Rorate Caeli

Yikes! Paul?...

Fumata nera... no conclusive vote after three ballots.
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And, from our friends at Fratres in Unum (sidebar), could we expect a Paul VII?

Globo – With the ongoing conclave in the Vatican, the expectation of the family of Card. Odilo Scherer grows as much as the matter becomes the only one mentioned in he streets of Toledo, western Paraná [state]. Though cautious about the election that will choose the new Pope, the siblings of the Brazilian Cardinal, who is among the front-runners, already guess the name that Odilo will choose if he is elected. "If it happens, it's Paul," bets brother Lotario Scherer.

13 comments:

Conchúr said...

RTE in Ireland reported last night that an obscure Italian news dispatch was stating that between the first and second ballots Scherer lost the votes of Sandri, Bergoglio and Carrera.

Crouchback said...

Couldn't he chose something a little more traditional like .....Pele I.......

Popes now adays.......

David of Glasgow said...

RTE in Ireland reported last night that an obscure Italian news dispatch was stating that between the first and second ballots Scherer lost the votes of Sandri, Bergoglio and Carrera.

Erm, aren't the votes meant to be entirely secret? I mean under the pain of excommunication.

Introitus said...

330 ionLCDHow does Scherer have any real chance? He was caught in an open campaign for the Papacy. That should have been enough to turn the college against him.

J.G. Ratkaj said...

"Erm, aren't the votes meant to be entirely secret?"

Sources allow us to reconstruct most part of the voting process in the papal elections of at least the last 200 years. Also after this conclave.

New Catholic said...

Not during the Conclave, unless some Cardinals are jumping up and down sending messages to Italian journalists in Morse code.

Athelstane said...

Yes, I find any reports coming out during the conclave to be fantasy. The cardinals are sealed off, and electronic jamming devices are in place - powerful ones, in fact, such that even people living nearby have complained that their internet connection does not work.

Now, once a conclave is over - there's usually enough information that seeps out from cardinals, directly or indirectly, that one can reconstruct much of what happened in a conclave. But we aren't there yet.

Prof. Basto said...

All this is most undignified, in my opinion. The behaviour of the prelate's family included.

Nevertheless, Cardinals who desired the Papacy have obtained it before. I think first of Rodrigo Borgia, who became Alexander VI; Giuliano dalla Rovere, Julius II, but also Popes like Pius II, Aeneas Sylvio Piccolomini, etc.

What comforts me at this point is the fumata nera. One or two more of those and the Scherer candidacy is toast.

Perhaps Scherer will have managed to block the Scola option. During the pre-conclave, Scola was rumored to be supported by a majority of the Cardinals, and Scherer by a strong minority.

At this point, I'm hoping either for a breaktrough that allows Scola to secure the Papacy, or for a deadlock that allows for the rise of a good third force, such as Cardinal Ranjith.

But I have the feeling that, if the search for a different option than Scola among the Ratzingerians emerge, then it probably won't be an organized shift of the Scola supporters to the new candidate. Several names will probably emerge, and it will take some time for consensus to build arround one single name, and a name that will need to be also acceptable to at least a portion of the Scherer supporters, in order to secure the 2/3 majority.

Cardinal Wuerl's Cobbler said...

Is a longer conclave better from a traditionalist perspective?

Very interesting.

If the conclave is short, this could point to (a) one of the "favorites" being elected; (b) a moderate candidate was quickly agreed to by the various "factions" in the college of cardinal electors. Both of these options don't seem particularly compelling to me from a trad perspective.

If the conclave runs longer, this could point to (a) a more polarizing cardinal needing sufficient time to gain enough votes, especially from the large progressive portion of cardinal electors (b) a compromise candidate is needed to break the deadlock.

Perhaps my summary above is naive and overly-simplistic. But, if valid, it certainly suggests that a long conclave is better for us trads, with the exception of Scola being chosen quickly (which might not be seen as a total failure from a trad perspective). This is where Pope Benedict's stipulation that all of the cardinal electors must rally behind one of the final 2 candidates until a Pope is chosen is key (no pun intended for a con-clave). I do not think the progessives have enough votes for a "progressive" Pope. The question would then be can the more traditional of the final 2 candidates obtain enough votes to be elected Pope.

...I realize that the reality will be much more multi-faceted than this; I guess I am just wondering out loud if a longer conclave is better for traditionalists or not.

Gregory said...

Apart from anything else, to have "reported" last night what had happened "between the first and second ballots" would have required some aspect of time travel.

justin said...

There was only 1 ballot last night. How could Scherer have lost votes last in the 2nd ballot last night?

Too much punditry from the mainstream media. They would never presume to tell other religions like Anglicanism, or Orthodoxy who they should choose for their presiding bishop or Orthodox Patriarch, but seem to feel free to pontificate on the Catholic Church.

Brother Juniper said...

Gregory said...
Apart from anything else, to have "reported" last night what had happened "between the first and second ballots" would have required some aspect of time travel

Or existence beyond time and space, transcendent to the universe.

justin said...
the mainstream media...would never presume to tell other religions...

Another backhanded compliment? More is at "steak" (sorry, that's what I gave up for Lent) here.


Matt said...

Yea! Justin's back. It's been a while. :-)