Rorate Caeli

Rorate Correspondent Dr. Rao, from Rome

41 comments:

Reluctant Pessimist said...

Sad to say, you know things are bad when commenters on the election are reduced to praising the new pope for his opposition to sodomite marriage. Will we soon be told that he's also opposed to exposing unwanted infants on the hillside and flogging pet dogs and cats to death?

To paraphrase what Luke's Gospel shows Our Lord Himself noting, even our enemies frequently exhibit this level of decency. Surely the bar of papal admirability needs to be set higher!

I pray that it will be and that the Holy Father will aim at vaulting it.

Andrew said...

And yet I hardly ever hear even priests openly oppose the current world view, and only certain bishops with the aid of the internet.

Prof X said...

As Dr. Rao points out, the battle for the Church will be won from the ground up.

We need to re-dedicate ourselves to Christ, our families, our parishes, and our good and faithful priests.

As Catholics we should hope for the best, but brace for the worst. We should prepare ourselves to ride out the storm, if that is what's coming.

At the same time, we ought to support and pray earnestly for our new Holy Father. We may very well be pleasantly surprised. For all the red flags we see, there are some bright lights as well.

I'm not speaking [merely] of his orthodoxy, but rather of his humility, Marian devotion, and prayerfulness. They all seem quite genuine, and they are good things.

Martyjo said...

What most good Traditional Catholics seem to be overlooking, I did so myself at first, is that Pope Francis has a very particular devotion to the Blessed Virign and is known to recite 15 decades of her rosary daily. He also has the humility to make the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart if he first accepts this as the will of God.

I know he has kept contact with Fr. Nicholas Gruner over the years, and in a very positive sense in relation to the Message and Secret of Fatima. In fact, he told Fr. Gruner in a letter that there are two churches within the Archdiocese of Buones Aires dedicated to Our Lady of Fatima where the First Saturday devotions take place every month.

Additionally, his titular church in Rome when elected Cardinal was the church of St. Robert Bellarmine whose feast day is May 13, the date of the first apparition of Our Lady at Fatima.

Providence also seems to be at work in the date chosen by the Pope for his inauguration Mass, March 19 the feast of St. Joseph. It is on this date that the SSPX is to be consecrated to St. Joseph.

I'm actually quite bouyed by all these seeming coincidences. It could be that Our Lord will turn this election on the liberals. A Pope who is humble and devoted to Our Lady will surely not become a cause of further pain for the Church. Maybe this is the answer to that rosary crusade the SSPX and others offered for the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary last year, which at first appeared to go unanswered. We'll see! But let us not forget that, despite his past, Pope Francis now has the assistance of the Holy Ghost in a particular way. The grace of his Pontifical office may well change him. Wouldn't it be something if he turned out to be the Pope who ushers in the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary? Fr. Gruner seems to believe that there is a prophecy concerning this. I hope he's right.

Jeremiah Methuselah said...

Reluctant Pessimist, I’m with you on that and, what’s more, I do not accept the claim that “the Church is a dying Church”.

The Remnant is and always was, a superb newspaper. I know it’s early days, but Remnant TV needs to boss up a bit. I didn’t learn one single thing from this l o n g drawn out video. Sorry for that Michael.

Introitus said...

Is it really true that traditionalists will comprise the remnant? I'd like to think so, but there are charismatic movements like the Neocatechumenal Way that are growing at an unprecedented rate and churning out many vocations.

Don M said...

I saw the interview.
I think Mr. Matt has the right position here.
A possible look to the future might be when Pelosi and Biden attend the installation Mass of Pope Francis.
Will they Recieve our Lord at Mass?

I am praying & doing penance for our Holy Father Francis.
WE are Roman Catholic, lets do our part here. PENANCE ,Prayer Sacrifice, all for the Bride of Christ and the Pope who sits in the seat of Peter.

John said...

DICI has report from Argentine District. See DICI

Gerard said...

Each Pope has contributed to the incremental implementation of a model of the papacy described by Hans Kung and a few other like minded dissidents.

My speculation is that this pontiff's energies will be devoted to reducing the papacy itself under the guise of a false humility. The goal is to make the Pope first among equals. No exercise of infalliblity or supreme legislation unless it is to suppress non-progressives.

Most actions against the faith of the people will be continued by the people and in passive aggressive ways.

There wil probably not be any formal doctrinal formulations of heterodox beliefs. (Actions will be quite different.)

Lex Orendi, Lex Credendi. How we pray is how we believe. Inconsistent and superficial liturgy means inconsistent and superficial belief.

After seeing the various ecumenical scandals and atrocities and the spiritual poverty of his liturgies, I can only conclude that he is spiritually impoverished and overcompensates with social justice.

He needs prayers and he needs prudence to guide the much talked about humility.




Spero said...

I keep hearing people say he has a scholarly mind, but I have yet to hear anyone comment on what is in that mind. All I have heard are a few comments about liturgy, ecumenism, and moral issues. Recognizing that these things are related and, perhaps, indicative, does anyone know anything about his view on dogmatic theology? For example, is he convicted that Faith is primarily of the intellect, or is the "Year of Faith" about to turn into the "Year of Hope?" Is he a Thomist? We all know Ratzinger was an Augustinian...where are the leanings of Pope Francis?

Matt said...

"The reluctant pessimist should lighten up. Let's see what he does as pope first. No one seriously thought Pius V would be elected to the throne."

The Holy Father did stop at pray at Saint Pope Pius V's tomb. Very interesting there. It's really interesting that just within the past 72 hours, there have been so many curious happenings. On face of them, they may seem random and isolated, but taking a step back, there seems to be tie-in. Just IMO, BTW.

authoressaurus said...

I'm not impressed by his "humility." As the Jews say to a proud begger, "Take it, it's a blessing for me to be able go give." This office is not about his personal qualities, it's about becomming both Christ's vicar, His representative, and the successor of Peter. Bergoglio wouldn't have let Martha pour the oil over his head, but Christ's Vicar should. And making the condition of Christ's POOR more about your personal regard for them than about feeding their spirits, is false humility in the extreme. The poor are always with us; Christ tells us that, and it is their spirits that the church looks after, first, not their bodies. Feed the body first and foremost, and all you get is a zombie. I am not impressed. It's back to the swingin' sixties, folks. And here you thought you had grown up and learned to think like a man, and had put away childish things. Not so, not so, says Bergoglio.

backtothefuture said...

I have a feeling some of the liberal cardinals are going to come to regret voting for pope Francis. I also hope that as time passes and he becomes more comfortable, he accepts some of the trappings that he might be avoiding now.

Robert said...

Looks like this was short lived. livedhttp://youtu.be/mEdyIvvUJB0

Benedict Carter said...

Martyjo: I liked your post a lot.

Introitus: " ... there are charismatic movements like the Neocatechumenal Way ...".

The foundational documents of the Neocats are Lutheran. An extremely dangerous and divisive group, a ect-in-the-making. For their heretical positions, see the following links:

http://tiny.cc/id8ztw

http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2002/features_oct02.html

http://eraofpeace.tripod.com/nch-catechesis.html

http://tiny.cc/nf8ztw

Allan said...

I am reading online reports that, at his visit to St. Mary Major this morning, Francis ordered Cardinal Law (he apparently has custody of it) out of the church and never to show his face there or in the Holy Father's presence again.

Can Rorate confirm this?

opinions said...

DICI has report from Argentine District. See DICI"

Not interested. I read years ago their reports on Cardinal Ratzinger. Cardinal Ratzinger was a disaster for the Church, according to the SSPX. Then Cardinal Ratzinger became Pope. How did the SSPX's opinions on Cardinal Ratzinger turn out?

Allan said...

This is the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293785/Pope-bus-Francis-shows-hes-man-people-hops-board-minibus-church-day-job.html

A snip:

"But first days are all about making a good impression - even when you’re the Pope. So when the appearance of a disgraced cardinal threatened to cast a shadow over his first engagement, Francis I made sure it couldn’t happen again - by banning him from his own church.

Cardinal Bernard Law resigned as Archbishop of Boston in 2002, after being accused of actively covering up for a litany of paedophile priests.'
Despite the scandal which exploded to engulf the entire church, he was given an honorary position at the Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore, in Rome.

Though now retired, the cardinal still enjoys a grace and favour apartment in the cathedral complex.

So hearing that the new Pope was offering prayers at the very same church, it seems he couldn’t resist a discreet peak.

But when Pope Francis recognised him, he immediately ordered that Law be removed, according to Italian media reports. He went on to command: ‘He is not to come to this church any more.’
One of the new Pope’s first acts will be to arrange new ‘cloistered’ accommodation for the disgraced cardinal, the Italian daily, Il Fatto Quotidiano, reported.

The firm stance was greeted with cautious enthusiasm by campaigners for victims of sexual abuse. David Clohessey of Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests (SNAP) said: ‘If he is permanently banned we are slightly encouraged.

believethesspxreport said...

Yesterday, Father Anthony Cekada posted information on the Pope to another thread here. He said "I talked at lunch with two young Argentine priests who teach at our seminary. Both of them had first-hand anecdotes about how bad things were in the BA archdiocese under Bergoglio. Bergoglio sounds like the reincarnation of the 70s, post-V2 Bernardin bishop, complete with the fake-humble, sell the mansion, take-the-bus shtick."

Having just read the SSPX's report on when the Pope was a Cardinal in Argentina, while it's far from gushing, Fr. Christian Bouchacourt, District Superior of South America, made it clear that Pope Francis is at leaset a benevolent and honest man.

That's much better than Fr. Cekada's opinion that Pope Francis is a "fake-humble" fraud. Just based on the fact that Father Christian Bouchacourt is a Catholic priest who, unlike Father Cekada, actually recognizes the Pope Francis is our legitimate Pope, I'll take Fr. Bouchacourt's opinion of the Pope over Fr. Cekada's opinion.

Sorry, but as a Catholic, I'm leery of anyone who tells me they don't believe that Pope Francis is a valid Pope. I just can't trust that kind of person.

Jason C. said...

Allan: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw Card. Law in that video kind of off to the side when the Holy Father was first walking in and wondered what their relationship would be like, but dang--that is harsh if it is true. I like the quote from the SNAP idiot re "slightly encouraged." Go jump in a lake. These people are right on principle, but could care less about principles: they want the church destroyed and Her money in their pockets. The existence of men like Card. Law makes SNAP's case too easy.

LeonG said...

It is obvious to me that many of the contributors here were not from the 1940/50s pre-conciliar era. We are used to the neglectful and scandalous un-Catholic excesses of the post-conciliar church.

However, we do not have faint hearts and we do not swoon at every word uttered by liberal modernist hierarchs. hese are signs to hold fast with more urgency and to be more dtermined than ever that one day we will witness the true restoration of the church and the inevitable decline of liberal modernism.

Instead we continue with our struggle in hope and with increasing Faith in Our Blessed Lord. If He had submitted at the first blow of betrayal where would any of us be now? However, he endured to death on The Holy Cross. He left followers many of whom also died cruel deaths keeping faithful to Him. Would we be able to emulate such heroism in The Faith should this day ever return? Let us pray that be so.

Thus, I must ask why there are so many defeatists contributing here with remarks that not only lack real objectivity but also demonstrate a distinct lack of Roman Catholic perseverence and so many who jump the gun and condemn this poor new pope of ours who has only just begun his pontificate.

Our Blessed Lord has not left us orphans and He continues as He has done always no matter who occupies the papal throne. Moreover, we need to give Pope Francis some time to settle and then to make an assessment. What he did before may not be in keeping with what he will do. Perhaps, it will. How can we predict? He certainly stopped for a moment of prayer before the tomb of Pope St Pius V in St Mary Major. At this moment who knows what will happen?

In the meantime, Our Blessed Lady has given us sure remedies against despair & loss of Faith in these uncertain times - The Holy Rosary; Prayer; Sacrifice and Penance. St Pio of Pietrelcina advised his prayer groups to pray with holy joy. Sometimes Our Father in Heaven would like to see us pray like this.

The moment Pope Francis I was elected we had a stream of disapproval that belies fairness and equitability. We must allow him time - some time during which we can pray and make some small scarifices on his behalf in the hope Our Blessed Lady will inspire him to do as her Son tells him.

Claudius said...

We shall get to the point where those who reject bestiality will, on that basis alone, be characterized as rabid fascists.

So be it. Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.

Long-Skirts said...

SWEET
HOME
VATICANA

Sweet home Vaticana
Save the Faith that we know's true
Sweet home Vaticana
Lord, we’re gonna' fight for You

In the States they love their Cardinals
They love the Irish, but just two
Well, I hope you will remember
Only Burke was tried and true

Sweet home Vaticana
Save the Faith that we know's true
Sweet home Vaticana
Lord, we're gonna' fight for You

Well I know they hate the Old Mass
But it's the whole Faith through and through
Tradition's Priesthood does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you

Sweet home Vaticana
Save the Faith that we know's true
Sweet home Vaticana
Lord, we're gonna' fight for You

Now there's a Bishop from the Swiss mounts
Handin' down what's given from You
Saintly Shepherds grow by all counts
To save our souls when we feel blue

I'm tellin' you...

Sweet home Vaticana
Goin' down since Vatican II
Sweet home Vaticana
Lord, we're gonna' fight for You!

Jean-Francois said...

And making the condition of Christ's POOR more about your personal regard for them than about feeding their spirits, is false humility in the extreme. The poor are always with us; Christ tells us that, and it is their spirits that the church looks after, first, not their bodies. Feed the body first and foremost, and all you get is a zombie. I am not impressed. It's back to the swingin' sixties, folks. And here you thought you had grown up and learned to think like a man, and had put away childish things. Not so, not so, says Bergoglio

Many of Pope Francis' detractors seem to be implying that his concern for the poor is merely for their physical needs rather than the spiritual. In fact I read early on the opposite, that while he certainly wants to help them materially the primary concern is on their spiritual welfare. It is true that Jesus said the poor you will have with you always. He was equally critical of those who oppressed the poor. Until or unless someone has concrete evidence to the contrary I would be very careful about the derogatory and sins of detraction.

Jordanes551 said...

Well said, LeonG.

Benedict Carter said...

Opinions said:

" How did the SSPX's opinions on Cardinal Ratzinger turn out?"

They turned out to be correct. The Church is still in the hands of the Revolutionaries.

A Canberra Observer said...

Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia

bill said...

The reports of Pope Francis banning Cardinal Law from his church have much more details, including a new cloistered residence for the cardinal. The other reports say simply that the Pope 'met' with him. That is an unlikely way to begin a pontificate, so I lean toward the banning story, though I'm sure it'll be downplayed in typical Vatican manner.

Alongside that, apparently he has declined to restore the curia, a move that is usually done in the first 24 hours, and has been seen as being pro-forma. That is a good sign, if it lasts. Perhaps he has a meeting with a certain Bishop-Emeritus, and a 300 pp. reading assignment to do first...

Robert said...

Biden, Pelosi to Represent America at Pope's Inaugural Mass

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-pelosi-represent-america-popes-inaugural-mass_707643.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And the Patriarch of Constantinople (New Rome) will be there to watch. Just to make sure the Pope doesn’t give communion to pro-abortionists
.
http://marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2013/03/bartholomew-is-coming-to-inauguration.html

Should be interesting to watch!.

Jacob said...

I am watching and waiting, hoping and praying for the Church and our pontiff.

To Rorate: would it be possible in the future for a brief synopsis to accompany videos like this? It would be very helpful for a poor deaf Catholic. God bless you all.

New Catholic said...

Sorry, Jacob, and thank you for this fine suggestion.

Deacon Augustine said...

I must admit to feeling rather undecided about the new Holy Father, but for those who claim to know the motivation for his concern for the poor - and claim to know that it is an unworthy motivation - I suggest that you go to Confession at the earliest opportunity and confess to the sin of detraction.

Oppression of the poor, the widow and the orphan is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance and, as such, is of similar gravity to the sin of Sodom and murder of the innocent. It is a matter of justice that any orthodox Catholic should strive to rectify. If this Pope is serious about addressing it, then this should be to his credit - not his condemnation.

Perhaps in time, the grace of office will also bring him to confront the spiritual poverty of much of the Church's Liturgy.

JM said...

"The moment Pope Francis I was elected we had a stream of disapproval that belies fairness and equitability. We must allow him time - some time during which we can pray and make some small scarifices on his behalf in the hope Our Blessed Lady will inspire him to do as her Son tells him."

Amen.

Uncle Claibourne said...

Robert, may Francis treat them as he has apparently treated Cardinal Law.

Deacon Augustine, and others who have brought this up, thank you. A very dear friend of mine here in Dallas, who loves the Faith dearly, still thinks American/British, neoliberal, oligarchical Capitalism is the solution to all the world's ills. He spends more time reading lewrockwell.com than Quadragesimo Anno and Rerum Novarum. We have much work to do in our own house in this regard.

Stem said...

"But when Pope Francis recognised him, he immediately ordered that Law be removed"

What about the pedophile pimp Mahony who likely voted for him?

Joan A. said...

It's upsetting to me that in 2 days as Pope, he has been inexcusably rude to 2 people, Marini and Law. In both instances surely Pope Francis could have his own way, but go about it with quiet kindness. Maybe he only shows graciousness to the poor? If some drunk beggar stumbled into the Basilica instead of Law, would the Pope have been fawning all over him, and possibly in front of a camera? I hate to be suspicious, this is my impression only so far.

Gratias said...

Tell me more, tell me more, will he put up a fight?

Judge Douglass Bartley said...

I wonder whether Francis has ever excommunicated anyone? Does anyone know?
Perhaps the true test will come at the Installation Mass next Tuesday when Biden seeks Communion.

Long-Skirts said...

You know, I hate to say this but as a woman these two men make me feel so uneasy. I know that both Michael Matt & Dr. Rao are very good men but I have never seen two more scared looking guys. Truly if ever there was an example of looking like "deers caught in the headlights" it's this. So afraid to say anything negative, so unsure...that's why I look to the Office of the Priesthood and good solid Priests & Bishops to speak. It's not Mr. Matt's & Dr. Rao's fault but that's why Christ established the Priesthood as those who are truly good Priests have the grace of Office to speak with authority. Get some rest, guys!

Christine said...

Everything MartyJo said was so on target that it deserves repeating:

"Martyjo said...

What most good Traditional Catholics seem to be overlooking, I did so myself at first, is that Pope Francis has a very particular devotion to the Blessed Virign and is known to recite 15 decades of her rosary daily. He also has the humility to make the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart if he first accepts this as the will of God.

I know he has kept contact with Fr. Nicholas Gruner over the years, and in a very positive sense in relation to the Message and Secret of Fatima. In fact, he told Fr. Gruner in a letter that there are two churches within the Archdiocese of Buones Aires dedicated to Our Lady of Fatima where the First Saturday devotions take place every month.

Additionally, his titular church in Rome when elected Cardinal was the church of St. Robert Bellarmine whose feast day is May 13, the date of the first apparition of Our Lady at Fatima.

Providence also seems to be at work in the date chosen by the Pope for his inauguration Mass, March 19 the feast of St. Joseph. It is on this date that the SSPX is to be consecrated to St. Joseph.

I'm actually quite bouyed by all these seeming coincidences. It could be that Our Lord will turn this election on the liberals. A Pope who is humble and devoted to Our Lady will surely not become a cause of further pain for the Church. Maybe this is the answer to that rosary crusade the SSPX and others offered for the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary last year, which at first appeared to go unanswered. We'll see! But let us not forget that, despite his past, Pope Francis now has the assistance of the Holy Ghost in a particular way. The grace of his Pontifical office may well change him. Wouldn't it be something if he turned out to be the Pope who ushers in the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary? Fr. Gruner seems to believe that there is a prophecy concerning this. I hope he's right."

Christine said...

Joan: The story about his snub of Cdl Law is probably untrue, and a mistranslation of the Italian journalist's musings. The video of his receiving all the cardinals at the audience the next day shows that he was just as cordial and affectionate toward Cdl Law as toward the others--highly unlikely if he had "banned" him the day before.

At 1:45:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9azuAbleRCg