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National Review: "The New Pope and the Old Mass"

National Review is often the home of George Weigel and other "mid-conservative" Catholics still mourning the loss of John Paul II.  It was surprising, and thus encouraging, to read a post on its website entitled "The New Pope and the Old Mass."

Authored by Nicholas Frankovich, the piece concludes with the following analysis:

If Ranjith were Jewish, he would be Orthodox. Most of the electors, including Scola, would probably be Conservative. Do the Conservative electors who are Orthodox-leaning outnumber those who lean Reform? It’s hard to say, if the next pope is Scola. If it’s Ranjith, the answer is yes.

19 comments:

Cruise the Groove. said...

The Church needs either Cardinal Ranjith or Burke.

Anyone else will be a backtrack.

My 2 cents.

Jacob said...

I am not in the "know". What would it mean to traditional Catholics if Scola is elected? On EWTN radio they all predicted Scola would be the next Pope.

Athelstane said...

National Review's Catholic coverage is, as most of us know, dominated by George Weigel ("New Evangelization" 24/7) and Kathryn Jean Lopez (culture war beat) - both of whom are at least basically orthodox, but who are basically operating from a John Paul II paradigm - like so much of NRO, seemingly lodged in an earlier era. Every now and then, however, a piece like this one slips through on to the site.

George probably grumped a bit when he saw it surfing from Rome.

As it is, Frankovich's piece is hardly true-blue traditionalist - the TLM is seen still as more a means to an end than an end in itself. But at least he takes the liturgical crisis seriously. And his closing observation seems dead on.

One other point:

As the rising line representing attendance at the old Mass approaches the falling line representing attendance at the new, discussion of how to integrate the two missals should come into clearer focus.

We are a long, long way away from that happening in the U.S. (let alone Canada) as P.K.T.Perkins would remind us, but it's not such a far-fetched prospect in France, where traditionalist vocations have surged and lay attendance at the TLM has grown steadily while the rest of the French Church continues its rapid auto-demolition. But it's already apparent that traditionalists and semi-traditionalists are batting above their weight in the U.S. and the Vatican. We must pray for a Pope that will continue this essential work. That seems most likely to be Ranjith if it is anyone; if Scola is elected, we may have to make do with less encouragement from on high than we have enjoyed the last eight years, and remember to be thankful it wasn't someone worse.

definitionplease said...

Would someone please define traditionalist.

Sancrucensis said...

@Jacob: There's an interesting piece by a modernist theologian on Scola and the Liturgy here: http://www.praytellblog.com/index.php/2013/03/01/liturgical-views-of-the-papabili-cardinal-angelo-scola/

Uncle Claibourne said...

Of course, who knows for sure....

But with the raids in the Milan area, and elsewhere in Italy, immediately before the Cardinals entered the Conclave, that touched some notable Communion and Liberation people, I'd be surprised at this point if His Eminence Cardinal Scola is elected. Given the current climate and dynamics, even a slight possibility of connection to a scandal may be enough to sink a candidacy.

IM said...

Where is PKTP anyways?

Barbara said...

"Where is PKTP anyways?"

Yes, where are you Mr.Perkins? We miss you... your crackling analyses and fine humour...

Ian said...

Ouellet is pro FSSP.

Almagne said...

@ Jacob:
My understanding is that Cardinal Schola was generous to the FSSP in Venice, and is supportive of the Traditional Ambrosian Rite in Milan. He seems he would be supportive of EF, although he probably would not celebrate it.

Benedict Carter said...

IM:

PKTP - editing Volume LXVI of his Collected Works.

Fred said...

I could not possibly agree more:

"The Church needs either Cardinal Ranjith or Burke. Anyone else will be a backtrack."

Jacob said...

Thanks for the feed back. It sounds like we are OK if it is Scola, Quellet,Burke, and I think Bagnasco. When we have a Pope, if ya'll can post comments on if he is going to be friendly to tradition or not will be greatly appreciatted by us who aren't up on such things.

Kathleen said...

This article is far more disturbing than encouraging.

They simply see the rise of the Mass of Ages as an opportunity to pollute it with their filth as well in their mission to produce their hybrid Mass abomination.

May God have mercy upon us and bring their wretched desires to naught.

iowapapist said...

Ranjith or Burke only? What about Bagnasco? I don't know a lot about him, but it seems that he would be tough enough to deal with the Curia and, one would think, orthodox as he is a protege of the late Cardinal Siri. Does anyone have an informed opinion regarding Cardinal Bagnasco?

iowapapist said...

Ranjith or Burke only? What about Bagnasco? I don't know a lot about him, but it seems that he would be tough enough to deal with the Curia and, one would think, orthodox as he is a protege of the late Cardinal Siri. Does anyone have an informed opinion regarding Cardinal Bagnasco?

LeonG said...

Kathleen

Thank you for your comment. I have been stressing this since the SP. Hybridisation is on the menu. Many here and elsewhere just fail to comprehend the motives because they do not understand the nature of the modernist philosophy. The only way to fully complete Bugnini's liturgical opus is by reducing The Mass of The Ages to a multilingual hybrid.

LeonG said...

We do not want a pope who will continue the liturgical hybridisation process. This is what is going to happen if genuine traditionalist Roman Catholics allow themselves to be lulled into compromises already being made with through the councils. This is one reason why we need to be critical of conciliar liturgical approaches. They are still activate in the minds of those who are possible papal candidates. The liturgy is by no means out of such dangers. Liberal modernism remains the dominant force throughout the contemporary church. The candidates touted so often as being "traditional" or "sympathetic" are certainly not against further liturgical meddling and change. The last 60 years of this process demonstrates how sterile and poisonous that has been for the Roman Catholic Church.

Anonymous said...

In answer to the question from screen-name "definitioniplease,"

A Traditionalist Catholic is simply a Catholic who believes only the Catholic Faith in its entirety as every Catholic before 1965 believed and who worships in exactly the same way as every Catholic worshipped before 1965. As a Traditionalist, I simply say I want the Catholic Faith. I do not want any other.