and the daily rosary be our only catechism, at least until we get back on our feet.

oreoman said...

If THERE IS A POPE JOHN-PAUL III.
GOD HELPS US.

triniroop said...

roman peter is bertone

GQ Rep said...

I saw the clip of Pope Benedict XVI giving his resignation address to the Cardinals this morning. It has been repeated on CNN dozens of times.
I'm not a physician of course, but I remember what the Pope looked like at Christmas only seven weeks ago, and what he looked like today. I personally believe that there is something very seriously worng with him, to have declined so badly in less than two months.
He has lost a good deal of weight, especially in the face. He looks exhausted and unwell. He was almost too weak/frail to rise from his throne and leave the podium. He had to be helped. I do not expect him to survive long after leaving office.
Although I respect Benedict XVI for his courage, I think he should have remained in office until death. Had he stayed for just another year, it would have prevented a pack of aged liberals from being able to vote (Bertone, Re, Kasper, Danneels).

I am not in the least hopeful about the next Pope. I pray for the very best in the same mold of Benedict XVI or even better....but I hold no illusions. As much as I pray, I don;t expect the best.

We had for nearly 8 years among the best. The crop of cardinals that will elect his successor are, to quote from a movie I even forgot the title of "a sea of mediocrity"

I think that quote was said by Salieri in the classic 1984 Oscar winning film "Amadeus"

But it describes the cardinals very well.

xavier said...



I would favor Cardinal Arinze. Charismatic. Orthodox. Experienced.

White Tiger said...

Cardinal Burke.

Athelstane said...

I would favor Cardinal Arinze. Charismatic. Orthodox. Experienced.

He is also 80 years old. Which would not only make him too old to vote in the conclave, but the oldest Pope ever elected.

No, that's not going to happen. His chance was in 2005. It's too late for him now. In any event, he has no love for the TLM.

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Peterman said...

triniroop said...

roman peter is bertone

Agreed. Hate to say it, just my opine but: fait accompli.

John (Ad Orientem) said...

Not being Catholic (much less a cardinal) my opinion is probably of no consequence. But since it has become an interesting topic for the water cooler I am rather inclined towards Antonio Cardinal Cañizares.

J.G.Ratkaj, Salvador da Bahia said...

Given the lamentabe state of the Roman church as a sign of new beinning they should elect Cryll of Moscow.

Sancrucensis said...

Another good cardinal that no one has mentioned yet is Carlo Caffarra, Archbishop of Bologna.

Archimandrite Gregory said...

I can understand the shock and grief so many of you are feeling. I too feel so hurt and sleepless. However, His Holiness is much sicker than he is letting on, as most fathers do with their children. I watched the mass on February 2, witnessing a very frail man having to carried up the
steps to the Altar, and then loosing his crozier, it being caught by Msgr. Marini. It would not surprise me if he isn't in the Land of the Blessed within a matter of months. Finally if you believe that the election is guided by the Holy Spirit, why worry about who the next Pope will be?

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John Nolan said...

After 35 years it would be fitting to have a Italian as Bishop of Rome. Schoenborn? He can't even manage the Austrian Church. Turkson is not in the same league as Arinze, who is too old. None of the Latin American cardinals is up to much.

Ora et Labora said...

I am hoping for Petrus Romanus.
At this point in history I hope St. Malachi's prophecies would be fulfilled.

Why???

I am awaiting for the Return of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

No Good Pope, or French Monarch will do for me anymore.

Not that I ever believed in the so called "French Monarch".

The only one who can make everything right will be Our Lord.

In regards to the next Pope well may God help us because as GQ rightly quoted from the movie Amadeus what we have is a SEA OF MEDIOCRITY.

And looking back on what has happened with the Holy Father resigning it has made me reflect on the fact that our Holy Father Benedict XVI was one of the best Popes to guide the Church in this new century as well as in this time of crisis that have marked the Church for over the past 30 to 50 years.

As I have said before I didn't agree with everything the Holy Father did, but maybe I like many of you didn't understand what he as spiritual father was doing for the good of the Church, meanwhile the wolves were probably lurking around always on attack mode.

We will never understand the burden of the Papacy and it is even more burdensome when the Holy Father is trying to keep the peace with so much opposition from left, right, and center. Opposition and criticism from those who call themselves his friends and supporters and from all the enemies in and out of the Church to anything he said or did.

We will never know how much tragedy the Pope was trying to avoid on Christians all over the world with Governments who are out to promote their evil diabolical agendas and also from members of the clergy who instead of following his example to improve the liturgy etc. oppossed him on every attempt he made.

And then let's not forget the ultra Traditionlists or Sedevancatist who have called Pope Benedict an agent of Antichrist, an apostate, an antipope, a false pope, an ursurper and a servant of the Sinagogue of Satan etc.

Please don't attack me for what I am typing I have read blogs with all these kinds of insults and attacks on the Holy Father I myself have been a harsh on him from time to time and I am sorry!

The truth is that I am sadden that he won't be no longer Pope.

But I do thank you Holy Father for everything that you did especially for bringing back the Traditional Mass and for your efforts to help Tradition back to the Church

Who will be the next Pope only the Good Lord knows.

I don't want to think about this conclave because most of the names on this list I find quite alarming.

And I am praying with all my heart that Christoph Schönborn WILL NOT be even consider but you know what, he could be chosen.

But I pray: please Lord don't let it happen.


Our Lady Help of Christians pray for us!!!

Barbara said...

Thank you dear Archimandrite Gregory for your consoling words. They help me a lot. My heart goes out to Pope Benedict and I know Our Lord will never ever fail us.

Also I agree with you "Ora et labora" when you wrote this:

"We will never know how much tragedy the Pope was trying to avoid on Christians all over the world with Governments who are out to promote their evil diabolical agendas and also from members of the clergy who instead of following his example to improve the liturgy etc. oppossed him on every attempt he made."

It was the clergy's opposition (or complete ignoring) of the Holy Father's attempts at restoration of the Holy Mass that we have experienced here. Plus their complete neglect in discussing in no uncertain terms the "non-negotiables" as Pope Benedict called them.

Shame on them.

I hope they will one day realise the gravity of what they have done or what they have neglected to do.



Prayers.

Barbara

MC Man said...

Eastern Rite Cardinals can vote and become Pope

Anonymous said...

Dear readers:

I think Sodano has true and real possibilities to be elected Pope.

Kind regards,

JMS

Anonymous said...

italian insider

Erdo
scola
Ouellet
Sandri
O'Malley
Braz


.....Zen

Anonymous said...

I ma putting my money on Johnny Proctor. We need a Pope with real-world military experience who can fight off the threat of Islam.

Amy +

Larry Betson said...

Has anyone seen this post on Holy Souls Hermitage site?
http://holysoulshermitage.com/2013/02/11/two-warnings-for-the-next-roman-pontiff/

I wonder if something forced him out of the chair.

Stephen Korsman said...

Archbishop Athanasius Schneider

Alan Aversa said...

The three Card. Siri disciples are:

1. Angelo Cardinal Bagnasco Archbishop of Genova {Genoa}, Italy
2. Mauro Cardinal Piacenza Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy
3. Domenico Cardinal Calcagno President of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See (He is to "administer the properties owned by the Holy See in order to provide the funds necessary for the Roman Curia to function." —Pastor Bonus, 172.)

These three should be Thomists.

Alan Aversa said...

Piacenza hasn't publicly celebrated a TLM. Bagnasco has. (See the list.) Therefore, of the Siri cardinals, Bagnasco is who I'm rooting for (although Calcagno, being in charge of the Vatican finances, would be an interesting testimony of the pope's temporal and spiritual powers ☺).

Bagnasco has
1. the most episcopal experience of the Siri cardinals (15 years versus 9 and 11 for Piacenza and Calcagno, respectively).
2. celebrated the TLM, unlike Piacenza and Calcagno

Pablo the Mexican said...

It won't be any of the names mentioned.

Peter II will come from the place Our Lord has preserved him until this moment.

*

Alan Aversa said...

Here are the Vatican.va bios of the three Siri cardinals:

Bagnasco
Piacenza
Calcagno

Larry Betson said...

Has anyone read this on the "Holy Souls Hermitage" site? I wonder if he did not leave based on this news.

http://holysoulshermitage.com/2013/02/11/two-warnings-for-the-next-roman-pontiff/

Francis said...

There's alot of rumors about Cardinal Péter Erdő being the new "frontrunner" to be the next Pope. I truly hope and pray that it's Cardinal Bagnasco, but barring a miracle from Heaven I think it will be either Erdo or Scola. I hope I'm wrong.

LeonG said...

Ora et Labora

"....our Holy Father Benedict XVI was one of the best Popes to guide the Church in this new century...'

Out of two popes so far since 2000 are you not exaggerating somewhat here?

Stefan said...

I'll try to stir it up...

Don't forget that although for centuries only cardinals have been elected Pope, any baptised and unmarried Catholic male adult can be elected to the position, as long as he has no ecclesiastical or divine law preventing him from being so. Should the person elected not be a bishop, the Ordo rituum conclavis states that he will be ordained as such after his assent.

Don't say it can't happen... last week you wouldn't have bet that Benedict would resign!

TinaInAshburn said...

Wonder if Fr Byer's privately known reasons are covered in this article.

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2013-0215-ferrara-pope-abdicates.htm

One of his points is that BXVI would not be coerced into canonizing PVI or JPII. Conjecture.

B. said...

Some people here have predicted Cardinal Bertone.
There was an interesting Interview in a German newspaper today with Cardinal Meisner, in which he related that he went to the pope with a mandate of several Cardinals and asked him to sack Bertone.
The pope replied: "Now listen to me. Bertone stays. Basta! Basta! Basta!"

Make of it what you will, but if a group of Cardinals (and Meisner is an influential Cardinal) asks the pope to sack Bertone, I don't think they will vote for him in a conclave.

GQ Rep said...

It would be awesome if before he goes, Benedict XVI creates a half dozen more Cardinals in a consistory...naming a man who should have topped the list last time, the new Patriarch of Venice, Francesco Moraglia,59.

Everyone is touting Scola, but he is 71 and is the "old school" John Paul II type Cardinal...the model of the Church which failed so badly.
Some people are crying for Arinze, but he is over 80! Some want the liberal Cardinal Turkson of Ghana, but didn't he discredit himself badly with some scandal about Muslims?

Some circles want Sodano....that's laughable!

A few names I'd like to mention....Bagnasco, Burke, Ranjith, and Cipriani Thorne (Archbishop of Lima).

Thank God Muller (CDF) can't even vote.

It would be truely historic if Cardinals voted for Moraglia even though he is not a Cardinal. In 1958, there was a move to support Montini of Milan even though he was not a Cardinal. Had he gotten it, he would have been Pope for 20 years, and Vatican II would never have happened.

Ora et Labora said...

LeonG,

Maybe I exagerated a bit according to you, but not according to myself.

I am well aware we are only 13 years into the new century and we only had two popes since 2000, but hey I don't know what the future holds at least for me, maybe two or three popes will be all that I will witness in my life time.

And this soon to be conclave has me nervous about who will be leading the Church in the years to come.

The cardinals on the list seem to me and maybe even to other people, men who if elected pope can after the Pontificate of Benedict XVI, end up bringing more chaos into the Church.

So yes, Benedict is so far the best I have seen in this new century to lead the Catholic Church. But then I also said that he was best to man to lead the Church in this time of crisis for over the past 30 to 50 years.

Please feel free to disagree. The way I see it is he was chosen Pope the other possible candidates in past conclaves were not, no matter how holy and perfect for the Papacy they would have been they were not chosen, so case close.

I also want to be clear on this I am not idolizing Benedict I am not sure I agree with his decision to resign as Pope but he did it, and there is nothing we can do about that. It is done.

Maybe he could have done much more for Catholicism and Tradition. Maybe he did all the Lord had charge him to do during his short Pontificate. Only God knows, I am not the Pope he was and still is and as a Catholic I respect him as the successor of Peter.

I am praying for him and I suggest all of us should continue to pray for him as well.

God bless you Pope Benedict XVI.


PS allow me to take this opportunity to correct myself on my double negative statement in my previous post.

This is what I meant to type

"The truth is that I am sadden that he will no longer be Pope."

Alan Aversa said...

@Sancrucensis: Yes, Card. Caffarra is a very good bet. He's the only Italian cardinal to have said the TLM since the introduction of the Novus (dis)Ordo. Being Italian certainly gives him a chance of being pope; he specializes in matrimony, medical ethics, moral theology, and has a doctorate in canon law.

The New York Times interviewed him in 1988, and he gave a very solid response regarding AIDS and contraception: "Even the smallest moral wrong is so much greater than any physical wrong," he said. "I know this is hard for some to accept when the dangers are great, but the church is here to combat moral wrongs."

Here's his biography from the Vatican website.

Alan Aversa said...

Card. Caffarra seems better than Card. Bagnasco because the latter said that the Old Covenant is still valid. ☹

Sancrucensis said...

@Alan Aversa: Tracey Rowland has this to say about Cardinal Caffarra: "Caffarra was so strongly attacked in the press for defending Humanae Vitae he received a letter of support and encouragement from Sr. Lucia of Fatima. (When you start receiving support letters from someone who has private audiences with the Mother of God you know that you must be very high on the devil's hate list.) " http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1983/the_pope_and_the_philistines.aspx#.USMpHVrirA-

Alan Aversa said...

Thanks for the Card. Caffarra citation, Sancrucensis.